Around Baseball 2022

[John_Havok]

Jays (and every team in baseball) will be getting about $2.325M from the Mets competitive balance tax penalties. And people make a big deal about Bobby Bonilla day (which I still say was a good deal for the Mets)

 

Not every team. Any team that is also over the CBT in 2023 won’t get anything.

[Jimcanuck]

Cohen so badly wants a championship. Gonna be interesting what he does when Verlander falls off a cliff, Senga is Kikuchi 2.0, Nimmo and Quintana get hurt again, Diaz regresses

 

Will he double down or jump out the window?

[Stangstag]

Cohen so badly wants a championship. Gonna be interesting what he does when Verlander falls off a cliff, Senga is Kikuchi 2.0, Nimmo and Quintana get hurt again, Diaz regresses

 

Will he double down or jump out the window?

 

2 scenarios:

 

1. The Mets get lucky and win the WS, in which case the crazy spending stops but they still have the top payroll in the league. Cohen tries to sell the Mets since he’s done playing with his shiny new toy.

 

2. The Mets do not win any championships because they’re a poorly built team. Cohen bitches and complains on Twitter that MLB is corrupt. Reveals the entire ball-manipulation scandal. Goes full scorched earth throwing a mega tantrum on Twitter. Says baseball is stupid anyways and he doesn’t care.

[Jimcanuck]

No one on the AL East has spent much at all on free agents compared to other divisions

 

Other than Judge just to keep him

 

Exactly, and the Yankees have made themselves worse with that ridiculous mega contract

[Horses Fart]

Love when people are like f*** I’d love Senga and then when he’s gone to the Mets it’s like f*** Senga I didn’t want that scrub anyways. Bahahahah. We have to accept that this off season is what it is.

[max silver]

The team isn’t even that good lol

 

They just finished a season where they won 101 games. Teams that aren't even that good don't tend to win 100+ games in baseball.

[Deadpool]

I hope Senga crashes and burns

 

I hope he has a Gyroball...

[Eat My Shatkins]

Love when people are like f*** I’d love Senga and then when he’s gone to the Mets it’s like f*** Senga I didn’t want that scrub anyways. Bahahahah. We have to accept that this off season is what it is.

 

I said I wanted Senga on the Jays, and now that he signed somewhere else I also said f*** him, but I did not change my tune and say I never wanted him anyways.

[Terminator]

They just finished a season where they won 101 games. Teams that aren't even that good don't tend to win 100+ games in baseball.

 

Well to clarify they are good but they aren’t 400 million dollars on player salaries plus tax good. Not the best team in baseball and probably not even the best team in the division.

[Terminator]

Like we can compete against the billionaire Mets

 

 

Doesn’t seem like money was the biggest issue although I’m sure it was a factor. Seems like he just was really that interested in Toronto itself is how I am reading into it. Is there something about being in Canada that causes hesitancy for Japanese players? We’ve obviously had some over the years including Kikuchi but it seems like we’ve never been in on any of them that are posted and/or come directly over.

[Stangstag]

Doesn’t seem like money was the biggest issue although I’m sure it was a factor. Seems like he just was really that interested in Toronto itself is how I am reading into it. Is there something about being in Canada that causes hesitancy for Japanese players? We’ve obviously had some over the years including Kikuchi but it seems like we’ve never been in on any of them that are posted and/or come directly over.

 

Well in the past, the players didn’t choose where they go it was just whichever team paid the highest fee in a blind bid.

 

I think Ohtani was the first to come over in the new system where the player chooses where to go. If I had to guess, its just because LA and New York are bigger and more popular cities that are featured in many American movies/shows. Foreign countries are just more familiar with USA over Canada.

[The Iceman]

Pretty reasonable deal for Senga

 

There is talk Senga might not stick as a SP due to control issues...lots of risk.

 

Check out these lines

1010 IP- 2.77 ERA 1.180 WHIP

or

1089 IP- 2.59 ERA 1.115 WHIP

 

One guy is Senga

The other is a SP/RP for the Jays that isn't too popular in Toronto.

[Jimcanuck]

I said I wanted Senga on the Jays, and now that he signed somewhere else I also said f*** him, but I did not change my tune and say I never wanted him anyways.

 

Who changed tune?

[Eat My Shatkins]

Who changed tune?

 

I didn't see anyone do it but the poster I quoted said that people were changing their tunes about Senga

[Grant77]

From NBC Sports:

 

"The Boston Red Sox addressed their lack of outfield depth by signing Japanese star Masataka Yoshida to a five-year contract on Wednesday. While the move makes sense on paper, it reportedly left several MLB evaluators scratching their heads.

