Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[Jays24]

Okay so now we got our FA starter we need a 3B (La Stella) and a CF (JBJ). A couple of BP arms and good to go.

 

My reaction if that's our offseason

[Key22]

If an impact player like Springer is signed it's not like he's only around for only 2021. Much like the Ryu signing he will be with the club for many years to come in the future. On one hand you portray doom and gloom about how bad the existing roster is, but then you also advocate for signing mediocre veterans like Jackie Bradley Jr. who will do very little to actually improving the clubs chance to win. Waiting around for the future wastes a chance to continue building the roster today. Team payroll is incredibly low, and there looks to be a chance to obtain some nice upgrades through free agency. Why pull the rug out from under the young core instead of supplementing the roster and giving them the chance to vault into contention?

 

Yes your argument is sound - sign a top guy and maybe another one in 2021 offseason to be ready for 2022. The problem as I see it is if we take the other poster's view that Biggio is terrific and can only play 2B, Bo loves SS and we should keep him happy, and martin is going to be a stud in 2022 - then I don't see the point of Springer.

 

In other words if the guys we have in house are studs by 2022 then the only positions we should really try to fill are the ones where we kind of suck. Assming we did nothing on the position front would the team not be something like

 

2022

 

Bichette SS

Biggio 2B

Martin CF

Vlad 1B

Tellez DH

Teoscar RF

Lourdes Gurriel Jr LF

Jansen C

Groshans 3B

 

Since the start of the offseason, my preference has been to get JTR over anyone because I think it's far harder to get an elite catcher than an outfielder who probably won't be in CF in 2024 (some have remarked that he is very soon to a corner outfielder spot and they don't want to pay CF money to a LF) JTR and JBJ I like more than Springer and Jansen. Granted it also all depends on who is willing to come here. Nobody of note so far.

[max silver]

Yes your argument is sound - sign a top guy and maybe another one in 2021 offseason to be ready for 2022. The problem as I see it is if we take the other poster's view that Biggio is terrific and can only play 2B, Bo loves SS and we should keep him happy, and martin is going to be a stud in 2022 - then I don't see the point of Springer.

 

In other words if the guys we have in house are studs by 2022 then the only positions we should really try to fill are the ones where we kind of suck. Assming we did nothing on the position front would the team not be something like

 

2022

 

Bichette SS

Biggio 2B

Martin CF

Vlad 1B

Tellez DH

Teoscar RF

Lourdes Gurriel Jr LF

Jansen C

Groshans 3B

 

Since the start of the offseason, my preference has been to get JTR over anyone because I think it's far harder to get an elite catcher than an outfielder who probably won't be in CF in 2024 (some have remarked that he is very soon to a corner outfielder spot and they don't want to pay CF money to a LF) JTR and JBJ I like more than Springer and Jansen. Granted it also all depends on who is willing to come here. Nobody of note so far.

 

I'm very optimistic about Martin's future potential as well, but I think it's a bit premature to assume that he can be a good quality major league center fielder. If he does end up being better than Springer in a year or two, you can move Springer to a corner and likely receive plus defence along with a 130 WRC+ bat. That's still a very valuable player, and at that point either Gurriel Teoscar can be moved out to upgrade another area of need (assuming he continues with his offensive breakout). Having "too many" good players is a very good problem to have.

 

I like the idea of a Realmuto signing. If the Jays strike out on good free agent pitchers then upgrading two up the middle defensive positions with well rounded stars would be a good fallback option. Adding Springer and Realmuto would greatly upgrade two key positions on the diamond, then some of the good young catching depth can be moved out as necessary.

[jaysguy44]

It's honestly comical at this point that people get their hopes up when they hear Jays "rumors".

 

Springer isn't signing in Toronto

[The Iceman]

^^^Disagree^^^

Agreed that Toronto isn't Springers 1st choice but $$$ makes a so so option very appealing.

[Grant77]

What would you guys think of an offseason where we get Springer, Charlwood, Yates, and one short term fix like Tanaka or Turner, but not both. I would probably be pretty happy.

[L54]

What would you guys think of an offseason where we get Springer, Charlwood, Yates, and one short term fix like Tanaka or Turner, but not both. I would probably be pretty happy.

