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[Stangstag]

Can you help me understand this mentality? It's horseshit that they have Baz? It's horseshit they didn't call Baz up earlier? It's horseshit they can win 100 games without using Baz? I mean I'm sure Glasnow would have been the Game 1 starter if he didn't get hurt.

 

I get that people don't think TB is 'good for baseball' because they never keep home grown talent, which may hurt their ability to appeal to the casual Rays fan. I don't understand why people hate TB because they look outside the box to find efficiencies that allow them to win year after year after year without a large payroll. You'd rather they just play traditional baseball and suck balls?

 

I guess in my mind, when you see a playoff game you want to see NAMES. Like, big name players battling it out. Look at the Wildcard pitching matchups. Look at the guys the other playoff teams are starting.

 

Baz is obviously a super intriguing prospect, but im confused as to how he is their best option to go in game 2.

 

I can't really articulate exactly why it makes me angry, and if you disagree with my viewpoint then thats fine. I just don't understand how they won 100 games but they're starting a guy they called up 2 weeks ago in a playoff game when they had lots of time to rest guys and play good matchups.

[G-Snarls]

I guess in my mind, when you see a playoff game you want to see NAMES. Like, big name players battling it out. Look at the Wildcard pitching matchups. Look at the guys the other playoff teams are starting.

 

Baz is obviously a super intriguing prospect, but im confused as to how he is their best option to go in game 2.

 

I can't really articulate exactly why it makes me angry, and if you disagree with my viewpoint then thats fine. I just don't understand how they won 100 games but they're starting a guy they called up 2 weeks ago in a playoff game when they had lots of time to rest guys and play good matchups.

 

I have mixed feelings

 

1. They're doing it (pitching Baz in game 2) because they think this gives them the best chance to win the series. Simple as that. They may or may not be right. But they're usually right LOL

 

2. It's exciting to see the big name guys like Scherzer and Cole and Wainwright all go in win-or-go home games I agree.

 

3. It's also very intriguing to see what a rookie can do in the post season. It's a huge story of he pitches great and they win OR if he gets hit around and sucks.

 

Tampa is what they are. They do it the Rays way, like it or not. I find it interesting, nothing more or less.

Edited October 7, 2021 by G-Snarls

[Spanky__99]

I remember people posting Richard Rodriguez trades. Guy put up a cool -0.5 WAR, 6 FIP and 3 K/9 in 26 innings with the Braves.

 

I remember saying FYSMC to picking up the obvious spider tack abuser. Same thing in fantasy leagues, lol.

[Brownie19]

I guess in my mind, when you see a playoff game you want to see NAMES. Like, big name players battling it out. Look at the Wildcard pitching matchups. Look at the guys the other playoff teams are starting.

 

Baz is obviously a super intriguing prospect, but im confused as to how he is their best option to go in game 2.

 

I can't really articulate exactly why it makes me angry, and if you disagree with my viewpoint then thats fine. I just don't understand how they won 100 games but they're starting a guy they called up 2 weeks ago in a playoff game when they had lots of time to rest guys and play good matchups.

 

Fair enough. I get that it makes you angry they win without a super rotation or even a lineup full of superstars when the Jays had both this year and finished 4th. I think the feeling is actually jealousy because we can't figure out how they do it. We have the AL Cy Young winner and the AL MVP runner up and 2nd runner up and we can't win 100 games.

 

I too like the big name matchups - but I'm really excited to watch Baz pitch.

[Spanky__99]

Can you help me understand this mentality? It's horseshit that they have Baz? It's horseshit they didn't call Baz up earlier? It's horseshit they can win 100 games without using Baz? I mean I'm sure Glasnow would have been the Game 1 starter if he didn't get hurt.

 

I get that people don't think TB is 'good for baseball' because they never keep home grown talent, which may hurt their ability to appeal to the casual Rays fan. I don't understand why people hate TB because they look outside the box to find efficiencies that allow them to win year after year after year without a large payroll. You'd rather they just play traditional baseball and suck balls?

