Grichuk to the Rockies

[Stangstag]

I think his hair is dope as f***, and I still worry that Montoyo is going to have him leading off 4 times a week.

 

Though, I am cautiously optimistic that getting him away from the Rockies could turn him into something that's about on par with Grichuk.

 

Idk, could just be another Derek Fisher move. We were spouting the same BS about him too

[Jays24]

Yes, that's why I said it's coachable, LGJ has gotten much better for that reason, plus reps.

 

You were saying? Lol

[Deadpool]

You were saying? Lol

 

That was mostly on Smith. Smith is the CF, he's got to direct traffic out there.

[Jonn]

I feel people are getting overly stressed by a 4th Outfielder. If one of our main Outfielders gets hurt it will suck regardless. Grichuk was not a good player. They tinkered with his swing and approach for 3 years. It didn’t work. He actually got worse. Let them get Taipa in and see what they can do with him. They can start with changing his abysmal launch angle and go from there.

[Spanky99]

You were saying? Lol

 

What happened?

[max silver]

Gurriel dropped a ball hit out to left center field. He and Mallex Smith got their signals crossed and almost collided, this one is likely more on the center fielder for not taking charge in the first place.

[Spanky99]

Oh, so nothing to see here. Jays24's dumn!

[max silver]

Idk, could just be another Derek Fisher move. We were spouting the same BS about him too

 

Fisher had legit potential with the bat but he might be the worst Blue Jays outfielder I can recall, especially after he took the ball to the face.

[bzapple]

Oh, so nothing to see here. Jays24's dumn!

 

Haven't you heard? One specific play in a spring training game completely changes a player's outlook.

[Stangstag]

That was mostly on Smith. Smith is the CF, he's got to direct traffic out there.

 

Wasn’t Smith, it was Nathan Lukes

[Jays24]

I dunno... seems like a safe bet that Gurriel still doesn't know how to run routes at a major league level. Y’all made fun of me last year when I said Biggio would suck at 3B so whatever lol.

[jaysguy44]

I dunno... seems like a safe bet that Gurriel still doesn't know how to run routes at a major league level. Y’all made fun of me last year when I said Biggio would suck at 3B so whatever lol.

You just know it all, don't ya?

[max silver]

I dunno... seems like a safe bet that Gurriel still doesn't know how to run routes at a major league level. Y’all made fun of me last year when I said Biggio would suck at 3B so whatever lol.

 

Gurriel isn't ever likely to be a legitimate gold glove candidate due to the misreads but you can't deny he improved leaps and bounds over the course of last season to the point where he isn't a liability in the outfield any more. Given better health and more reps Biggio certainly would have been able to do the same at third.

[Jays24]

You just know it all, don't ya?

 

Definitely not. Just see a particular issue that I don't think will be improved upon but I can be wrong obviously. Just my opinion.

[Dokken]

I think his hair is dope as f***, and I still worry that Montoyo is going to have him leading off 4 times a week.

 

Though, I am cautiously optimistic that getting him away from the Rockies could turn him into something that's about on par with Grichuk.

 

Seriously!!!??? Grichuk had 3.0 fWAR in 2015, followed by 1.5, 2.2 and 2.1 fWAR in the following 3 seasons. The guy always had the obvious ability but could never put it together consistently. Tapia has shown NOTHING! I don't understand why all you fWAR fans are not panning this acquisition as the apparent non-impact/salary dump move that it is. They couldn't even unload all of Grichuk's salary in this miserable deal. Was it announced how much money the Jays sent along with Grichuk to Denver?

[Dokken]

This has to be a joke correct? It seems nearly impossible for a person to respond like this to an ass-whupping in a serious fashion. You repeatedly stated that Tapia is a bad baserunner, the only fabrications occurring here are you denying what you said after being proven to be completely incorrect.

 

Yes the one area where Tapia appears to be somewhat valuable is in baserunning. By Fangraphs numbers (I assume still the gold standard in this group), his overall Base running rating is +10.2 over 1425 PA. Unfortunately his cumulative offensive and defensive rankings are -30.2 and -14.9. with an overall fWAR of a measly +0.2. By comparison, even Zeke had 2.4 fWAR over 1305 PA worth of playing time.

 

ETA: I remember being admonished for stating that Zeke was a 'decent' player. And I was 'schooled' that 0 fWAR means a player is no better than any nameless 'replacement' from AAA. So why are some now trying to make silk out of a sow's ear with 0.2 fWAR over 439 games and 1400+ PA and being paid $4M ???

Edited March 31, 2022 by Dokken

[L54]

Seriously!!!??? Grichuk had 3.0 fWAR in 2015, followed by 1.5, 2.2 and 2.1 fWAR in the following 3 seasons. The guy always had the obvious ability but could never put it together consistently. Tapia has shown NOTHING! I don't understand why all you fWAR fans are not panning this acquisition as the apparent non-impact/salary dump move that it is. They couldn't even unload all of Grichuk's salary in this miserable deal. Was it announced how much money the Jays sent along with Grichuk to Denver?

 

Money is basically a wash this year and next year they’ll save like 5M if they non tender Tapia.

 

I agree with you. This was a move to save whatever cost on Grichuk they could and to remove him from the bench in Toronto. I see zero upside in Tapia.

