Belief in Blue Jays' Montoyo has to be running thin - New Toronto Sun article

[5ToolPhenom]

https://torontosun.com/sports/baseball/toronto-blue-jays/simmons-belief-in-montoyo-has-to-be-running-thin?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1624191281

[ShowtimeBelli]

Quite possibly the worst article I've read in a long long long time. That was all around bad journalism.

[gruber92]

What a f***ing horrible article, you won't make it past the first two paragraphs.

[TwistedLogic]

A Steve Simmons article getting its own thread on here might make this the darkest day in the history of BJMB.

 

Can a mod please smite this atrocity out of existence?

[Carlos Danger]

What are you guys so upset about? Reality hurts…. What in the article is incorrect or not true.

 

Pretty spot on.

[RustyTrombone]

Imagine actually getting paid to write ******** like that

[polar bear]

What are you guys so upset about? Reality hurts…. What in the article is incorrect or not true.

 

Pretty spot on.

 

I’m definitely not a Simmons fan,but he is On the money here.

[connorp]

What are you guys so upset about? Reality hurts…. What in the article is incorrect or not true.

 

Pretty spot on.

 

At the very least I fail to see what’s so egregious about it

[connorp]

I haven’t followed but I’m sure there’s all sorts of Aaron Boone articles some NY fans may hate. When you have an underperforming team it comes with the territory, geez

[G-Snarls]

What are you guys so upset about? Reality hurts…. What in the article is incorrect or not true.

 

Pretty spot on.

 

There's nothing factually incorrect

 

It's just all speculation and absolutely terribly written is all

[RustyTrombone]

Calling the AL weak is pretty incorrect. How can you say that when the Rays, White Sox and Astros look so damn good and the Athletics and the Red Sox are squeezing everything they can out of their teams and then you got the Indians, Yankees and Angles all looking to compete for a wild card.

[Carlos Danger]

Calling the AL weak is pretty incorrect. How can you say that when the Rays, White Sox and Astros look so damn good and the Athletics and the Red Sox are squeezing everything they can out of their teams and then you got the Indians, Yankees and Angles all looking to compete for a wild card.

 

Is is relative and it is the weakest it has been in a while. Houston is a surprise, Tampa also after the loss of guys in the off season. The CWS are the only ones who are where people probably thought they would be. AL vs NL a lot more “power house” teams in the NL, or supposed to be anyway, this year.

[RustyTrombone]

Is is relative and it is the weakest it has been in a while. Houston is a surprise, Tampa also after the loss of guys in the off season. The CWS are the only ones who are where people probably thought they would be. AL vs NL a lot more “power house” teams in the NL, or supposed to be anyway, this year.[/quote

 

I dont think there are alot of powerhouse teams in the NL. The Dodgers sure but the Giants and the Padres powerhouses? Hardly. Giants have a bunch of veterans playing way over their heads who are gonna fade in the second half, and the Padres got a poor offense even with a healthy Tatis and if he goes down for a significant time...woof. Any team in the east? If you squint maybe the Mets but can you seriously expect Stroman and Walker to keep pitching like cy youngs? Not one team in the central is very good.

[Slade]

New thread for Steve f***ing Simmons article. Lol

[The Iceman]

Interesting read, Charlie is 100% perfect #2 man in command. just like he was in TB. Very likable and positive. As a head man I do not think he gets the respect from umpires or players. i think the manager needs to be a leader, charasmatic, command a room, put the fear a little into players and umpires if things aren't done correctly. Charlie is not this.

 

I would like the flip flop of Charlie and Schnieder but obviously this would never happen.

We will have a new manager next season though.

[glory]

Didn't read the article, but the 2nd WC team in the AL right now is currently 43-29. If Manfred got his wish and had a 14 team expanded playoffs, the final playoff spot in the AL would go to the Yankees at 38-33. It's not a weak AL. If anything there are more average-good teams (to go along with the really good/great teams) than in previous years where there were a lot of bad teams that resulted in inflated win totals for the actual good teams. Probably won't see that this season.

[Spanky99]

Is is relative and it is the weakest it has been in a while. Houston is a surprise, Tampa also after the loss of guys in the off season. The CWS are the only ones who are where people probably thought they would be. AL vs NL a lot more “power house” teams in the NL, or supposed to be anyway, this year.

 

Houston and Tampa aren't surprises, go look at their projections, especially Houston.

[BuffaloWings]

Hardly an article. More of a snippet of an op-ed. That said, the opinions are dead on. Montoyo, and the organization as a whole are wasting their stars.