 

They're a well oiled machine over there, the development team is 2nd to none. If anything I'm jelly of that org, they do need to get out of ST. Pete, but that's another story entirely. Imagine that team with money, frightening.

[Stangstag]

Fair enough. I get that it makes you angry they win without a super rotation or even a lineup full of superstars when the Jays had both this year and finished 4th. I think the feeling is actually jealousy because we can't figure out how they do it. We have the AL Cy Young winner and the AL MVP runner up and 2nd runner up and we can't win 100 games.

 

I too like the big name matchups - but I'm really excited to watch Baz pitch.

 

Definitely true

[Spanky__99]

Uhmm... Baz is going to be carving lineups up for years to come, his talent is what we want to see in Pearson? The kid's excellent. I look at that teams arms in the post above and just *smh* As Cash said in the past... I have a whole stable of arms that chuck gas.

[King]

Stroman has spent his entire Monday morning on twitter going after a random college kid for saying if he wants 25 mil a year, to let him walk.

 

Name search of course, because the kid didn't tag him.

 

Someone needs to take his phone away ASAP

[keggy]

This is why the Rays are a horseshit franchise. Win 100 games and who gets the start in game 2? A rookie with 13 innings pitched in the major leagues. Ridiculous.

 

It's not like they're leaning on TJ Zeuch out there, Baz is an elite talent. It's okay to put rookies in the spotlight if they have elite talent.

 

David Price was pitching meaningful innings for the Rays in the World Series basically straight out of college and it worked.

[King]

 

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[Spanky__99]

 

???

 

The comments are funny.

[BTS]

Baseball Twitter is basically just a parody of itself now. I feel bad for people like Passan having to navigate the minefield.

 

[Deadpool]

Baseball Twitter is basically just a parody of itself now. I feel bad for people like Passan having to navigate the minefield.

 

 

I mean, that was INCREDIBLY poor phrasing, that's very much something he should be called out for.

[BTS]

I mean, that was INCREDIBLY poor phrasing, that's very much something he should be called out for.

 

Strongly disagree. The meaning and intent of the tweet were very clear to any potential reader, and a baseball writer should be able to draw attention to the on-field implications of a DV suspension without a disclaimer that DV is very bad. The criticism of him is uncharitable.

[z3r0s]

Strongly disagree. The meaning and intent of the tweet were very clear to any potential reader, and a baseball writer should be able to draw attention to the on-field implications of a DV suspension without a disclaimer that DV is very bad. The criticism of him is uncharitable.

 

But BTS, how will we understand that DV is bad if we are not told any time it comes up?

[Stangstag]

I mean, that was INCREDIBLY poor phrasing, that's very much something he should be called out for.

 

How so?

[RustyTrombone]

Stroman has spent his entire Monday morning on twitter going after a random college kid for saying if he wants 25 mil a year, to let him walk.

 

Name search of course, because the kid didn't tag him.

 

Someone needs to take his phone away ASAP

 

Stroman is Bauer 2.0 but black so he gets to get away with all the s*** he pulls on social media. Smart teams will stay away from him to avoid a fiasco.

[glory]

I mean, that was INCREDIBLY poor phrasing, that's very much something he should be called out for.

 

Disagree completely. I don't even think it was poorly worded or easily misinterpreted. He stated a fact. It was an incident of alleged domestic violence. He didn't condone or make light of it. He didn't minimize it. He just said it happened and it was the reason for Ozuna's absence.

 

I'm not surprised people called him out for it. That's what Twitter does. It's a small minority, but it has the loudest voice. Passan did what he had to do to appease the bullies and it's done now while accomplishing nothing.

[John_Havok]

How so?

 

Just an example:

 

"What a great story Atlanta is. Lost 3 key pieces of the team due to injury and off-field issues. Could have folded. Could have played for 2022. Went for it. And now Atlanta is in the NLCS."