 

Yoshida's contract is worth more than 90 million. On top of that hefty price tag, the Red Sox will pay a 15.4 million posting fee for the Orix Buffaloes of the Nippon Professional Baseball league, bringing the total to approximately 105.4 million.

 

ESPN's Kiley McDaniel reports MLB evaluators are skeptical of Yoshida living up to his contract. Here's an interesting excerpt from McDaniel's column on the Red Sox' acquisition.

 

I sent texts around to a number of scouts and execs explaining what I thought his tools were (high contact, very good approach, average-ish power, limited defensive ability) and asking what I was missing between that scouting report and what the Red Sox paid.

 

"Nothing," replied one international scouting director. "Overpay for me ... too rich imo," from another scouting director. A third exec: "I have no idea." A fourth: "Nothing ... I wish they and him luck." A fifth: "We thought he was worth less than half of what they paid." A sixth added, "I have no words."

 

In total, I spoke to ten sources in the aftermath of the signing and they all had a similar breakdown. They all had some level of appreciation for the player, but thought the Red Sox overpaid by a hefty margin.

 

Not exactly rave reviews."

[Laika]

Lmao this guy is 5’8” and almost 30 wtf is Boston thinking???

[Ehjays]

I didn't see anyone do it but the poster I quoted said that people were changing their tunes about Senga

 

I didn't see it either but when a player signs with a team that is not mine, f*** them!!

[Ehjays]

Lmao this guy is 5’8” and almost 30 wtf is Boston thinking???

 

Not sure what they are thinking but this reporter spoke to 10 evaluators and most evaluators said they overpaid, and not a little, they overpaid by a HEFTY amount. They must be very high on him, or just high.

[Key22]

There is talk Senga might not stick as a SP due to control issues...lots of risk.

 

Check out these lines

1010 IP- 2.77 ERA 1.180 WHIP

or

1089 IP- 2.59 ERA 1.115 WHIP

 

One guy is Senga

The other is a SP/RP for the Jays that isn't too popular in Toronto.

 

Free spending owners can take these risks because if the Mets, Dodgers, Padres, Rangers, Yankees get it wrong and Senga is a complete pile of crap - they can eat the contract and immediately sign another player to a 5 year $100m contract. Teams like Toronto have to get it right - when they sign someone and they stink it up - they can't just replace the player with another big contract. I mean the Jays actually are in better position than most teams - they are sort of in that second tier where they can replace 1-2 players they screw up on. Being very in on Verlander and probably offering him $40m+ a year indicates that.

 

The first tier spenders don't mind signing 11 year contracts to players who may only be worth it for 5-6.

 

The frustrating thing with Kikuchi is the guy clearly has electric stuff - I mean Berrios too - Berrios had some really good outings where he looked completely unhittable last year and Kikuchi was also dominating in spots. And then the next game they would get utterly blasted. If someone can get these guys to regain consistency - our rotation would be pretty awesome. Maybe a new pitching coach - or "another" pitching coach would help. Bring in whoever was his coach in Japan. Hire Minnesota's coach - pay him double.

[BTS]

Free spending owners can take these risks because if the Mets, Dodgers, Padres, Rangers, Yankees get it wrong and Senga is a complete pile of crap - they can eat the contract and immediately sign another player to a 5 year $100m contract. Teams like Toronto have to get it right - when they sign someone and they stink it up - they can't just replace the player with another big contract. I mean the Jays actually are in better position than most teams - they are sort of in that second tier where they can replace 1-2 players they screw up on. Being very in on Verlander and probably offering him $40m+ a year indicates that.

 

The first tier spenders don't mind signing 11 year contracts to players who may only be worth it for 5-6.

 

The frustrating thing with Kikuchi is the guy clearly has electric stuff - I mean Berrios too - Berrios had some really good outings where he looked completely unhittable last year and Kikuchi was also dominating in spots. And then the next game they would get utterly blasted. If someone can get these guys to regain consistency - our rotation would be pretty awesome. Maybe a new pitching coach - or "another" pitching coach would help. Bring in whoever was his coach in Japan. Hire Minnesota's coach - pay him double.

 

Most teams that behave this way (completely recklessly financially) end up doing it for a short period, failing, then firing management and going into a rebuild. We haven't really ever seen a team act the way the Padres or Mets have this offseason and keep it up for an extended period. Maybe the Yankees of 15-20 years ago?

 

I think the idea that Texas, Philly, SD, NYM etc... have all decided at the same time that money doesn't matter and they're going to keep the party going perpetually with 50-100M in dead weight is a bit ridiculous. Maybe Cohen will. Most will go into a full rebuild.

[Dick_Pole]

I found this video mildly interesting.

