Blue Jays sign George Springer to a 6 year, $150M deal

[Laika]

36% K rate in A ball for a college prospect.

 

I'll eat my dad's shorts if he's anything but an MLB role player

[Spanky99]

I don't get it.

[Laika]

40 FVs mean nothing. Preller signs like 3 of them every IFA period and trades them for Darvish.

 

Arbitrary Fangraphs numbers mean nothing. You don't hang on to every prospect you think is likely to bust on the off off off off off off off chance that some other teams likes them a lot and you can package them with three other assets for a good player on a free agent contract

 

Edit - I thought you were being sarcastic

Edited January 3, 2021 by Laika

[L54]

Corner outfielders are the most replaceable position on the field. You could sign Robbie Grossman for like 6M this year if you wanted and could expect a 1-2 win player. There are guys like that available every single year. Who cares!

[max silver]

Griffin Conine is a weird hill to die on

 

Take a gander at MLB Pipeline's Blue Jays top 30. If you assume Martin plays infield Conine was basically the Jays top rated outfield prospect, this makes what is the arguably the minor league system's greatest weakness even worse. I just really dislike the idea of dumping prospects before they've even had a decent chance to fail and then subsequently make the necessary adjustments to maximize their talents.

[Spanky99]

Take a gander at MLB Pipeline's Blue Jays top 30. If you assume Martin plays infield Conine was basically the Jays top rated outfield prospect, this makes what is the arguably the minor league system's greatest weakness even worse. I just really dislike the idea of dumping prospects before they've even had a decent chance to fail and then subsequently make the necessary adjustments to maximize their talents.

 

They're dime a dozen, man.

[L54]

Take a gander at MLB Pipeline's Blue Jays top 30. If you assume Martin plays infield Conine was basically the Jays top rated outfield prospect, this makes what is the arguably the minor league system's greatest weakness even worse. I just really dislike the idea of dumping prospects before they've even had a decent chance to fail and then subsequently make the necessary adjustments to maximize their talents.

 

There's a very real chance that the reason why Toronto's system isn't loaded with OF prospects is because the team places an emphasis on infielders with the understanding that they can always move to the OF if the bat plays.

[Laika]

There's a very real chance that the reason why Toronto's system isn't loaded with OF prospects is because the team places an emphasis on infielders with the understanding that they can always move to the OF if the bat plays.

 

Never thought about it like that but this could be exactly right. Most outfielders are just baseball players who couldn't stick on the dirt.

 

It's like saying "this system doesn't have enough reliever prospects!"

[L54]

Never thought about it like that but this could be exactly right. Most outfielders are just baseball players who couldn't stick on the dirt.

 

Exactly. Unless you throw left handed if you ended up in the OF at any point in your baseball career you likely failed as an infielder.

[max silver]

There's a very real chance that the reason why Toronto's system isn't loaded with OF prospects is because the team places an emphasis on infielders with the understanding that they can always move to the OF if the bat plays.

 

That's a very good point. I've wondered perhaps if Groshans could be moved to the outfield if necessary if there's not room on the infield once he's ready for MLB. I think another potential reason is that it's a bit difficult to find players with the requisite tools to play plus defence in the outfield who are also capable of actually hitting a baseball. So many of the raw toolsy prospects who are drafted as outfielders end up fizzling out in the minors, or can't hack it as major league regulars. Just for Jays instances alone Socrates Brito is a recent example, Anthony Alford comes to mind, DJ Davis is another who couldn't hack it in the lower minors.

[Jimcanuck]

Drafting guys that play in the middle of the diamond and moving them to the corners as they fill out and slow down is old as dirt.

[Spanky99]

Never thought about it like that but this could be exactly right. Most outfielders are just baseball players who couldn't stick on the dirt.

 

It's like saying "this system doesn't have enough reliever prospects!"

 

lol

[Spanky99]

Drafting guys that play in the middle of the diamond and moving them to the corners as they fill out and slow down is old as dirt.

 

Pussy!

[jerb]

 

Joe DeMayo

@PSLToFlushing

 

On Baseball Night in NY, @Jim_Duquette says he has heard the #BlueJays have made an aggressive 5 year offer to George Springer. However, that offer is not in the $150M range so it still may be awhile

[Jays24]

 

Joe DeMayo

@PSLToFlushing

 

On Baseball Night in NY, @Jim_Duquette says he has heard the #BlueJays have made an aggressive 5 year offer to George Springer. However, that offer is not in the $150M range so it still may be awhile

 

I think we're all happy it's not at the 5/150 range. 5/125 seems like where we're at.

