Around Baseball 2022

[connorp]

Carlos Baerga apparently reporting that Justin Verlander to the Mets is close to being done: $86.8M for 2 years with a mutual option for a third year.

 

He’ll sign right after Freddy is a Jay

[L54]

There’s no question Curt Schilling belongs in the HOF

[Spanky__99]

Speaking of all that, when will they wrap up the Bauer decision? It’ll be interesting who signs him once LAD inevitably cuts him. Red Sox? Fans would accept him as long as he’s good

 

He's been accused by a third woman now, he lost his last lawsuit, he ain't playing again.

[connorp]

He's been accused by a third woman now, he lost his last lawsuit, he ain't playing again.

 

I don’t think there’s any sort of delay to the process. The lawsuits are just defamation claims. They were for public opinion more then anything.

 

Anyways, once LAD releases him, he plays at league Min. Bauer at league Min will be hard for at least a team or two to pass up. What kind of morals do the Angels have? That may be a fit

[Ehjays]

Carlos Baerga apparently reporting that Justin Verlander to the Mets is close to being done: $86.8M for 2 years with a mutual option for a third year.

 

[wamco]

Supposedly still in on Verlander so maybe we have 40m to spend instead of the 30m suspected. If so: sign Verlander or diversify the spending ?

[Ehjays]

 

 

 

Big question is, what team will MLB decide goes on his plaque? You know it wont be the Jays

[wamco]

I’d say 50/50 jays/ATL before asking his preference.

[wamco]

See chipper couldn’t make the vote due to illness? That would be his luck. Miss out by one vote and his teammate not cast a vote

 

. I gotta assume a Covid situation but you’d think you could FaceTime chipper in, no?

[Spanky__99]

This is insane...

 

Sun, December 4, 2022 at 7:19 PM

 

 

England forward Raheem Sterling is taking time away from the World Cup after armed intruders broke into his home, per the Guardian.

 

Sterling missed Sunday's win over Senegal, and it's unclear if he will be available when England takes on France in the semifinal Saturday, England manager Gareth Southgate said.

 

England will not rush Sterling back. The team will give him "as much time as he needs," per Southgate. Sterling left the club so he could return home to be with his family. Southgate fully agreed with that decision, according to the Guardian.

 

"It’s a situation that he needs to be with his family to deal with. I don’t want to put him under any pressure with this. Sometimes football isn’t the most important thing and family has to come first.”

 

Sterling has three young children.

 

English captain Harry Kane said Sterling's absence was a "private matter," and said the team was sending Sterling "our best wishes and hope to see him as soon as possible.”

 

Sterling notched a goal and an assist during England's 6-2 win over Iran in the group stage.

[Deadpool]

That’s against the American core of impartiality. Shouldn’t be

 

The what?

[Laika]

The what?

 

I'm guessing he just means first amendment stuff

[Deadpool]

I'm guessing he just means first amendment stuff

 

Yeah, that tracks with what I'd expect that cadre to understand about it...

[Jimcanuck]

Gambling, OK. PEDS, sure. Violence, sexual assault, absolutely.

 

But having opinions on the extreme ends of the scale? That's not disqualifying IMO. The problem is not his opinions, its that his opinions are often targeted at certain demographics that are potential ticket buyers. Bad for business, MLB doesn't want any part of Schilling representing the business of MLB.

[Masterbather]

Bonds, Clemens and Schilling should all be in. Absolutely ridiculous.

[connorp]

The what?

 

I was referring to when he said “f*** around and see what happens”… which implies (likely accurately) journalists were vindictive about a Twitter post.. I said that shouldn’t be.

[Jimcanuck]

I was referring to when he said “f*** around and see what happens”… which implies (likely accurately) journalists were vindictive about a Twitter post.. I said that shouldn’t be.

 

You are saying that Schilling advocating for violence against journalists impacted his HOF chances? I would say he has only himself to blame. Let's not blame the victim, c-pee.

[connorp]

Yeah, that tracks with what I'd expect that cadre to understand about it...

 

“Your” side picks and chooses when first amendment should apply and when it shouldn’t

[connorp]

You are saying that Schilling advocating for violence against journalists impacted his HOF chances? I would say he has only himself to blame. Let's not blame the victim, c-pee.

 

You just talked out of both sides of your mouth in the last post. Should he be in, or not? We understand why he’s not getting in

 

When is woke mob justice warranted?

[Jimcanuck]

You just talked out of both sides of your mouth in the last post. Should he be in, or not? We understand why he’s not getting in

 

It's not disqualifying to have opinions. The only one I know who is disqualified is Pete Rose, although there may be others that are unreported.

 

Schilling has 216 wins and 0 Cy Youngs. There is a portion of the voting bloc that won't vote for him based on accomplishments alone. Now combine the accomplishments (which IMO are HOF worthy, but its the voters opinion that counts) with offensive behaviour and you don't make the cut.

 

More than 300 wins, he's in. No offensive behaviour, he's in. 216 wins and offensive behaviour, it's iffy.

[Dick_Pole]

RE: Schilling

 

His opinions on certain things isn't what should keep him out of the HOF, and I don't think it is. It's the request to be removed from the ballot that his peers are probably taking issue with. Whining like a bitch to try to become a martyr for his causes against "woke" BBWAA members or whatever. I can see players taking it as a slap in the face. Like Laika said, f*** around and find out. So he's kind of deserving of his s***** fate.