 

Great offseason. Pretty much exactly what I expect to happen.

[Jays24]

What would you guys think of an offseason where we get Springer, Charlwood, Yates, and one short term fix like Tanaka or Turner, but not both. I would probably be pretty happy.

 

Great offseason. Pretty much exactly what I expect to happen.

 

That would be a great offseason. Shatkins have repeated that they won't be able to plug every hole in one offseason but doing that would plug some of them at least.

 

Best realistic case scenario would be Springer, Walker and one of Bryant/Turner.

[connorp]

What would you guys think of an offseason where we get Springer, Charlwood, Yates, and one short term fix like Tanaka or Turner, but not both. I would probably be pretty happy.

 

They should really get one non-lottery ticket SP- Tanaka, Paxton, Odorizzi.. but I wouldn’t be complaining with the above

[Orgfiller]

That would be a great offseason. Shatkins have repeated that they won't be able to plug every hole in one offseason but doing that would plug some of them at least.

 

Best realistic case scenario would be Springer, Walker and one of Bryant/Turner.

 

Walker wouldn't be a better addition than Tanaka or Paxton. Hell I don't think he'd be better than any of Porcello, Odorizzi, Shoemaker, Happ, Quintana or Chris Archer who would all cost similar or less and likely produce more.

[wilko]

I'd be going after Paxton. Low risk probably high reward if he is healthy. It's not like he has a s*** load of miles on his arm either.

[Jays24]

Walker wouldn't be a better addition than Tanaka or Paxton. Hell I don't think he'd be better than any of Porcello, Odorizzi, Shoemaker, Happ, Quintana or Chris Archer who would all cost similar or less and likely produce more.

 

I didn't mean to say Walker is better than any of those guys. I thought we'd spend a bit less on Walker so we could still upgrade 3B with Turner/Bryant. That's why I said best realistic case scenario. Heck, gimme Bauer, Springer, Bryant if can wish like that.

 

For the record, I love Shoemaker and feel he's a great buy low candidate. Guy just needs to stay healthy.

[G-Snarls]

What would you guys think of an offseason where we get Springer, Charlwood, Yates, and one short term fix like Tanaka or Turner, but not both. I would probably be pretty happy.

 

I would be very happy with that

 

Then we address the infield next offseason or at the trade deadline

 

The supply/demand ratio will be in our favour and we'll know more about where Vlad and Martin sit long term

[max silver]

What would you guys think of an offseason where we get Springer, Charlwood, Yates, and one short term fix like Tanaka or Turner, but not both. I would probably be pretty happy.

 

I could certainly live with that. Hopefully some infield help is acquired before the offseason is finished, Turner would be great but a cheaper addition would be fine to paper things over for a season. I was hoping for an impact starter to be added by trade or free agency, but most available options are gone at this point.

[G-Snarls]

Suppose I want to sign a shortstop next off season

 

How would you guys rank

 

Lindor

Baez

Story

Correa

Seager (added after helpful reminder)

 

(In terms of how good they'll be over the next several years)

 

And who might be had for the best bang for the buck contract

 

2 or 3 could also be traded at the deadline. If any of the Cubs Stros and Rockies are out of contention they might be better off trading rather than let them walk for a QO comp pick. Of course it's also possible that some of them get kept with a contract extension from their current team before they hit free agency.

Edited January 19, 2021 by G-Snarls

[max silver]

Suppose I want to sign a shortstop next off season

 

How would you guys rank

 

Lindor

Baez

Story

Correa

 

(In terms of how good they'll be over the next several years)

 

And who might be had for the best bang for the buck contract

 

Can't forget about Seager as well in the top free agent shortstop targets.

 

I'd rank the shortstops as:

 

1. Francisco Lindor - probably best defender of this bunch, question marks with the bat have me pondering switching him with Story, very close 1-2 for me

2. Trevor Story - very well rounded game, speed/power defence all rolled into one

3. Corey Seager - possibly best bat of all of these players, but most likely to have to move off of short stop

4. Carlos Correa - awesome player when he's healthy, great bat and glove, but drops for me since he misses so much time due to injury

5. Javier Baez - super flashy glove, but too many questions with the bat due to high K low BB approach

 

I have a hard time choosing who will be best bang for buck contract, first 4 players all have perennial 4+ win upside and will get paid accordingly. I suspect Lindor will be worst bang for buck though due to having the most name recognition among this group, he will almost certainly obtain a true superstar contract that he may have a hard time living up to as he ages.

