Grichuk to the Rockies

[Dokken]

Grrrrr.....

 

Cat got your tongue or are you trying to avoid saying something that will get you another 'slap on the wrist' 24 hr ban?

Whatever.............

[Grant77]

Cat got your tongue or are you trying to avoid saying something that will get you another 'slap on the wrist' 24 hr ban?

Whatever.............

 

Grrr....

[Spanky99]

Cat got your tongue or are you trying to avoid saying something that will get you another 'slap on the wrist' 24 hr ban?

Whatever.............

 

Grrrrr......

[John_Havok]

Will you guys just f*** and get it over with?

[connorp]

Spanky is catching

[JFD]

Grich is a steaming pile

[Terminator]

Grichuk was a negative asset. Even if Tilapia ends up sucking ass (and he probably will) we can just cut bait with him (get it!?) and we'll save money on Grichuk's deal which is about all we could have hope for in a trade involving him anyway.

[Spanky99]

Will you guys just f*** and get it over with?

 

lol

[BigCecil]

Grichuk was a negative asset. Even if Tilapia ends up sucking ass (and he probably will) we can just cut bait with him (get it!?) and we'll save money on Grichuk's deal which is about all we could have hope for in a trade involving him anyway.

 

He was last year. Little bit of sellers remorse going on with Tapia's horrible start. I cant stand him already. Like at least play D well! My reaction with this deal at the time was...out of the frying pan into the fire.

 

Did we really save money net net? I think we had to send $9mm over with Randal. Maybe a few mill next year. Not nothing I guess. And ya I get it ba dump ba lol

[jaysblue]

Grichuk was a negative asset. Even if Tilapia ends up sucking ass (and he probably will) we can just cut bait with him (get it!?) and we'll save money on Grichuk's deal which is about all we could have hope for in a trade involving him anyway.

 

I never understood why the Jays gave Grichuk that 5 year deal to begin with. I know some prominent board members on here were saying it was a good deal at the time...

[Deadpool]

I never understood why the Jays gave Grichuk that 5 year deal to begin with. I know some prominent board members on here were saying it was a good deal at the time...

 

It was a worthwhile risk, he'd put up ~8 WAR in the previous 4 seasons, and was still pretty young. If he'd continued on a ~2 WAR/season pace the contract would have been solid. In the grand scheme of things, $10M/year isn't going to kill any team, but he obviously ended up not even being worth that.

[Stangstag]

It was a worthwhile risk, he'd put up ~8 WAR in the previous 4 seasons, and was still pretty young. If he'd continued on a ~2 WAR/season pace the contract would have been solid. In the grand scheme of things, $10M/year isn't going to kill any team, but he obviously ended up not even being worth that.

 

It was like the first big contract/extension the new front office gave out. They had mentioned it was about setting the tone that they’re willing to spend money or something.

[max silver]

It was a worthwhile risk, he'd put up ~8 WAR in the previous 4 seasons, and was still pretty young. If he'd continued on a ~2 WAR/season pace the contract would have been solid. In the grand scheme of things, $10M/year isn't going to kill any team, but he obviously ended up not even being worth that.

 

It was a completely unnecessary risk as Grichuk had several years of control remaining at the time. There's really no reason to lock up 2 win players early like this anyway, these types aren't particularly hard to attain. I don't lose sleep over it as the contract wasn't so onerous that it really prevented the club from acquiring more assets, but hopefully this served as a lesson learned for the front office.

[BigCecil]

It was like the first big contract/extension the new front office gave out. They had mentioned it was about setting the tone that they’re willing to spend money or something.

 

Thats an accurate paraphrase of what they said. Willing to spend money on what I thought was an unnecessary risk is not a great tone. Extrapolating that, Roark was to set a tone that they would sign FA starters like Gausman. Just sign them. No need to make bad investments to set a tone. Overall I think the FA has done a good job. Everyone has misses. Not ready to put the statue up just yet.

[Stangstag]

Thats an accurate paraphrase of what they said. Willing to spend money on what I thought was an unnecessary risk is not a great tone. Extrapolating that, Roark was to set a tone that they would sign FA starters like Gausman. Just sign them. No need to make bad investments to set a tone. Overall I think the FA has done a good job. Everyone has misses. Not ready to put the statue up just yet.

 

Yeah we’ll see how these new big deals go with guys like Springer/Gausman/Berrios.

 

Ryu deal looks pretty bad if he pitches poorly again this year.

 

And then we’ll have to see what they do with extensions to guys like Teo/Bo/Vlad/Lourdes

 

The next 2-3 years will be extremely important

[Spanky99]

Yeah we’ll see how these new big deals go with guys like Springer/Gausman/Berrios.

 

Ryu deal looks pretty bad if he pitches poorly again this year.

 

And then we’ll have to see what they do with extensions to guys like Teo/Bo/Vlad/Lourdes

 

The next 2-3 years will be extremely important

 

Ryu deal doesn't look bad if he meets projections. 4.4 WAR in 220+ innings is fine.

