General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2021)

[Jays24]

Bichette

Biggio

Vladdy

Teo

Springer

Grichuk

Gurriel Jr.

McGuire

Semien

 

Pretty nice lineup he might not be so far out of left field on this 1!

 

I'm sorry but this is a bannable offense lol.

[Bluebombers]

Semien would have a WTF moment reading the lineup card, seeing him drop from 1 to 9

[Jays24]

Springer

Bo

Vlad

Teo

Semien

Grichuk

Biggio

Gurriel

Reese

 

Personally I'd put biggio 9th and I don't care if we have 2 lefties together. I'd rather biggio bat knowing he has Springer behind him so he sticks with his patient approach than bat aggressive thinking he has to do damage. The aggressive approach hasn't worked out well for him so far.

[G-Snarls]

Bichette

Biggio

Vladdy

Teo

Springer

Grichuk

Gurriel Jr.

McGuire

Semien

 

Pretty nice lineup he might not be so far out of left field on this 1!

 

Hi Pat, welcome to the board. Glad you found time to post between announcing Jays games!

[G-Snarls]

At the same time I'll give Tabler credit for something really smart he said the other day.

 

Chatwood came in late in a close game the Jays were leading and he immediately walked the first batter he faced on 4 pitches. (shocking I know.....)

 

Rather than some platitude about Chatwood needing to settle down and work through it or some other BS, Pat says: "Charlie Montoyo needs to have somebody else ready to go NOW. This is about winning games, not about trying to make someone feel better about themselves"

 

I nearly spit out my Diet Pepsi thinking "wait, what.....?!?! That's..... that's exactly right and Tabby was the one that said it"

[Brownie19]

Springer

Bo

Vlad

Teo

Semien

Grichuk

Biggio

Gurriel

Reese

 

Personally I'd put biggio 9th and I don't care if we have 2 lefties together. I'd rather biggio bat knowing he has Springer behind him so he sticks with his patient approach than bat aggressive thinking he has to do damage. The aggressive approach hasn't worked out well for him so far.

 

Grichuk since May 12th - wRC+ of 93

Gurriel since May 12th - wRC+ 121

 

Add that to Gurriel's results over the past 2 years and there's no way Gurriel hits below Grichuk. Randel should be a platoon bat.

[Brownie19]

At the same time I'll give Tabler credit for something really smart he said the other day.

 

Chatwood came in late in a close game the Jays were leading and he immediately walked the first batter he faced on 4 pitches. (shocking I know.....)

 

Rather than some platitude about Chatwood needing to settle down and work through it or some other BS, Pat says: "Charlie Montoyo needs to have somebody else ready to go NOW. This is about winning games, not about trying to make someone feel better about themselves"

 

I nearly spit out my Diet Pepsi thinking "wait, what.....?!?! That's..... that's exactly right and Tabby was the one that said it"

 

Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

[Benito]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

 

So, you are saying Pat is almost as smart as a broken clock?

[Daniel Labude]

So randemly putting Semien who is unquestionably your second best hitter this year in any measurable behind McGuire, Gurriel, Biggio and Grich?

And Bo with the 5th best OBP leading off?

 

Semien

Bo

Vladdy

Hernandez

Springer

Biggio

Grich

Gurriel

McGuire

And when Springer gets a couple weeks under his belt and if he is outpreforming those above him move him up.

The only must is Vlad does not hit below 3 in the order. EVER.

 

Id like this until Springer is hitting, then flip Semien and Springer

 

Semien

Bo

Vladdy

Hernandez

Springer

Grich

Gurriel

McGuire

Biggio

[InvincibleTiger]

Alcantara scratched for Marlins. Trevor Rogers vs Ross Stripling now.

[G-Snarls]

Alcantara scratched for Marlins. Trevor Rogers vs Ross Stripling now.

 

f***

 

ug

[Jays24]

Grichuk since May 12th - wRC+ of 93

Gurriel since May 12th - wRC+ 121

 

Add that to Gurriel's results over the past 2 years and there's no way Gurriel hits below Grichuk. Randel should be a platoon bat.

 

Gurriel and Grichuk were interchangeable to me in the lineup. I gave Girchuk the benefit of the doubt since he's had a better overall year so far.

[Spanky99]

f***

 

ug

 

Why? That's good for us, if we don't face Alcantara.

[King]

Why? That's good for us, if we don't face Alcantara.

Trevor Rogers is better than Alcantara lmao

[G-Snarls]

Rogers is super good

[Spanky99]

Trevor Rogers is better than Alcantara lmao

 

We were facing both of them, regardless, if Alcantara's scratched he isn't going tomorrow. lmao

 

I'd rather face Poteet, meat.

[Laika]

We were facing both of them, regardless, if Alcantara's scratched he isn't going tomorrow. lmao

 

I'd rather face Poteet, meat.

 

smart Spanky

[G-Snarls]

Oh

 

So they just moved Rogers up a day?

 

I'm surprised they'd do that unless they had an extra day off too I suppose

[Spanky99]

Oh

 

So they just moved Rogers up a day?

 

I'm surprised they'd do that unless they had an extra day off too I suppose

 

Yes, they're starting a series tonight, bro? Alcantara scratched means we bybass seeing him, Rogers and Poteet move up. Hence it's good for us.