[Deadpool]

Seriously!!!??? Grichuk had 3.0 fWAR in 2015, followed by 1.5, 2.2 and 2.1 fWAR in the following 3 seasons. The guy always had the obvious ability but could never put it together consistently. Tapia has shown NOTHING! I don't understand why all you fWAR fans are not panning this acquisition as the apparent non-impact/salary dump move that it is. They couldn't even unload all of Grichuk's salary in this miserable deal. Was it announced how much money the Jays sent along with Grichuk to Denver?

 

If you think a 28 year old with obvious physical talent putting up a 3.0 WAR season out of nowhere after a change in mechanics or something just "clicking" is just completely out of the realm of possibility then like... Welcome to your first day watching baseball, I hope you enjoy it!

Edited March 31, 2022 by Deadpool

[L54]

Bring back Ryan Goins and let’s see if something just “clicks” and he becomes a three win player.

[wamco]

I think I would have rather held onto grichuk rather than save 5m.

 

I’m left feeling we were gonna make one more upgrade before opening day.

 

Expanded playoff field should result in less trade partners/sellers at the deadline.

 

I think our Bp is underrated but I would have taken a power arm there and punted borucki and Phelps although that would impede the aaa-mlb reliever shuttle at least until merryweather gets hurt.

[Olerud363]

If you think a 28 year old with obvious physical talent putting up a 3.0 WAR season out of nowhere after a change in mechanics or something just "clicking" is just completely out of the realm of possibility then like... Welcome to your first day watching baseball, I hope you enjoy it!

 

I think Dokken was bitter about being called out for having faith in Eziquiel Cabrera. I can't remember the nature of the conversation however the situation is different. Cabrera somehow got regular time in the playoff hunt and playoffs in 2016 despite a bad season. I can't see that happening with Tapia.

 

Tapia will be fighting it out with Bird, Kirk, Biggio, Espinal, Groshans, Moreno. They won't just stick Tapia in the outfield if he sucks. If Tapia sucks they'll reconfigure things a bit sending Biggio or Espinal to the outfield when they need an extra one, DHing someone else hot.

 

So it's not like he'll be handed 350 plate appearances and key playoff at bats even if he sucks, which was the problem with Cabrera. It wasn't that he "couldn't" break out, it was that he "didn't" break out, but because of 0 depth he was forced to play.

[Laika]

Grichuk was miserable here and probably would not have performed to his talent. Tapia fits the roster better than him for a couple reasons.

 

It's one of those trades that is a slight downgrade ON PAPER but perhaps not IN REALITY.

 

The prospect is also Jose Altuve mixed with Alejandro Kirk so you are all missing the point.

[The Cats Ass]

Seriously!!!??? Grichuk had 3.0 fWAR in 2015, followed by 1.5, 2.2 and 2.1 fWAR in the following 3 seasons. The guy always had the obvious ability but could never put it together consistently. Tapia has shown NOTHING! I don't understand why all you fWAR fans are not panning this acquisition as the apparent non-impact/salary dump move that it is. They couldn't even unload all of Grichuk's salary in this miserable deal. Was it announced how much money the Jays sent along with Grichuk to Denver?

 

Tapia has out fWAR'd Grichuk each of the past 2 seasons. We also got the DSL MVP.

 

His 2.1 fWAR was 4 years ago. Over the past 3 years Dexter Fowler has put up more WAR than Grichuk.

[Laika]

Tapia has out fWAR'd Grichuk each of the past 2 seasons. We also got the DSL MVP.

 

His 2.1 fWAR was 4 years ago. Over the past 3 years Dexter Fowler has put up more WAR than Grichuk.

 

lmao

[The Cats Ass]

lmao

 

I don't get why anyone would be upset over this move. Is it because Grichuk wears high socks? Because if so, don't fear, Tapia also rocks the high socks.

[glory]

Grichuk since 2019:

 

1404 PA, 91 wRC+, 1.4 WAR, .286 OBP

 

It's possible that Tapia is a downgrade here, but Grichuk has basically been a 0.5 WAR player with full time PA's in his last two full seasons and a well below average hitter. If Tapia is even Zeke Carrera 2015-17 (which isn't a high bar), then it's probably a wash on the field, with benefits off the field if Grichuk actually was miserable with a bench role.

[Laika]

I don't get why anyone would be upset over this move. Is it because Grichuk wears high socks? Because if so, don't fear, Tapia also rocks the high socks.

 

Tapia is just very possibly a gross player who hits the ball with a pool noodle, straight into the ground, and then sucks on defense somehow

[The Cats Ass]

Tapia is just very possibly a gross player who hits the ball with a pool noodle, straight into the ground, and then sucks on defense somehow

 

His Max-EV last year was in the 70th percentile, so it's not like he can't hit it with atleast near average power. He just needs to have something other than a negative launch angle.

[Laika]

His Max-EV last year was in the 70th percentile, so it's not like he can't hit it with atleast near average power. He just needs to have something other than a negative launch angle.

 

yes, he was not scouted as a completely powerless slap hitter so it's weird that being in COORS of all places saw him develop into that approach. he needs to just try to barrel balls like a normal hitter.

 

maybe Espinal can workout with him

[The Cats Ass]

yes, he was not scouted as a completely powerless slap hitter so it's weird that being in COORS of all places saw him develop into that approach. he needs to just try to barrel balls like a normal hitter.

 

maybe Espinal can workout with him

 

Or anyone that's not the Rockies.