General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2021)

[Spanky99]

can Kirk and Moreno coexist long-term? I keep seeing Kirk on trade rumours or trade chips articles. Given the fact that the Jays haven't had a home-grown catcher (pretty much ever in their history), wouldn't it make more sense to have them as a C/3B/DH platoon long-term? I'd be really loath to trade one of them away given the uncertainty surrounding catching prospects, and their potential +/++ hitting at the MLB level.

 

Anyone disagree? The more logical play is to deal McGuire and Jansen for parts as soon as Kirk and Moreno are ready

 

I believe most feel this way, not sure how the Jays rate their catching but there's a crunch now, we'll see by the deadline.

[Ryu In My House]

Biggio better by every single offensive metric

 

I want Cruz and Taylor Rogers.

[TwistedLogic]

I don't know if I want to move Biggio unless it's in a trade for a guy like Jose Ramirez.

 

Sort of that Lawrie + prospects for Josh Donaldson type move.

[Spanky99]

I don't know if I want to move Biggio unless it's in a trade for a guy like Jose Ramirez.

 

Sort of that Lawrie + prospects for Josh Donaldson type move.

 

Yeah, that's a realistic ask. I'd like something like that if we're losing Biggio.

[Benito]

Ramirez is the type of player Jays should only consider for Biggio+. I know everyone wants FO to pull big trade for run this year. I do as well. But this team has never been in better position asset wise, for a sustained competitive run similar to the 83-93 decade. A big reason for that is having a young core with several controllable years. Cavan is 3-4+ war player entering prime with 4+ years of control remaining.

[Ray]

I'd do Biggio, Groshans, and maybe even Kloffenstein for Jose Ramirez easy.

 

Ramirez would be a game changer.

[gruber92]

I'd do Biggio, Groshans, and maybe even Kloffenstein for Jose Ramirez easy.

 

Ramirez would be a game changer.

 

Throw in Chavez Young if needed.

[RustyTrombone]

Can Reese please be DFA'ed like tonight?

[spats]

This Jays team is so frustrating. They either score 10 runs or 1.

[saskjayfan]

Can Reese please be DFA'ed like tonight?

 

They can't. Danny Jansen has been so bad that they would feel guilty doing so. They are desperately trying to trade Reese. Jansen should be grateful he is the Ryu Whisperer.

 

I mean losing the glove and the one other pitch last night was a bad look on Reese last night, but his framing statistics this year are slightly better than Jansen this year. Go back over the last couple years and Jansen might be a tick better, but they both frame reasonably well. McGuire has thrown out runners much better this year than Jansen. His bat has been better. I think Jansen calls a better game, but that's hard to quantify.

 

We have 2 back up catchers. We need to get rid of one. Most on here would get rid of Mcguire as if it's a no brainer. I've lost some patience with Jansen. Athletically he should be the better, but how long do you have to wait for a kid to put things together. If someone wanted Jansen in a trade over Mcguire I'd get rid of Jansen.

 

Our best catcher is Kirk and he's on a 7 game hitting streak after playing 7 games in AAA. He needs to be up with the Jays.

[RustyTrombone]

They can't. Danny Jansen has been so bad that they would feel guilty doing so. They are desperately trying to trade Reese. Jansen should be grateful he is the Ryu Whisperer.

 

I mean losing the glove and the one other pitch last night was a bad look on Reese last night, but his framing statistics this year are slightly better than Jansen this year. Go back over the last couple years and Jansen might be a tick better, but they both frame reasonably well. McGuire has thrown out runners much better this year than Jansen. His bat has been better. I think Jansen calls a better game, but that's hard to quantify.

 

We have 2 back up catchers. We need to get rid of one. Most on here would get rid of Mcguire as if it's a no brainer. I've lost some patience with Jansen. Athletically he should be the better, but how long do you have to wait for a kid to put things together. If someone wanted Jansen in a trade over Mcguire I'd get rid of Jansen.

 

Our best catcher is Kirk and he's on a 7 game hitting streak after playing 7 games in AAA. He needs to be up with the Jays.

 

Much much rather have jansen as the back up. Its clear he's got a much better rapport with the pitchers. His game calling is better imo, his blocking is better, and ya his offense sucks, but McGuire might be even worse.

 

Kirk needs to be brought asap and made the starter. If we want to make serious run for a wild card spot, or have any hope of catching the Sox we can't keep giving away all the catcher atbats to a couple of dog shitters. Atleast 3 times a week kirk needs to be in there so we have a competent hitting catcher.

[BigCecil]

Glass half full on this team is becoming really difficult for any fan. It’s math. Rather than consistently playing good baseball we have to go with hope all in on a major hot streak, which we haven’t produced all season, to have a wildcard shot. 5-5 last 10. Just not getting it done as playoff odds drop. I don’t expect any big moves to add wins. Frustrating season.

[Bluebombers]

Yes, the playoff window could be starting to close.......A shot in the arm of some sort needed

Seems like calling up Kirk is a start

[Jays24]

I think our management always viewed this season to be their first competitive year while we wait and see what we have with our young guys. That 50/50 approach might be better for us long term but will hurt us for this season. This is the reason why Bo is playing SS instead of Semien. I fully trust our management will take the kid Gloves off next year where I expect us to make some world series noise. Edited July 10, 2021 by Jays24

[Spanky99]

1. Marcus Semien ® 2B

2. Bo Bichette ® SS

3. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. ® 1B

4. George Springer ® DH

5. Teoscar Hernandez ® RF

6. Randal Grichuk ® CF

7. Lourdes Gurriel Jr. ® LF

8. Santiago Espinal ® 3B

9. Danny Jansen ® C

[Laika]

I think our management always viewed this season to be their first competitive year while we wait and see what we have with our young guys. That 50/50 approach might be better for us long term but will hurt us for this season. This is the reason why Bo is playing SS instead of Semien.