[BTS]

Just an example:

 

"What a great story Atlanta is. Lost 3 key pieces of the team due to injury and off-field issues. Could have folded. Could have played for 2022. Went for it. And now Atlanta is in the NLCS."

 

There's a 100% chance he would have been criticized for using "off-field issues" as a sanitized euphemism for DV and had to issue exactly the same apology.

[John_Havok]

There's a 100% chance he would have been criticized for using "off-field issues" as a sanitized euphemism for DV and had to issue exactly the same apology.

 

Probably, and I agree the criticism is unwarranted for the most part.

[Jimcanuck]

Stroman is Bauer 2.0 but black so he gets to get away with all the s*** he pulls on social media. Smart teams will stay away from him to avoid a fiasco.

 

Are you really equating Stroman with Bauer, or is this a joke?

[Deadpool]

Strongly disagree. The meaning and intent of the tweet were very clear to any potential reader, and a baseball writer should be able to draw attention to the on-field implications of a DV suspension without a disclaimer that DV is very bad. The criticism of him is uncharitable.

 

The passive voice of "a domestic violence incident" is very minimizing and makes it sound like something just happened to him, rather than him being the (alleged) perpetrator of a violent crime. It's like saying Michael Vick was suspended because of a disobedient dog.

[Olerud363]

The passive voice of "a domestic violence incident" is very minimizing and makes it sound like something just happened to him, rather than him being the (alleged) perpetrator of a violent crime. It's like saying Michael Vick was suspended because of a disobedient dog.

 

No. It's likes saying 'Michael Vick was suspended for animal cruelty', or even 'Michael Vick was suspended for violent acts against an animal'

 

He used the word 'domestic violence', he literally described it as literal as possible. He used the word violence, violence is bad.

 

The equivalent of saying 'Michael Vick was suspended because of a disobedient dog', would be 'Ozuna was suspended because of a disobedient wife'. And he did not say anything close to that.

[z3r0s]

The passive voice of "a domestic violence incident" is very minimizing and makes it sound like something just happened to him, rather than him being the (alleged) perpetrator of a violent crime. It's like saying Michael Vick was suspended because of a disobedient dog.

 

Give us the right wording DP. Take a stab at it.

[glory]

The passive voice of "a domestic violence incident" is very minimizing and makes it sound like something just happened to him, rather than him being the (alleged) perpetrator of a violent crime. It's like saying Michael Vick was suspended because of a disobedient dog.

 

If he were to describe Vick the same way he described Ozuna, then it would have been something like "lost Vick due to dog fighting investigation", which would have also been fine. Nothing Passan said came close to mentioning or marginalizing the victim as much as "disobedient dog" would have. It's apples and oranges.

[connorp]

Are you really equating Stroman with Bauer, or is this a joke?

 

Well, there is the thought of some that considered Bauer’s douchebaggery to be a red flag prior to the allegations, so in that sense it seems fair.

[Brownie19]

Well, there is the thought of some that considered Bauer’s douchebaggery to be a red flag prior to the allegations, so in that sense it seems fair.

 

C'mon man, you can't stereotype all douchebags as sexual assailants. There are all kinds of different douchebags in this world.

[Laika]

The passive voice of "a domestic violence incident" is very minimizing and makes it sound like something just happened to him, rather than him being the (alleged) perpetrator of a violent crime. It's like saying Michael Vick was suspended because of a disobedient dog.

 

You are making the wrong point.

 

If anything Passan's tweet was bad because of placing the "what a great story Atlanta is" before the Ozuna DV reference.

 

People hate it when a team or player is framed as persevering past stuff like that.

[connorp]

C'mon man, you can't stereotype all douchebags as sexual assailants. There are all kinds of different douchebags in this world.

 

Nah. I’m only half-defending. I’m just saying for instance if Stroman was accused of the more common typical DV incident, people would be like “oh, should’ve seen this coming, the guy is a Grade A douche bag”…

 

Is that really fair judging on Twitter activity and public comments? Prob not but it’s the reality