[G-Snarls]

Good points

 

Can the Dodgers afford to keep both Bellinger and Seager or do they have to pick one. They have money but the front office is shrewd not foolish.

[RobinThicc]

Good points

 

Can the Dodgers afford to keep both Bellinger and Seager or do they have to pick one. They have money but the front office is shrewd not foolish.

Not sure, but I remember Passan earlier this offseason saying that he fully expects the Dodgers to have one of those guys, whether thats re-signing Seager or signing one of the other big names. So I guess they'll have the budget.

 

I want to say it was also Passan who speculated that the Giants and Tigers could also be players for one of those guys, but that could've been someone else.

[z3r0s]

My rankings are the same Max

[Jays24]

Chances are slim that all those SS's hit the open market in my eyes. I'd expect to see at least a few of them re-signed before they even get to free agency. Mainly Stager, Lindor and probably Correa too with Springer most likely leaving.

[Laika]

Seager > Lindor >> Correa > Story >>> Baez

 

Baez is clearly the 5th talent. He is in tier 3.

 

Story is a bit overrated as a hitter (Coors) and there are mild K concerns as he ages.

 

Correa has scuffled a bit in the last couple of years and had injury problems. I think he's fine but that puts him below Seager/Lindor. Correa is two years younger than Story though, which is the main difference for me between then. Not a huge gap for me between Correa and Story - they make up tier 2.

 

Lindor is an excellent defender and well-rounded, without glaring injury or strikeout concerns. Has the best single season of the whole bunch. I have a lot of confidence that he will age gracefully.

 

I think Seager is the best all things considered. I think he's the best hitter of the bunch. He's still only 26. I don't really care that he probably moves to 3B at some point - he might be a slugging 3B when Lindor is a light hitting shortstop.

 

Seager and Lindor is super close. Near coin-flip.

[Brownie19]

Suppose I want to sign a shortstop next off season

 

How would you guys rank

 

Lindor

Baez

Story

Correa

Seager (added after helpful reminder)

 

(In terms of how good they'll be over the next several years)

 

And who might be had for the best bang for the buck contract

 

2 or 3 could also be traded at the deadline. If any of the Cubs Stros and Rockies are out of contention they might be better off trading rather than let them walk for a QO comp pick. Of course it's also possible that some of them get kept with a contract extension from their current team before they hit free agency.

 

Lindor

Seager

Story

Correa

Baez

 

I'm going Seager over Story because he's a year and a half younger, has a better bat and doesn't have the Coors Field effect (not sure if it's real, but I'm putting some weight into it).

 

Correa is 2 years younger than Baez - giving him the edge (I'd probably still give Correa the edge, although they both have their own warts).

 

Edit - Laika beat me to the age argument...

[DigitalRock]

I'm expecting Springer to sign with the Mets, Jats usually lose out due to Geography

[Jays24]

I'm expecting Springer to sign with the Mets, Jats usually lose out due to Geography

 

You should pay a visit to the Springer thread lol

[Krylian]

I'm expecting Springer to sign with the Mets, Jats usually lose out due to Geography

 

Reverse psychology....

 

... Well done.

[DigitalRock]

Reverse psychology....

 

... Well done.

 

I try.

[connorp]

#BREAKING

 

George Springer: "I was going to sign with the #METS, but then their GM sent me a dick shot.”

 

Kind of a cheesy softball but still funny

 

I’m an old man and don’t know how to embed tweets

[Carlos Danger]

Now pitching, pitching and pitching!

 

PS: Trade Grichuk.

[THANOS]

So we out on Bauer now?

[Deadpool]

So we out on Bauer now?

 

I don't see why. I mean, he might want more than they're willing to pay, but they have lots of room on the payroll to fit both if they wanted to.