GDT (1/3) | Blue Jays (40-36) vs. Mariners (41-38) | June 29 — 7:07 PM

[DigitalRock]

Yes im saying Charlie may still use Romano

 

Charlie sweating right now making the next BP decisions.

[Omar]

Charlie sweating right now making the next BP decisions.

 

[saskjayfan]

Yes, easily. He'll be looking more term.

 

I was thinking the same thing. 5 and 125. Maybe 6 years slightly lower AAV.

[Spanky99]

Great W Birds!

[Slade]

You think Semien will get 4/100 in free agency?

 

5/125 with a 6th year option if he keeps the same pace up for the rest of the year. Don't forget he plays SS at a high level.

[TwistedLogic]

lol, some guy heckles Ty France at the top of his lungs and another fan at the game loudly tells him to shut up.

 

Ty France notices it all happen while at the plate, busts out laughing and asks for time from the umpire.

 

https://streamable.com/bbuqy5

 

Hilarious video.

[Krylian]

You think Semien will get 4/100 in free agency?

 

Easily

[WryNGinger]

Wow...good on Semien betting on himself at 2B. What a monster move for him...going to pay-off big time if he keeps anything close to this pace up.

 

What would he need to sign for over 5 years for the Jays to consider him at the value that they need to? Would they sign him for 110/5? Not asking what Semien would sign for, just what the Jays FO would bite at over 5 years.

[BuffaloWings]

lol, some guy heckles Ty France at the top of his lungs and another fan at the game loudly tells him to shut up.

 

Ty France notices it all happen while at the plate, busts out laughing and asks for time from the umpire.

 

https://streamable.com/bbuqy5

 

Hilarious video.

 

The guy doing the heckling is most likely Mark Aichinger. He is Bisons' staple. If it was him the shut up probably wasnt very cool. Here is a video of Mark and his story.

 

[Laika]

You think Semien will get 4/100 in free agency?

 

Probably not an AAV quite that high. DJLM is a recent comparable and he got 6/90, so a $15M AAV.

Semien will be one year younger. Could certainly see a $20M AAV happening.

[Scion]

Probably not an AAV quite that high. DJLM is a recent comparable and he got 6/90, so a $15M AAV.

Semien will be one year younger. Could certainly see a $20M AAV happening.

 

What is the most money and term that you would be comfortable offering Semien?

[Stangstag]

What is the most money and term that you would be comfortable offering Semien?

 

I personally wouldn’t want to commit more than 5/100.

 

Even that’s risky. Semien really has like 1.5 good offensive seasons on his record, the rest are meh. His defense is solid but I feel like if he loses some bat speed in his 30s he could return to being below average offensively

 

I don’t want to end up with another Tulo situation

[BlueRocky]

What is the most money and term that you would be comfortable offering Semien?

 

I love Semien, but it makes a lot more sense to allocate that 100/5 into rotation help and ride one of the prospects or Biggio at 2B with the current roster construction.

[Brownie19]

I love Semien, but it makes a lot more sense to allocate that 100/5 into rotation help and ride one of the prospects or Biggio at 2B with the current roster construction.

 

I completely agree with this.

[glory]

I think Atkins wants to incorporate Martin, Groshans, and Moreno as the next wave of talent to hit the big leagues within the next 2 years, so I doubt they'll invest that much on Semien. Hard to say what he'll get in free agency since last winter was a Covid-influenced down market, and this winter will have a CBA negotiation. He should get $100m+ given the type of player he's been since 2019 but who knows how teams will be spending.

[THANOS]

I think Atkins wants to incorporate Martin, Groshans, and Moreno as the next wave of talent to hit the big leagues within the next 2 years, so I doubt they'll invest that much on Semien. Hard to say what he'll get in free agency since last winter was a Covid-influenced down market, and this winter will have a CBA negotiation. He should get $100m+ given the type of player he's been since 2019 but who knows how teams will be spending.

 

Could always sign him and trade him once they're ready.

 

The gamble is can he keep up the performance long enough from Martin/Groshans to force their way up. I don't want them being given anything, let them destroy the upper minors 1st.

[RobinThicc]

I could see Semien getting 4/80. Maybe he waits it out to get 5/100.

 

He turns 31 in September though.

[Ray]

I think Atkins wants to incorporate Martin, Groshans, and Moreno as the next wave of talent to hit the big leagues within the next 2 years, so I doubt they'll invest that much on Semien. Hard to say what he'll get in free agency since last winter was a Covid-influenced down market, and this winter will have a CBA negotiation. He should get $100m+ given the type of player he's been since 2019 but who knows how teams will be spending.

 

If this front office wants 2022-2024 to be the years where we're actively in our peak and trying for World Series as a complete team (as opposed to now where we're kind of just pseudo contenders with some obvious flaws), it's almost essential to keep a guy like Semien or sign Story/Bryant etc.

