Around Baseball 2022

[Terminator]

I hate the Braves. Lucky World Series win and then they turn around and can't find cash for a Braves legend like Freeman? I hope the Mets and Phillies (also two trash orgs IMO) smash them this year.

[glory]

The Braves are likely better off with 2 years of prime Olson rather than 5-6 years of Freddie's decline, but man, I don't know if it's cheap ownership or AA suddenly only wanting to give out poverty contracts but after winning a title and making a ton of money as a team, Freddie was the guy to overpay if anyone.

[BTS]

All 4 are top 100 to 150 range IMO

 

If I squint I can see Pache turning into prime Pillar, Langeliers becoming a good starting C, and the two pitchers working out. But I can also see this being another JD to Toronto trade where Beane moves an elite player and has nothing to show for it a couple years later. Olson is a top-10 hitter and top-20 player in baseball, and I think there should have been at least one player with elite upside in the return.

[BTS]

I hate the Braves. Lucky World Series win and then they turn around and can't find cash for a Braves legend like Freeman? I hope the Mets and Phillies (also two trash orgs IMO) smash them this year.

 

Also, this. Atlanta isn't TB. Keep your 32-year old future HoF team leader and franchise icon.

[Terminator]

If I squint I can see Pache turning into prime Pillar, Langeliers becoming a good starting C, and the two pitchers working out. But I can also see this being another JD to Toronto trade where Beane moves an elite player and has nothing to show for it a couple years later. Olson is a top-10 hitter and top-20 player in baseball, and I think there should have been at least one player with elite upside in the return.

 

Yeah I agree with you. A couple of 2 WAR guys and some decent pitching prospects. Yawn.

[Ray]

So who gets Freeman

 

[glory]

If I squint I can see Pache turning into prime Pillar, Langeliers becoming a good starting C, and the two pitchers working out. But I can also see this being another JD to Toronto trade where Beane moves an elite player and has nothing to show for it a couple years later. Olson is a top-10 hitter and top-20 player in baseball, and I think there should have been at least one player with elite upside in the return.

 

Agreed, deal doesn't look that great for the A's at all. Maybe one or two of the players turn out ok or good, but certainly not the haul that Passan was hyping it up to be.

[Brownie19]

The Braves are likely better off with 2 years of prime Olson rather than 5-6 years of Freddie's decline, but man, I don't know if it's cheap ownership or AA suddenly only wanting to give out poverty contracts but after winning a title and making a ton of money as a team, Freddie was the guy to overpay if anyone.

 

I also hate seeing the face of the franchise let go due to money, but from an organizational perspective, it probably makes a f*** ton of sense - especially if they use the money they saved (from Freeman to Olson) to sign another impact FA. I could see them using that money to sign a Conforto or another arm or two, which would give them a significantly better shot at winning in 2022 and 2023 than signing Freeman would have.

[L54]

That’s a s***** haul for Olson but classic A’s trade us 4 boring players and you can take the pick of the crop

[jerb]

 

Jesse Rogers

@JesseRogersESPN

 

Probably not a great thing, when Fernando Tatis was asked when his motorcycle accident happened, he responded, 'which one.'

[Slade]

 

I just don't believe we are anywhere near on Freeman other than a call of how much.

[HERPDERP]

Need to keep Tatis away from Vladdy

[Terminator]

With a classic Yankee offseason they could have landed as the favorites in the AL East. Instead they have tied up 106 million in Stanton, Donaldson, Chapman, Britton and Hicks and are scouring the market for mid-tier FAs. You love to see it.

[Grant77]

Mike Trout found out on twitter that the Angels were moving him to the corner outfield. Brilliant move by them.

[Laika]

With a classic Yankee offseason they could have landed as the favorites in the AL East. Instead they have tied up 106 million in Stanton, Donaldson, Chapman, Britton and Hicks and are scouring the market for mid-tier FAs. You love to see it.

 

amazing

 

the yankees really do suck lately

[G-Snarls]

Mike Trout found out on twitter that the Angels were moving him to the corner outfield. Brilliant move by them.

 

They can't get anything right

[jerb]

 

Joel Sherman

@Joelsherman1

 

Source told The Post that the #Braves did not give Freeman or his representatives a heads up that the Olson trade was coming.