[InvincibleTiger]

What would it take for us to acquire one of Rogers, Alcantara or Lopez from the Marlins? They are just oozing with SP talent. And in the minors, too.

[Orgfiller]

What would it take for us to acquire one of Rogers, Alcantara or Lopez from the Marlins? They are just oozing with SP talent. And in the minors, too.

 

A lot. They have no reason to move any of them right now, Alcantara and Lopez are 25 and haven't even entered arb1 yet, Rogers is a rookie who might be the best of the bunch. This isn't a decision they'll have to make for at least a couple of years.

[Bluebombers]

Hoping the red Sox and rays go 18 innings burning thru pitchers......

 

Like Bucko burning thru a bottle of of his booster juice

[TwistedLogic]

Some good news

 

[RustyTrombone]

Anyone a little bit concerned by how right handed heavy our entire org is becoming? Tellez, Biggio are the only lefites of importance at the big league level (Tellez might not be with how hes playing). At AAA you got Smith whos a righty, Wall whos a righty, only Palacios whos a lefty. At AA its even more glaring, Martin, Moreno, Groshans, Lopez, Taylor all righties. Or does this not matter and a good player is a good player.

[Laika]

Anyone a little bit concerned by how right handed heavy our entire org is becoming? Tellez, Biggio are the only lefites of importance at the big league level (Tellez might not be with how hes playing). At AAA you got Smith whos a righty, Wall whos a righty, only Palacios whos a lefty. At AA its even more glaring, Martin, Moreno, Groshans, Lopez, Taylor all righties. Or does this not matter and a good player is a good player.

 

Doesn't matter as much when it happens in this direction. A lot of these right handed hitters won't exhibit huge platoon splits.

 

Now having a lineup of mostly lefties is probably a bad idea.

[RustyTrombone]

Doesn't matter as much when it happens in this direction. A lot of these right handed hitters won't exhibit huge platoon splits.

 

Now having a lineup of mostly lefties is probably a bad idea.

 

But when you have a lineup just full of righties wouldn't it make it easier to pitch to? A team like the Rays or Dodgers would just abuse the one dimensional aspect of the team in a 7 game series.

[Olerud363]

Anyone a little bit concerned by how right handed heavy our entire org is becoming? Tellez, Biggio are the only lefites of importance at the big league level (Tellez might not be with how hes playing). At AAA you got Smith whos a righty, Wall whos a righty, only Palacios whos a lefty. At AA its even more glaring, Martin, Moreno, Groshans, Lopez, Taylor all righties. Or does this not matter and a good player is a good player.

 

2015 the key guys were Donaldson, Bautista, EE, Tulo, Martin, Pillar, Colabello... had to get down to Revere, Smoak, and Goins for lefties

 

Really similar to now where basically Biggio, Tellez, Panic, and Reese are the lefties. In both cases the key guys all righty and a couple lefties in the secondary guys.

 

Shows it doesn't matter too much... though scrappy Royals had lots of lefties and switch hitters (Moustakas, Hosmer, Zobrist, Morales).

 

Well, next few years we might have more data on this

 

a) get great right handed hitting team that can score 900 runs

play playoff series scrappy 750 run team with lefties and switch hitters that steals signs

c) collect data and come to conclusion about this pressing issue

[Ray]

Anyone a little bit concerned by how right handed heavy our entire org is becoming? Tellez, Biggio are the only lefites of importance at the big league level (Tellez might not be with how hes playing). At AAA you got Smith whos a righty, Wall whos a righty, only Palacios whos a lefty. At AA its even more glaring, Martin, Moreno, Groshans, Lopez, Taylor all righties. Or does this not matter and a good player is a good player.

 

I flip back and forth on this all the time.

 

On one had, having too many right handed batters (or lefities for that matter) shouldn't be an issue so long as the hitters can demonstrably hit pitchers from both sides at an adequate level. The clear advantage of the handedness on paper is the platoon advantage it provides, but that shouldn't matter if the hitter mashes both lefties and righties.

 

That being said, I do think there is something to be said for introducing a little variety into the lineup. Lefties and righties are pitched to differently, and if a pitcher is constantly shifting and trying to make adjustments for handedness throughout the lineup, it could provide an advantage, however minuscule it may be. This could be total ******** though. I don't know.

[Laika]

But when you have a lineup just full of righties wouldn't it make it easier to pitch to? A team like the Rays or Dodgers would just abuse the one dimensional aspect of the team in a 7 game series.

 

The platoon splits that right handed hitters demonstrate tend to be much smaller than lefties.

 

I think the average wOBA split for LHB is about 9% but for RHB it's more like 6%. Meaning the typical LHB will be 9% worse against same-side pitching, while the typical RHB is only 6% worse against same-side pitching. Because of this, I would also assume that the hitters who exhibit NO platoon splits are more likely to be RHB.

 

Righties don't get dusted by ROOOGYs the same way lefties get dusted by LOOOGYs.

 

Even to the point that it is a concern (say the true talent platoon splits of Bo, Vlad, and Teo all end up being more like 9%) it's a problem that is solvable by just plugging one LHB in between them, or even one RHB with no true talent platoon split. So it's not really an intractable long term problem.

[TwistedLogic]

Springer returns, Franco debuts and the Raptors have their first shot at a decent draft pick in a long time. Exciting day.