 

Unfortunately I think it might take 6/150 for us to beat the Mets.

[RobinThicc]

Yeah it'll probably take that 6th year to pry him away from the Mets.

 

Maybe they'll be able to convince him this is a better situation for him. Fingers crossed.

[RobinThicc]

Convienent leak tho. Springers camp gets on NY radio essentially telling the Mets to up their offer through Duquette lol

[Jimcanuck]

The longer it goes without NYM signing Springer, the better I like the Jays chances.

[Jays24]

The longer it goes without NYM signing Springer, the better I like the Jays chances.

 

Ya, seems like Springer is giving the Mets all the chances to win this bidding war but the longer it takes, the more chance we might pull through here.

[Spanky99]

I think we're all happy it's not at the 5/150 range. 5/125 seems like where we're at.

 

Unfortunately I think it might take 6/150 for us to beat the Mets.

 

Either that, or a club option buyout at 10-12 million.

[Carlos Danger]

Either that, or a club option buyout at 10-12 million.

 

I think something like this...Maybe a mutual option.. Basically, between New York State taxes and Federal taxes, plus Ontario and Canada.. If it was a $9 million dollar difference, just to keep things simple lets take 50%. So, I don't think $4.5 moves the needle vs home team and Canada. Hence it would need to be a large enough amount after taxes etc to move the needle.. Which I estimate would be $10 MINIMUM and probably more..

[Jimcanuck]

Yes, a club option with a buyout, and front loading the value, would make sense to lure Springer here.

 

Something like $40, $35, $25, $20, $15, and option $15 (or $5 buyout)

[Carlos Danger]

Yes, a club option with a buyout, and front loading the value, would make sense to lure Springer here.

 

Something like $40, $35, $25, $20, $15, and option $15 (or $5 buyout)

 

That makes sense, but when I see those numbers I wish we had damn grass in our OF!!

[Spanky99]

That makes sense, but when I see those numbers I wish we had damn grass in our OF!!

 

I believe the NFL are going all turf as it's better for players.

 

MLB to follow...

[saskjayfan]

I believe the NFL are going all turf as it's better for players.

 

MLB to follow...

 

Turf technology has come a long way and turf is being replaced far more often. Day one of turf is far different than the same field 10 years later. Thankfully the Jays are replacing the turf this offseason, so we will have the best possible version of the turf day one of the season this year.

[RobinThicc]

I believe the NFL are going all turf as it's better for players.

 

MLB to follow...

Well the NFLPA is asking owners to switch to natural grass if they have turf.

 

 

https://apnews.com/article/nfl-football-archive-9b34d4402f2f82ae60708605f65aa560

[Carlos Danger]

Well the NFLPA is asking owners to switch to natural grass if they have turf.

 

 

https://apnews.com/article/nfl-football-archive-9b34d4402f2f82ae60708605f65aa560

 

 

Yup... I have heard this same tune about turf for 15-20 yrs now. This new turf is softer and yada, yada, yada... If you can do grass, do it! To me if you are talking about $150 m plus contract for an OF over 30, the ROI for grass install makes sense.

[Brownie19]

Yup... I have heard this same tune about turf for 15-20 yrs now. This new turf is softer and yada, yada, yada... If you can do grass, do it! To me if you are talking about $150 m plus contract for an OF over 30, the ROI for grass install makes sense.

 

[Carlos Danger]

 

Turf is an issue. Perception for players coming to TO and there is data as pointed out in the NFL article there is more injury risk. Not sure why this would not be/is not a consideration for a FA OF over 30 and a $150 m dollar investment?

[LGBJ29]

Turf is an issue. Perception for players coming to TO and there is data as pointed out in the NFL article there is more injury risk. Not sure why this would not be/is not a consideration for a FA OF over 30 and a $150 m dollar investment?

 

You do realize 3 more MLB teams installed turf prior to 2020 bringing the total to 5. One of whom was Texas in a brand new stadium. On top of that, with no proper drainage the cost of installing a grass system in the Rogers Centre is a lot more than people think, if it is even possible.