 

Team is way to reliant on the long ball to win ball games, and that wont fly if they are able to make it to the playoffs. Do they have a problem in the Bullpen, yes a massive one, but it goes beyond that. They have holes behind the plate, at 3rd base, and in the outfield. They are a Vlad slump away from being way south of .500

[Olerud363]

Hardly an article. More of a snippet of an op-ed. That said, the opinions are dead on. Montoyo, and the organization as a whole are wasting their stars.

 

Team is way to reliant on the long ball to win ball games, and that wont fly if they are able to make it to the playoffs. Do they have a problem in the Bullpen, yes a massive one, but it goes beyond that. They have holes behind the plate, at 3rd base, and in the outfield. They are a Vlad slump away from being way south of .500

 

I have to disagree with some of this

 

a) To reliant on the homerun? Home run hitting teams do fine in the playoffs. The Blue Jays biggest moments in the playoffs have been home runs (Alomar, Sprague, Carter, Bautista, EE). You can't just hit homeruns and have Chatwood as your closer.. sure. However the problem isn't "too reliant on homeruns" it's that the bullpen sucks.

 

No hole at 3rd base.. Biggio is fine, will probably end up with 2 WAR, could platoon with Espinal. Depth with Smith and Moreno now.

Assuming Springer is back no hole in the outfield. Or Catcher assuming Kirk/Jansen come back.

[Laika]

There is basically only ONE thing to legitimately complain about on the position player side and it's that the defense is not great.

 

Bo - has played a competent but below average SS

Biggio - has played a competent but below average 3B

Grichuk - is maybe playing a bit over his head in CF, expect regression

Teoscar - is playing fine but probably regresses to a below average RF

Gurriel - boneheaded fielder with a cannon

Catcher - losing Jansen hurts on defense, all things considered

Panik - providing mediocre bench D

 

No nightmares but lots of room for improvements.

 

Springer coming back should be a decent boost. They could upgrade CF and LF or RF on most nights, if Grichuk moves to a corner.

 

I wonder if bringing up some young/athleticism at some point (thinking Smith, Moreno, Lopez) could be a good cascade. Less reliance on the aging Panik in the field, competition for Biggio at the corner.

[bendera3]

 

I wonder if bringing up some young/athleticism at some point (thinking Smith, Moreno, Lopez) could be a good cascade. Less reliance on the aging Panik in the field, competition for Biggio at the corner.

 

I'd very much like Kevin Smith up with the club and trade or release Panik. I think something clicked with Smith this season.

[Deadpool]

I'd very much like Kevin Smith up with the club and trade or release Panik. I think something clicked with Smith this season.

 

Honestly, I'd be fine with the "trade or release Panik" part regardless of who replaces him, simply to stop Chuckles from using him in ridiculously inappropriate ways.

[wilko]

[Dr. Dinger]

If you read the Sun at all, you’re trash.

[Stangstag]

Hardly an article. More of a snippet of an op-ed. That said, the opinions are dead on. Montoyo, and the organization as a whole are wasting their stars.

 

Team is way to reliant on the long ball to win ball games, and that wont fly if they are able to make it to the playoffs. Do they have a problem in the Bullpen, yes a massive one, but it goes beyond that. They have holes behind the plate, at 3rd base, and in the outfield. They are a Vlad slump away from being way south of .500

 

I still can’t believe people actually think this way lol

[DigitalRock]

Hardly an article. More of a snippet of an op-ed. That said, the opinions are dead on. Montoyo, and the organization as a whole are wasting their stars.

 

Team is way to reliant on the long ball to win ball games, and that wont fly if they are able to make it to the playoffs. Do they have a problem in the Bullpen, yes a massive one, but it goes beyond that. They have holes behind the plate, at 3rd base, and in the outfield. They are a Vlad slump away from being way south of .500

 

Based on what? Vlad and Bo are 22.....it's been half a season lol at these over reactions. Winning is hard in MLB. The bolded is pure nonsense.

[John_Havok]

I still can’t believe people actually think this way lol

 

no kidding. Did a quick run down of the top AL teams by standing + the Jays. Columns are HR, Runs scored via HR, Total Runs, % of team runs scored via HR and overall Run diff.

 

Toronto is highest, but it's not like it's in another universe.

 

 

Houston 103 182 442 41.2 142

Toronto 114 179 387 46.2 65

Boston 96 167 391 42.7 42

Tampa 95 178 388 45.9 85

CWS 72 129 368 35.1 81

Cleveland 89 139 319 43.6 -3

Oakland 99 147 364 40.4 34