[L54]

With a classic Yankee offseason they could have landed as the favorites in the AL East. Instead they have tied up 106 million in Stanton, Donaldson, Chapman, Britton and Hicks and are scouring the market for mid-tier FAs. You love to see it.

 

Yup. Sign FF, pencil Rodon in behind Cole and plant Castellanos in the OF

 

Now they're trading for IKF to shore up SS until a 20 year old is ready

[WONDERBAT]

 

Jesse Rogers

@JesseRogersESPN

 

Probably not a great thing, when Fernando Tatis was asked when his motorcycle accident happened, he responded, 'which one.'

 

Pick vehicle you want just not a motorcycle. That's such a massive blow to the Padres.

[L54]

Anyone else notice a large contingent of Braves fans in Canada between 35-45? Poor bastards

[Laika]

 

Joel Sherman

@Joelsherman1

 

Source told The Post that the #Braves did not give Freeman or his representatives a heads up that the Olson trade was coming.

 

lmao

 

players and their agents will try to milk every penny out of a negotiating team and then get indignant when the team decides to move to plan B?

 

that's just the game, Freddie. you're a free agent; they don't owe you a phone call if they want to trade for someone.

[WONDERBAT]

 

Joel Sherman

@Joelsherman1

 

Source told The Post that the #Braves did not give Freeman or his representatives a heads up that the Olson trade was coming.

 

How do you even give them a heads up? Sounds like a deal that came together quickly.

[Captain Adama]

lmao

 

players and their agents will try to milk every penny out of a negotiating team and then get indignant when the team decides to move to plan B?

 

that's just the game, Freddie. you're a free agent; they don't owe you a phone call if they want to trade for someone.

 

I know, it's such a ridiculous concept that an independent worker is owed a courtesy call for a time sensitive issue. He's not even employed by them anymore.

[thatoneguy]

Suzuki to the Padres?

[Terminator]

Yeah I mean it's not like Freeman has been acting all that loyal to the organization either. Testing the FA waters is one thing, but this goes well beyond that. I still think the Braves should have tried harder to bring him back but he wasn't exactly begging to return.

[metafour]

That’s a s***** haul for Olson but classic A’s trade us 4 boring players and you can take the pick of the crop

 

What makes this deal s***** for the A's?

 

All four guys they got back are legit prospects. Pache's star is falling because he hasn't hit, but Langeliers has all-star type upside and improved significantly with the bat last season (it's elite defense + arm + strong power output). Cusick was their 1st round pick last season (he was also one of our targets) and came out hot as a Pro + he has one of the strongest two-pitch mixes in the minors (he's up to ~100mph and has a strong floor as a high end reliever). The other pitcher they got was the biggest riser in Atlanta's system last season; like Cusick he has a high floor as a reliever, but he has even better current pitchability and starter qualities.

 

They got #1, #3, #5, and #8 in Atlanta's system based on the ProspectsLive rankings.

Edited March 14, 2022 by metafour

[RustyTrombone]

So does this trade set the market for what type of return Ramirez might get? Friendlier contract compared to Olson but they are same years of control, similar caliber players with Ramirez having a longer track record. Maybe that makes the Jays equivalent Groshans, Pearson, Kirk and Hoglund? Doubt Indians would get Moreno or Orelvis.

[Laika]

Yeah I don't think the Olson return is that bad. Pache and Langeliers could be everyday players as defense first guys.

 

How much of Olson's 2021 changes will stick forever? I guess it was a full healthy season so the K rate reduction should stick but.... his track record does make me think some regression will happen.

[L54]

Two upside pitching prospects, a 4th OF and a backup catcher

 

I would not be pleased with that return for a legit 40 homer middle of the order masher

 

I hate the model of trading all star players for a casserole of players. Nothing about what Oakland or TB does is exciting to me.

[BigCecil]

lmao

 

players and their agents will try to milk every penny out of a negotiating team and then get indignant when the team decides to move to plan B?

 

that's just the game, Freddie. you're a free agent; they don't owe you a phone call if they want to trade for someone.

 

Ya, Freddy is a great player, but its not personal for him or them. His Agent was grinding, and Braves made other plans. Just business. Its a great move for Braves as opposed to saddling themselves with a 5-6 year expensive deal for a 32 year old.