 

Just accumulate as much talent and good players as possible and figure it out later. Injuries always happen. You can deal with your surplus later with trades. It's also a little much to be banking on any of those prospects to actively be contributing to a championship level team in their 0-3 years of service time in the majors. We've been lucky that Bo/Vlad/Bichette/Biggio/Manoah have adjusted decently well in a relatively short span, but doesn't mean the upcoming wave will.

[Laika]

What is the most money and term that you would be comfortable offering Semien?

 

I might care more about the term than the AAV. Not sure I would want to marry him for 5+ years but I'd certainly be willing to pay him $20M+ per season. He's worth that AAV.

 

I do however think Toronto would entertain a reasonable extension even with all the infield prospects on the way.

I don't think they are counting on Smith or Taylor to be starters. Longshots for that, at least.

Groshans and Martin could slide into the OF and 3B if they both work out. Biggio could be a super-utility playing LF/RF/2B/3B/1B.

Orelvis and Hiraldo are a few years away so not really relevant to this.

 

Generally speaking, giving big money to bats is safer. I have always liked the idea of spending on bats and developing / churning out pitching prospects.

[RobinThicc]

This is also a team that wanted Lindor. And I doubt they wanted him for just one year. Then they went out and got Semien and apparently discussed a 4 year deal with him too.

 

Whether Semien is the guy to commit to is another story, but certainly seems like they want an infielder and Groshans and Martin are not stopping them from doing that.

[glory]

If this front office wants 2022-2024 to be the years where we're actively in our peak and trying for World Series as a complete team (as opposed to now where we're kind of just pseudo contenders with some obvious flaws), it's almost essential to keep a guy like Semien or sign Story/Bryant etc.

 

Just accumulate as much talent and good players as possible and figure it out later. Injuries always happen. You can deal with your surplus later with trades. It's also a little much to be banking on any of those prospects to actively be contributing to a championship level team in their 0-3 years of service time in the majors. We've been lucky that Bo/Vlad/Bichette/Biggio/Manoah have adjusted decently well in a relatively short span, but doesn't mean the upcoming wave will.

 

They offered Semien a long term deal before settling on one year, so maybe they'd be open to overpaying him after the season, but my guess is the long term offer they gave him prior to the season was slanted towards the team, and his next FA deal will not be. The front office has spent big in free agency, but in the two recent examples, they went with Ryu (pitching) and Springer (an outfielder in an org absolutely devoid of capable OF talent). If the team views Martin and Groshans as long term pieces, then I could see them continuing to go short term with infield/outfield fixes until they can incorporate those guys in.

 

Of course, I'm not saying the Jays can't re-sign Semien and still incorporate prospects. They could. Also, prospects fail while Semien is a legit elite talent, so obviously bringing him back is the higher percentage move short term. Just that would they spend over $100m to do it?

[TwistedLogic]

Probably not an AAV quite that high. DJLM is a recent comparable and he got 6/90, so a $15M AAV.

Semien will be one year younger. Could certainly see a $20M AAV happening.

 

Should also be noted that LeMahieu got that contract in an offseason where there were only a handful of decent free agents to share the available money with.

 

Semien's contending with the deepest free agent class of all time this winter.

 

Carlos Correa

Clayton Kershaw

Noah Syndergaard

Max Scherzer

Nick Castellanos*

Justin Verlander

Nolan Arenado*

Trevor Bauer*

Marcus Semien

Corey Seager

Kris Bryant

Kyle Schwarber

Freddie Freeman

Kevin Gausman

Carlos Rodon

Trevor Story

J.D. Martinez*

Lance Lynn

Marcus Stroman

Zack Greinke

Starling Marte

Michael Conforto

Mark Canha

Brandon Crawford

Chris Taylor

Javier Baez

Nelson Cruz

Anthony Rizzo

Tommy Pham

Corey Kluber

James Paxton

Chris Archer

Eduardo Escobar

Eduardo Rodriguez

Joc Pederson

Brandon Belt

Robbie Ray

Adam Wainwright

Wade Miley

Charlie Morton

Alex Cobb

Yadier Molina

Anthony DeSclafani

Danny Duffy

Dylan Bundy

Steven Matz

Alex Wood

Michael Pineda

Jon Gray

Andrew Heaney

Kwang-Hyun Kim

Ryan Zimmerman

Jose Quintana

Jed Lowrie

Freddy Galvis

Andrelton Simmons

Yan Gomes

Kevin Pillar

Aaron Sanchez

Martin Perez

Jonathan Schoop

Jason Kipnis

Matt Harvey

Brad Miller

Corey Dickerson

Avisail Garcia

Jonathan Villar

Tyler Anderson

Carlos Martinez

Kole Calhoun

Travis d'Arnaud

Rich Hill

Jake Arrieta

Jon Lester

JA Happ

Brett Anderson

Albert Pujols

 