 

 

But I didn't find it worthy of posting on here until the nice surprise at the very end that I'm sure everyone here will appreciate

[L54]

I found this video mildly interesting.

 

 

But I didn't find it worthy of posting on here until the nice surprise at the very end that I'm sure everyone here will appreciate

 

Woah she’s hot

[connorp]

Most teams that behave this way (completely recklessly financially) end up doing it for a short period, failing, then firing management and going into a rebuild. We haven't really ever seen a team act the way the Padres or Mets have this offseason and keep it up for an extended period. Maybe the Yankees of 15-20 years ago?

 

I think the idea that Texas, Philly, SD, NYM etc... have all decided at the same time that money doesn't matter and they're going to keep the party going perpetually with 50-100M in dead weight is a bit ridiculous. Maybe Cohen will. Most will go into a full rebuild.

 

You need to think a little deeper than this though. The owners seem very committed. Sure, if the teams suck and fade away, and playoffs are no longer sustainable, you would retool or rebuild. But there’s no harm in trying because whenever they’re ready to roll, the money will be there. Dead weight isn’t going to stop anything.

 

To a team like the Jays, what’s on the books can dictate everything.

 

There’s little to lose in going for it if you’re willing to take on the financial risk. They’re not dumb bro.

[connorp]

As I said the other day, what can change is ownership. We saw it in NY and Bos.

[BTS]

You need to think a little deeper than this though. The owners seem very committed. Sure, if the teams suck and fade away, and playoffs are no longer sustainable, you would retool or rebuild. But there’s no harm in trying because whenever they’re ready to roll, the money will be there. Dead weight isn’t going to stop anything.

 

To a team like the Jays, what’s on the books can dictate everything.

 

There’s little to lose in going for it if you’re willing to take on the financial risk. They’re not dumb bro.

 

lol, every owner who has ever greenlit reckless spending has seemed very committed at the time. And then they weren't anymore. Most of the teams you're praising right now are going to be bad in a couple of years. Actually, Texas is probably going to be bad in 2023.

[connorp]

lol, every owner who has ever greenlit reckless spending has seemed very committed at the time. And then they weren't anymore. Most of the teams you're praising right now are going to be bad in a couple of years. Actually, Texas is probably going to be bad in 2023.

 

Owners have seen what, 400%-500% increase in franchise value the last 10 years. The good teams more. Just because generating excitement for the Jays didn’t work because ownership was only willing to dip their toe in the water one year, doesn’t mean you should begrudge a franchise like SD, who has probably greatly increased the value of the team with the moves they’ve made

[connorp]

It comes down to a team like the Jays wants to run it as a business. Other owners just treat it as a trophy asset. Like do you want to go to the yacht club is you’re a mega billionaire and have your snooty friends troll you that the Padres suck

[BTS]

Owners have seen what, 400%-500% increase in franchise value the last 10 years. The good teams more. Just because generating excitement for the Jays didn’t work because ownership was only willing to dip their toe in the water one year, doesn’t mean you should begrudge a franchise like SD, who has probably greatly increased the value of the team with the moves they’ve made

 

Let's go back a decade. Mike Illitch is a smart man. Tigers franchise value has increased a lot in recent years and Illitch wants to win. Dombrowski knows what he's doing, and they'll just keep spending to overcome the dead years on all of those contracts. Illitch can afford it. This is a trophy asset for him.

 

Fast forward to the present and the Tigers are on a run of 8 straight non-playoff years, still trying to recover from the damage Dombrowski and Illitch did for an exciting 4-year stretch of baseball. This is going to be the fate of Texas and Philly. Probably SD. Maybe the Mets.

[connorp]

Let's go back a decade. Mike Illitch is a smart man. Tigers franchise value has increased a lot in recent years and Illitch wants to win. Dombrowski knows what he's doing, and they'll just keep spending to overcome the dead years on all of those contracts. Illitch can afford it. This is a trophy asset for him.

 

Fast forward to the present and the Tigers are on a run of 8 straight non-playoff years, still trying to recover from the damage Dombrowski and Illitch did for an exciting 4-year stretch of baseball. This is going to be the fate of Texas and Philly. Probably SD. Maybe the Mets.

 

Listen, there’s no debate money doesn’t always buy you a good team. But like what good prospects did Detroit trade that are very regrettable? What damage was done trying? What happened was they made all the wrong moves and wasted time. If some of these prospects work out for them, I’m sure they’ll be spending again.

 

They blew a nut and will be ready to go when it’s time I’m sure

[connorp]

If the SD players don’t work out over the next 3-4 years, yes you might go into a retooling instead of just buying more and more.. but then when the base is there, Round 2