I fully trust our management will take the kid Gloves off next year where I expect us to make some world series noise.

 

Agree with this.

 

If Toronto misses the playoffs this year people need to keep an eye on the big picture.

[saskjayfan]

Agree with this.

 

If Toronto misses the playoffs this year people need to keep an eye on the big picture.

 

What people are you talking about? Good luck convincing the average fan who's never heard of SWR or Austin Martin of the plan!

[Stangstag]

I think our management always viewed this season to be their first competitive year while we wait and see what we have with our young guys. That 50/50 approach might be better for us long term but will hurt us for this season. This is the reason why Bo is playing SS instead of Semien.

I fully trust our management will take the kid Gloves off next year where I expect us to make some world series noise.

 

Agreed.

[Laika]

What people are you talking about? Good luck convincing the average fan who's never heard of SWR or Austin Martin of the plan!

 

I don't give 1% of a f*** about the "average fan".

[Spanky99]

[Spanky99]

[Jays24]

What people are you talking about? Good luck convincing the average fan who's never heard of SWR or Austin Martin of the plan!

 

The average fan will be pissed for sure about this season. Heck, so will all the die hands but the big picture is what our management cares about it seems. They've already put up with as much backlash any management team can get without caving and it has gotten them this far.

 

I doubt they give a crap about us being pissed for another year. They won't speed up their plan as they always said they will use this trade deadline and the upcoming offseason to add to their vision of the final product.

[Spanky99]

I think our management always viewed this season to be their first competitive year while we wait and see what we have with our young guys. That 50/50 approach might be better for us long term but will hurt us for this season. This is the reason why Bo is playing SS instead of Semien. I fully trust our management will take the kid Gloves off next year where I expect us to make some world series noise.

 

This is a reasonable outlook, good post.

[BigCecil]

I think our management always viewed this season to be their first competitive year while we wait and see what we have with our young guys. That 50/50 approach might be better for us long term but will hurt us for this season. This is the reason why Bo is playing SS instead of Semien. I fully trust our management will take the kid Gloves off next year where I expect us to make some world series noise.

 

This is a good take I agree with but it’s a bit frustrating. Who knows what next year brings? Will Vlad mash again? Who will replace Marcus’s production? Injuries. Is Pearson a bust? How will Ryu do another year of age on the arm? How and at what cost will they inject more quality arms into rotation and pen? How do we improve the run prevention? Each season brings its own questions. Big pictures don’t work out more often than they do with so many variables. A debatable argument was makeable that this team was good enough with moves to push. Just have to have faith in the FO.

[Jays24]

This is a good take I agree with but it’s a bit frustrating. Who knows what next year brings? Will Vlad mash again? Who will replace Marcus’s production? Injuries. Is Pearson a bust? How will Ryu do another year of age on the arm? How and at what cost will they inject more quality arms into rotation and pen? How do we improve the run prevention? Each season brings its own questions. Big pictures don’t work out more often than they do with so many variables. A debatable argument was makeable that this team was good enough with moves to push. Just have to have faith in the FO.

 

I agree with you, I was pushing for us to spend more this offseason to patch up the obvious holes. But I can also see the method to the madness of seeing where all our young guys fit on our team long term. We have tons of salary space and there was a reason why our management didn't use majority of it in one offseason. Semien can easily be brought back or we can go after one of the many other SS's on the market, which was always part of their plan I think.

 

I've compared this team to the 2015 team where we had an amazing run differential but were stuck around .500 because of our pitching and defense. The same drawbacks hold true for this team but the main difference is that our core is just beginning their MLB careers whereas the 2015 team was on their way down. There is no reason for us to make any moves that hurt us long term. I will trust the front office as they've got us to this point thus far.

[Jimcanuck]

With a better performance and fewer "holes", the FO would trade in prospect capital to fill some holes this year. But there is a point where keeping the prospect capital and spend cash only on some free agents in the offseason (Kris Bryant?) is the better approach.

 

Jays are on the upswing. Moving prospect capital now will just lower the future peak, for a marginal increase in their chances this year only.

 

History is rife with examples of bad short term moves. Didn't the Chisox move FTJ for Big Game James in a similar circumstance?

[BigCecil]

With a better performance and fewer "holes", the FO would trade in prospect capital to fill some holes this year. But there is a point where keeping the prospect capital and spend cash only on some free agents in the offseason (Kris Bryant?) is the better approach.

 

Jays are on the upswing. Moving prospect capital now will just lower the future peak, for a marginal increase in their chances this year only.

 

History is rife with examples of bad short term moves. Didn't the Chisox move FTJ for Big Game James in a similar circumstance?

 

It’s a tough call either way. That’s why FO gets paid a lot. We went on a roll in 15 after big moves and basically it cost us Boyd Norris and Hoffman. With no Cecil fluke injury and less ******** KC luck that team could have won. Doesn’t always work out well, like the MIA and Dickey deals. God I hated watching him pitch.

[JFD]

Vladdy should be in the HR derby this season. What is he thinking? This team is not a contender yet..

[connorp]

Vladdy should be in the HR derby this season. What is he thinking? This team is not a contender yet..

 

He’s a superstar now. Nothing left to show. Could sign a $300m deal tomorrow probably, 2019 there were still questions and I’m sure the bonus money was attractive to him. Ohtani prob won’t do it again next year. It’s like the slam dunk contest or something

[JaysAllMighty]

Vladdy should be in the HR derby this season. What is he thinking? This team is not a contender yet..

 

Dumb talk. Of course the Jays can make the playoffs. And nothing good can come of Vladdy being in the HR derby for our team... nothing.