+

 

Matt Barnes

Craig Kimbrel*

Kenley Jansen

Kirby Yates

Aaron Loup

Colin McHugh

Mark Melancon

Adam Ottavino

Trevor Rosenthal

Brad Hand

David Phelps

Raisel Iglesias

Jimmy Nelson

Andrew Chafin

Ryan Tepera

Kendall Graveman

Michael Lorenzen

Daniel Hudson

Darren O'Day

Rafael Dolis

Andrew Miller

Dellin Betances*

Greg Holland

[Deadpool]

I offer Semien a QO (A's didn't give him one last year), and I'm happy if he takes it, and also happy if he walks. I'd give him a multi-year, big payday contract if we didn't already have the pieces that we have (MLB and Minors), but I just don't see how he fits on a team w/ Bo, Biggio, Martin, and Groshans all in the mix in 1-2 years. Certainly a good problem to have, and it's certainly possible that he's the best player of the 5 I've mentioned, but $20-$25M (assuming that's what he commands) could impact signing Bo/Vladdy long term, and could probably be better spent on areas of need.

 

I won't be pissed if he's signed to a reasonable ~4 year deal though.

[BlueRocky]

If this front office wants 2022-2024 to be the years where we're actively in our peak and trying for World Series as a complete team (as opposed to now where we're kind of just pseudo contenders with some obvious flaws), it's almost essential to keep a guy like Semien or sign Story/Bryant etc.

 

Just accumulate as much talent and good players as possible and figure it out later. Injuries always happen. You can deal with your surplus later with trades. It's also a little much to be banking on any of those prospects to actively be contributing to a championship level team in their 0-3 years of service time in the majors. We've been lucky that Bo/Vlad/Bichette/Biggio/Manoah have adjusted decently well in a relatively short span, but doesn't mean the upcoming wave will.

 

Who’s pitching?

I’m not opposed to extending Semien, but if it takes 4-5 years to get it done for a 31 year old Semien at 20-25 AAV I’m not sure where they’ll get the dollars to patch the rotation. Robbie Ray is also expiring, so they’ll need two or three legit SP even if Pearson bounces back, and that’s a big assumption right now.

[Ray]

Who’s pitching?

I’m not opposed to extending Semien, but if it takes 4-5 years to get it done for a 31 year old Semien at 20-25 AAV I’m not sure where they’ll get the dollars to patch the rotation. Robbie Ray is also expiring, so they’ll need two or three legit SP even if Pearson bounces back, and that’s a big assumption right now.

 

If we're operating at the payrolls levels we were at between 2016-2018 (~$170M), there will be plenty of money to spend on pitching even if we dish out $20M to Semien and even taking into account arb raises. We have $64M committed. Add Semien's AAV and arb raises to that, and I don't think you'll even eclipse $100M before adding any free agents.

 

It's not even that I'm advocating strictly for Semien either. We just can't expect guys like Moreno/Groshans/Martin to come up and start doing well and contributing to a World Series team. If it's a stop-gap one year deal, that's fine too. But we can't go into the season relying on those guys, and I don't think they have any bearing on any potential mid-size free agent position player deals (as referenced by the fact that they offered Semien a 4 year deal this past offseason).

[Krylian]

Who’s pitching?

I’m not opposed to extending Semien, but if it takes 4-5 years to get it done for a 31 year old Semien at 20-25 AAV I’m not sure where they’ll get the dollars to patch the rotation. Robbie Ray is also expiring, so they’ll need two or three legit SP even if Pearson bounces back, and that’s a big assumption right now.

 

I'm treating it as if Pearson doesn't even exist. Not counting on him for a thing. If for whatever reason the stars re-align... Awesome. But he's not in my plans for 2022.

[gruber92]

Shatkins will probably look for another one year bloated deal on a player who is betting on himself as Semien did. Kris Bryant could fit the bill and playing in AL East parks could help him pad his stats. The only thing is that we'd have to ride Biggio or Martin at second base. Freddy Freeman would be an insane signing, he could mix time at DH and first base. We're going to need at least one more quality SP, no more than three years though.

[Spanky99]

I'm treating it as if Pearson doesn't even exist. Not counting on him for a thing. If for whatever reason the stars re-align... Awesome. But he's not in my plans for 2022.

 

Glad he's in the Jays plans.

[Jimcanuck]

Not seeing tonight's game on the guide. Is it on FB Live or youtube or something?

 

nvm - saw Wilko's post

[polar bear]

Not seeing tonight's game on the guide. Is it on FB Live or youtube or something?

 

nvm - saw Wilko's post

 

Not on my guide either,stupid Ice Hockey games on every damn channel.