Edited April 14, 2022 by Spanky99

[jaysblue]

It was a worthwhile risk, he'd put up ~8 WAR in the previous 4 seasons, and was still pretty young. If he'd continued on a ~2 WAR/season pace the contract would have been solid. In the grand scheme of things, $10M/year isn't going to kill any team, but he obviously ended up not even being worth that.

 

Not really a worthwhile risk. Grichuk was under club control still, so there was no need to offer him an extension. Offensively, he was a one-dimensional player (all power, no patience at the plate). Regardless, it didn't kill the front office from making other significant moves later on, though even as much as I liked Grichuk for his power potential, I even still questioned the extension.

[xposbrad]

Ryu deal doesn't look bad if he meets projections. 4.4 WAR in 220+ innings is fine.

 

Ryu deal is pretty bad. They could have used that money somewhere else.

[Jimcanuck]

Not really gonna second guess / monday morning quarterback anything this front office does. Grichuk just crashed through his perceived floor.

[Spanky99]

Ryu deal is pretty bad. They could have used that money somewhere else.

 

K.....

[Key22]

I think the Jays brass was looking at Grichuck as a possible next Jose Bautista potential with a decent floor where he would at least live up to the contract (or down to it) but with possible big upside - At the time he was clubbing some moon shot home runs. He's athletic and played a more than respectable outfield. They gambled and they lost.

 

The only concern to me with any contract is if you get it wrong it kills what else you can do. Ray is the example - if they weren't spending the money on Ryu - they may have been able to resign Ray and now our rotation would look fantastic.

 

But Ryu looks pretty bad right now - hopefully he can turn it around but it doesn't look too good. OTOH - Ryu was also a statement signing as well that showed Boras and others that the Jays were willing to spend. But it appears the entire rest of baseball was correct about not offering 4 years to Ryu - if we were stuck with him for this year only you could dump him but it's tough to do that with another 20 million next year. Maybe we can make him a 3 inning pitcher - he basically is a once through the order pitcher at this point.

[gruber92]

Shatkins had some bad misses, but that goes with any front office. The Shatkins regime is good at drafting / IFA signings. Other than that, there's really not much to be desired, average at best.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Shatkins had some bad misses, but that goes with any front office. The Shatkins regime is good at drafting / IFA signings. Other than that, there's really not much to be desired, average at best.

 

What about the 6.7 fWAR they plucked out of thin air for the rotation last year and gave up nothing to get it?

 

How about the multiple time silver slugger they have out in RF and batting clean upthat they gave up nothing to get?

 

I'd say for the most part they have been pretty good at trades too.

[King]

What about the 6.7 fWAR they plucked out of thin air for the rotation last year and gave up nothing to get it?

 

How about the multiple time silver slugger they have out in RF and batting clean upthat they gave up nothing to get?

 

I'd say for the most part they have been pretty good at trades too.

 

The Atkins haters have to be discrete these days.

[Spanky99]

Shatkins had some bad misses, but that goes with any front office. The Shatkins regime is good at drafting / IFA signings. Other than that, there's really not much to be desired, average at best.

 

lulz

[connorp]

How long will they jog Blackmon’s corpse out there? Gri > Blackmon looks like

[connorp]

Been a long time I took a chance on Blackmon in the initial LOD draft and he helped reward me with a title in short order. Still brings a tear to my eye

[Laika]

What about the 6.7 fWAR they plucked out of thin air for the rotation last year and gave up nothing to get it?

 

How about the multiple time silver slugger they have out in RF and batting clean upthat they gave up nothing to get?

 

I'd say for the most part they have been pretty good at trades too.

 

Even just some of the little trades like getting this Espinal guy for Steve Pearce...

[max silver]

At a glance it looks like Grichuk is off to a decent start with the Rockies as he's presently rocking a .369 WOBA. This looks to be largely undeserved as his xWOBA is only .308. Upon further inspection though it appears as though the Rockies have basically turned him into a right handed version of Raimel Tapia. Each of Grichuk and Tapia have ground ball percentages of over 70% so far with negative launch angles. Grichuk has managed to lower his strikeout rate early on to an impressive 12%, but he's seen a corresponding decrease in his exit velocity and hard hit rates as each are by far the worst of his career.

[Terminator]

They have taken some gambles with giving mid tier money out to average players that they think they can get to perform. Grichuk, Kendrys Morales, Tanner Roark, Jaime Garcia, etc. Kikuchi might be another name to add to add to that list in time but we shall see.

 

But on the other hand they have hit on some of these signings big time. Semien and Ray being the prime examples.

 

The book is still out on the bigger deals they've done. Ryu looks real iffy right now but he was good enough in his first two years that the deal won't be a total disaster. Then there is Springer who looks great but had a frustrating year last year. If he can stay healthy the next 2 or 3 seasons that one should be fine as well.