Around Baseball 2021

[TheHurl]

Baseball media is terrible 365 days a year...why are people choosing now to complain about the media!

[connorp]

Stunning + brave

 

I have a better reason why they should stop: it's stupid and annoying

 

It’s objectively better than the wave…and that seems to still be going strong

[BTS]

The level of complaining by the national baseball media this past week has been incredible. Game 1 was too long and "bad for baseball", but then the next two games were a more reasonable 3:11 and 3:24, so can't harp on that as much anymore. So let's focus on how racist the Chop/Atlanta is because Passan works for ESPN and the game is on Fox, so perfect time to virtue signal when it doesn't hurt the network. Once that doesn't work (the crowd chopped anyway), let's move on to how much of a crisis removing SP's from the game after 5 is, even when said starter didn't look all that good despite the no hits allowed and the decision actually worked perfectly. I mean I get it, baseball needs to make improvements in certain aspects of the game, and even I'm not the biggest fan of this World Series so far, but the level of complaining by the biggest names in the baseball media is ridiculous.

 

With that said, I am intrigued by the "double hook" idea because I think openers suck and I would like to see SP's in games longer, but there's a time and a place for that discussion. Not sure why they've decided to do it here.

 

I'm actually kind of intrigued about the idea of teams losing the DH after the SP is pulled. it incentivizes teams to find guys who can reliably go deep into games, and would basically eliminate the opener, which I see as a good thing.

 

Complaining about Anderson's hook last night is just ridiculous though.

[connorp]

Media has been all over the “starting pitching problem” this postseason. Last night’s game is an odd one to use as support for that point. Anderson through 76 pitches over 5 innings, didn’t look dominant at all, and the Braves won the game 2-0. Perfectly managed game IMO.

 

 

24/7 news cycle to blame. Don’t think it triggered most people like some previous Tampa games. If Anderson had given up one hit somewhere in there, it may not have even been a story. Coach was spot on and basically said he wasn’t pitching 9 innings…so if it was going to be a no-hitter, really didn’t matter if he went 5,6, or 7. Combined no-no is combined no-no

[Jimcanuck]

Or the DH replaced with another DH, or the pitcher hits from that point on.

 

Really though, there is nothing wrong with the game as it is in relation to the DH. I would be most concerned about any change that might lead to more pitcher injuries, and this is one of them.

[Abomination]

I'm actually kind of intrigued about the idea of teams losing the DH after the SP is pulled. it incentivizes teams to find guys who can reliably go deep into games, and would basically eliminate the opener, which I see as a good thing.

 

Complaining about Anderson's hook last night is just ridiculous though.

 

Huh. That is actually kind of interesting.

[King]

I'm actually kind of intrigued about the idea of teams losing the DH after the SP is pulled. it incentivizes teams to find guys who can reliably go deep into games, and would basically eliminate the opener, which I see as a good thing.

 

Complaining about Anderson's hook last night is just ridiculous though.

Kinda like that idea.

[John_Havok]

Kinda like that idea.

 

I don't see the need really. How would losing the DH after the SP is pulled incentivize finding starters than can go longer? There's already clear evidence that virtually EVERY pitcher gets worse the more times through the order they go. I'd be willing to bet decent amounts of money that even the best aces in baseball have a statistically significant dropoff in results the 3rd time through the order. Pitchers won't just suddenly be able to go deeper in games because the DH spot goes missing when they're pulled.

 

Look at the NL who doesn't even have a DH, SP get yanked all the time in prime scoring opportunities mid-game for a pinch hitter because scoring at that time is more important that the pitcher coming back out for the 6th inning to get 3 more outs that he might labour through.

[Show Hey]

Could they not just get rid of openers by making a rule that all pitchers on the roster must be classified as either SP or RP and only SP can start games?

 

Maybe there's a reason that wouldn't work. I don't know.

[Deadpool]

Could they not just get rid of openers by making a rule that all pitchers on the roster must be classified as either SP or RP and only SP can start games?

 

Maybe there's a reason that wouldn't work. I don't know.

 

They'd classify their "opener" pitchers as SP. That rule wouldn't prevent SPs from going 1-3 innings. Just means that pitcher couldn't be used later in games, but openers generally are used as openers.

[Abomination]

Look at the NL who doesn't even have a DH, SP get yanked all the time in prime scoring opportunities mid-game for a pinch hitter because scoring at that time is more important that the pitcher coming back out for the 6th inning to get 3 more outs that he might labour through.

 

Yes, but they're also upgrading their hitting at the same time in the NL (in almost every case at least). Losing the DH would do the opposite.

 

As for times through the order, you also have to factor in whether the guy you're bringing in is going to be more effective than the pitcher that's being replaced. Making these hard rules and arbitrary cutoffs is a gross misapplication of statistics.

[Show Hey]

They'd classify their "opener" pitchers as SP. That rule wouldn't prevent SPs from going 1-3 innings. Just means that pitcher couldn't be used later in games, but openers generally are used as openers.

 

Right. I'm thinking if they were only allowed to have 5 SP on the roster or something. Would teams still use one of those spots for a guy who's just an opener?

[Abomination]

Right. I'm thinking if they were only allowed to have 5 SP on the roster or something. Would teams still use one of those spots for a guy who's just an opener?

 

Sure. He'd just start 3 games a week and go one inning a start. I don't think you can easily make a rule to regulate it. Losing the DH actually makes some good sense without doing anything too groundbreaking to the game.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I hate the idea of losing the DH when you take your starter out.