 

Besides Schilling, the fact that Clemens and Bonds were completely blackballed "less than 4 votes each" of the 16 - that's something far worse. The HOF process has become such a joke. I can understand sweaty, 300 pound writers keeping those two out on some kind of moral high ground. But the players and execs should be much closer to what really went on behind the scenes and know that what Bonds and Clemens did weren't THAT egregious or out of the ordinary. Maybe they are using them as scapegoats to protect their own asses, I dunno.

 

By 2050 when Bonds, Clemens, Schilling and Pete Rose have all croaked, they'll probably be inducted. MLB just doesn't want to give them the pleasure of being alive to see it happen. But it's going to be a bigger stain on baseball history if these guys are left out. Home run leader, yeah not in the HOF for reasons. Hit leader not in the HOF for reasons. Okay then.

[Carlos Danger]

It's not disqualifying to have opinions. The only one I know who is disqualified is Pete Rose, although there may be others that are unreported.

 

Schilling has 216 wins and 0 Cy Youngs. There is a portion of the voting bloc that won't vote for him based on accomplishments alone. Now combine the accomplishments (which IMO are HOF worthy, but its the voters opinion that counts) with offensive behaviour and you don't make the cut.

 

More than 300 wins, he's in. No offensive behaviour, he's in. 216 wins and offensive behaviour, it's iffy.

 

He was a six-time All-Star, three-time World Series champion, World Series MVP and National League Championship Series MVP. He finished runner-up for the Cy Young Award three times.

 

He played 20 years in the majors and finished with a 3.46 ERA and 3,116 strikeouts. He is one of 19 pitchers to record 3,000 or more strikeouts. The only retired pitchers in the club who are not in the Hall of Fame are Schilling, Clemens and CC Sabathia. Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer are still playing.

 

Curt Schilling earned runs allowed in 19 career postseason starts:

 

2

1

6

0

0

1

1

1

1

2

1

2

6

1

0

0

5

2

1

 

2 ER or fewer in 16 of 19 starts.

 

He is the the best big-game pitcher of my generation an unequivocally belongs in the Hall of Fame.

[Brownie19]

It's not disqualifying to have opinions. The only one I know who is disqualified is Pete Rose, although there may be others that are unreported.

 

Schilling has 216 wins and 0 Cy Youngs. There is a portion of the voting bloc that won't vote for him based on accomplishments alone. Now combine the accomplishments (which IMO are HOF worthy, but its the voters opinion that counts) with offensive behaviour and you don't make the cut.

 

More than 300 wins, he's in. No offensive behaviour, he's in. 216 wins and offensive behaviour, it's iffy.

 

If there are voters who don't think he should get in on results and performance - we need new voters. You can debate WAR all you want, but he's 20th all time for a pitcher so there's no question he's a HOFer by results. Verlander is still behind him in career WAR....let that one sink in as I suspect we all believe Verlander is a surefire 1st ballot HOF pitcher.

[Jimcanuck]

He was a six-time All-Star, three-time World Series champion, World Series MVP and National League Championship Series MVP. He finished runner-up for the Cy Young Award three times.

 

He played 20 years in the majors and finished with a 3.46 ERA and 3,116 strikeouts. He is one of 19 pitchers to record 3,000 or more strikeouts. The only retired pitchers in the club who are not in the Hall of Fame are Schilling, Clemens and CC Sabathia. Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer are still playing.

 

Curt Schilling earned runs allowed in 19 career postseason starts:

 

2

1

6

0

0

1

1

1

1

2

1

2

6

1

0

0

5

2

1

 

2 ER or fewer in 16 of 19 starts.

 

He is the the best big-game pitcher of my generation an unequivocally belongs in the Hall of Fame.

 

Ya i said his numbers are HOF worthy. But for some Jurassic voters, he may not be.

 

If there is a segment of voters than doesn't think his accomplishments are HOF worthy, and another segment that feels he fails in the character aspect, add the two segments together and he falls short.

[connorp]

I think Schilling went off only in the last year he could be on the ballot. So he could’ve been voted in years before that and wasn’t. So him crying wasnt the reason at all. It could, however, have messed up his chances with the Veteran committee, as we just saw

[connorp]

Ya i said his numbers are HOF worthy. But for some Jurassic voters, he may not be.

 

If there is a segment of voters than doesn't think his accomplishments are HOF worthy, and another segment that feels he fails in the character aspect, add the two segments together and he falls short.

 

They’re voting for Harold Baines

[Jimcanuck]

They’re voting for Harold Baines

 

This has nothing to do with Schilling. Each case is judged on its own merits.

[Jimcanuck]

I think Schilling went off only in the last year he could be on the ballot. So he could’ve been voted in years before that and wasn’t. So him crying wasnt the reason at all. It could, however, have messed up his chances with the Veteran committee, as we just saw

 

Schilling had a higher vote percentage that year than Raines did the year before he got elected. If Schilling just shut his pie hole, he likely gets in in the last year of eligibility.

[Laika]

Ya i said his numbers are HOF worthy. But for some Jurassic voters, he may not be.

 

If there is a segment of voters than doesn't think his accomplishments are HOF worthy, and another segment that feels he fails in the character aspect, add the two segments together and he falls short.

 

nah, he would get in on merit

the 3000 strikeouts alone = an impressive enough milestone to overcome some of the other shortcomings like never winning a Cy

[connorp]

Schilling had a higher vote percentage that year than Raines did the year before he got elected. If Schilling just shut his pie hole, he likely gets in in the last year of eligibility.

 

You could argue throwing a hissy fit and brining attention to it that year could’ve gained him votes. He wasn’t getting in