 

So your starter gets his s*** pushed in forcing you to take him out and now you lose one of your best f***ing hitters reducing your ability to come back and win?

 

Awful idea

[Spanky__99]

Peta doesn't seem to usually care about insects. They mostly care about anything that's remotely cute and cuddly. Their donations must be down again. I still remember them complaining about people killing wildlife in WOW.

 

lol... really?

[John_Havok]

Yes, but they're also upgrading their hitting at the same time in the NL (in almost every case at least). Losing the DH would do the opposite.

 

As for times through the order, you also have to factor in whether the guy you're bringing in is going to be more effective than the pitcher that's being replaced. Making these hard rules and arbitrary cutoffs is a gross misapplication of statistics.

 

What’s arbitrary about it? That would imply there’s no data to support why they remove the starters earlier than they used to, which is not the case. It’s never arbitrary

[John_Havok]

lol... really?

 

Sort of. There was a zone that had baby seals in it and PETA staged an in game fight to prevent those seals from being killed in order to protest real world seal hunting

[Spanky__99]

Didn't realize there was a problem. If only there was some way to prove that the longer you leave a pitcher in the game, the worse his results get. It's unfortunate this kind of information isn't readily available to the masses because if it was it may lead to a better understanding of the game.

 

Hahahaha... well done.

[Abomination]

What’s arbitrary about it? That would imply there’s no data to support why they remove the starters earlier than they used to, which is not the case. It’s never arbitrary

 

Arbitrary in predetermining a situation based on something like batters faced. A player's individual performance is not taken into account in that scenario. For example, a pitcher can vary by several MPH in their velocity (or vary in other things such as spin rate) given how they're feeling or how the weather changes a given day. I somewhat get it. I mean, many managers probably don't have the ability to deal with anything more than absolutes during a game. This is really the same thing as a manager bringing in any lefty to face a lefty just because they're a lefty.

[Boxcar]

What’s arbitrary about it? That would imply there’s no data to support why they remove the starters earlier than they used to, which is not the case. It’s never arbitrary

 

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

[John_Havok]

Arbitrary in predetermining a situation based on something like batters faced. A player's individual performance is not taken into account in that scenario. For example, a pitcher can vary by several MPH in their velocity (or vary in other things such as spin rate) given how they're feeling or how the weather changes a given day. I somewhat get it. I mean, many managers probably don't have the ability to deal with anything more than absolutes during a game. This is really the same thing as a manager bringing in any lefty to face a lefty just because they're a lefty.

 

I don’t think they deal in absolutes, they’re just making decisions in a given situation where the numbers dictate they should do something, and truthfully, the only alternative is the managers gut feeling. And let’s not pretend that the aces and a lot of #2s in baseball are still given lots of leeway in when they are taken out. It’s usually the mid and backend guys that get yanked earlier because they already have a larger degree of drop off in results as the game wears on.

 

I think the real issue here is that people have rosy memories about “that guy” who gutted out that one start even though he was getting hit around, never gave up a run and went as far as he could before the pen took over with the bases loaded and that guy came in and put out the fire. It was tense, gut wrenching, so emotional. Emotional memories are far more powerful than the ones that aren’t accompanied by that. That’s why fans in general don’t like blowout playoff games in any sport, they like low scoring tense games because they form more vivid and emotional memories.

[max silver]

Sort of. There was a zone that had baby seals in it and PETA staged an in game fight to prevent those seals from being killed in order to protest real world seal hunting

 

PETA probably loved this particular scene from the classic Weird Al comedy UHF:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=063wANsIjmE

[Deadpool]

[John_Havok]

PETA probably loved this particular scene from the classic Weird Al comedy UHF:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=063wANsIjmE

 

You’ve taken 1 giant step up in my books for that reference. Extremely underrated comedy that was just ahead of its time

[BigCecil]

Fan bases all over the world have chants or actions that others view as dumb but the home fans love. That's what makes sports teams home stadiums, rinks, etc unique and memorable.

 

No s*** JH? The Chop is dumb and annoying for a lot of reasons. Its not just your avg dumb fan thing IMO. Last night it made me happy they don't get to see their team win a ring at home. And i want the Braves to win it all.

[connorp]

No s*** JH? The Chop is dumb and annoying for a lot of reasons. Its not just your avg dumb fan thing IMO. Last night it made me happy they don't get to see their team win a ring at home. And i want the Braves to win it all.

 

I don’t think it dumb at all. Just be honest and say it’s racist and you don’t like it. As a fan of another team, of course you’re not going to break it out at a game, or admit it’s cool. But if you grew up a Braves fan and you’re at a game with some beers if you, you’d be doing it unless it’s a PC thing for you

[connorp]

I’m actually not the type that would do it at regular season game but could see me and my son getting into it at a playoff game

[Deadpool]

You’ve taken 1 giant step up in my books for that reference. Extremely underrated comedy that was just ahead of its time

 

Fun fact: The VHS copy was made from red plastic. Very neat! (Obviously, I owned it...)

[John_Havok]

Fun fact: The VHS copy was made from red plastic. Very neat! (Obviously, I owned it...)

 

Best joke in whole movie is when the two Asian guys jumped out of the broom closet and yelled “Supplies!”

[FantasyNewb]

Best joke in whole movie is when the two Asian guys jumped out of the broom closet and yelled “Supplies!”

 

That's racist.