Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[Spanky99]

I mean, there are still no other realistic suitors for Springer, so as much as I would probably be okay around either of those numbers, there's no sense raising your bid when there's zero competition.

 

I just posted about this, they don't have to per se, but just muscling to get your target and offer 6/135, I'd be down with that.

[RobinThicc]

I mean, there are still no other realistic suitors for Springer, so as much as I would probably be okay around either of those numbers, there's no sense raising your bid when there's zero competition.

 

They'd be dumb to think theres no competition for Springer.

[connorp]

I just posted about this, they don't have to per se, but just muscling to get your target and offer 6/135, I'd be down with that.

 

6/135 isn’t coming hard in the paint. It’s something they could put on the table. He’ll likely wait a bit if that’s the case to see who his choices would be. No WS contender looking at him is going to take JBJ instead as the missing piece they need, except maybe the Mets as they’ve upgraded big elsewhere

[Spanky99]

6/135 isn’t coming hard in the paint. It’s something they could put on the table. He’ll likely wait a bit if that’s the case to see who his choices would be. No WS contender looking at him is going to take JBJ instead as the missing piece they need, except maybe the Mets as they’ve upgraded big elsewhere

 

Yeah, that's fine, your opinion, we'll see. I haven't heard of any other team aside from the Mets in on him, and their likely out.

[WryNGinger]

I don't post here a lot but after reading a few posts in this thread I think there is a myopic trend. There are discussions about free agent player A and player B signing for multiple years with other teams and the Blue not signing them. If 4-6 year offers are what it takes to land these guys, why would they do it if they think their internal options MIGHT produce the same or similar results within a year or two? Groshan, Martins etc have a good chance to out-produce whomever they sign in year 2+. Unless the payers they are after sign for 2-3 years I am ok with them leaving the team as is. Realistically, what position on the team can anyone say is solid for 2+ years? LF? Everywhere else should be up for competition.

[Jimcanuck]

I don't post here a lot but after reading a few posts in this thread I think there is a myopic trend. There are discussions about free agent player A and player B signing for multiple years with other teams and the Blue not signing them. If 4-6 year offers are what it takes to land these guys, why would they do it if they think their internal options MIGHT produce the same or similar results within a year or two? Groshan, Martins etc have a good chance to out-produce whomever they sign in year 2+. Unless the payers they are after sign for 2-3 years I am ok with them leaving the team as is. Realistically, what position on the team can anyone say is solid for 2+ years? LF? Everywhere else should be up for competition.

 

I think most here recognize the Jays are in a very good position, with the exception the pitching side is a bit weak both on the club and on the farm.

 

Then there are others that want to sign everyone and accelerate the competitive window, in the process potentially shortening it (by long expensive contracts).

[saskjayfan]

I mean, there are still no other realistic suitors for Springer, so as much as I would probably be okay around either of those numbers, there's no sense raising your bid when there's zero competition.

 

The Atlanta Braves are sitting at 120 mil in payroll. The Giants are losing almost their entire payroll at the end of the season. Now is not the time to get cute on Springer. Teams can jump in and steal him if you try and get cute.

[saskjayfan]

I think most here recognize the Jays are in a very good position, with the exception the pitching side is a bit weak both on the club and on the farm.

 

Then there are others that want to sign everyone and accelerate the competitive window, in the process potentially shortening it (by long expensive contracts).

 

Shapiro came out and told everyone that would listen that he was hopeful to get one or two impact free agents. He is part of the group that wants to accelerate the competitive window. I don't know how you shorten it by signing free agents. You keep all your prospects.

[THANOS]

Shapiro came out and told everyone that would listen that he was hopeful to get one or two impact free agents. He is part of the group that wants to accelerate the competitive window. I don't know how you shorten it by signing free agents. You keep all your prospects.

 

And can potentially trade away the FAs you just signed if competition from cheaper prospects deems them expendable. No reason why you can't do that!

[saskjayfan]

And can potentially trade away the FAs you just signed if competition from cheaper prospects deems them expendable. No reason why you can't do that!

 

If the Jays paid Springer 5 and 250. Obviously not going to happen, just illustrating a point. Next year our payroll would be 85 million committed. We'd still have room to add multiple guys and his deal would expire when the same year Vlad, Bo and Cavan become free agents.

 

5 and 135 for springer. Make it happen. 6 and 150 if you have to. You can front load some of the contract.

[Jimcanuck]

Shapiro came out and told everyone that would listen that he was hopeful to get one or two impact free agents. He is part of the group that wants to accelerate the competitive window. I don't know how you shorten it by signing free agents. You keep all your prospects.

 

Of course he does, as long as it makes sense to do so.

 

Maintaining some level of financial flexibility is important. Injuries happen - Jays sign Bauer and he needs TJS, salary is still on the books. Vladdy could hit 50 HR in 2021 and it makes sense to buy out some free agent years now.

 

Shatkins doesnt want to be reckless, and doesn't want to be too cautious either. It's a balance.

[L54]

Shapiro came out and told everyone that would listen that he was hopeful to get one or two impact free agents. He is part of the group that wants to accelerate the competitive window. I don't know how you shorten it by signing free agents. You keep all your prospects.

 

You shorten your window by loading up on expensive free agents who then cripple the financial flexibility you once had. It’s not hard and it happens fast - and unless you can dump on a team like Boston it’s tough to climb out of.

[Grant77]

Shapiro came out and told everyone that would listen that he was hopeful to get one or two impact free agents. He is part of the group that wants to accelerate the competitive window. I don't know how you shorten it by signing free agents. You keep all your prospects.

 

The Cubs are a bit of a cautionary tale when it comes to ruining a good young team with bad contracts. Epstein drained the farm system, added a bunch of bad long term money and then quit. If they didn't have one nice playoff run, it would be perceived more like the Anthopoulos era in Toronto and vise versa had we won a Championship.

[glory]

I don't post here a lot but after reading a few posts in this thread I think there is a myopic trend. There are discussions about free agent player A and player B signing for multiple years with other teams and the Blue not signing them. If 4-6 year offers are what it takes to land these guys, why would they do it if they think their internal options MIGHT produce the same or similar results within a year or two? Groshan, Martins etc have a good chance to out-produce whomever they sign in year 2+. Unless the payers they are after sign for 2-3 years I am ok with them leaving the team as is. Realistically, what position on the team can anyone say is solid for 2+ years? LF? Everywhere else should be up for competition.

 

I think it's a fair argument that if the Jays were to overpay for a FA it should be for Bauer and not a position player based on the way the team and system is set up. I guess it depends on what Bauer wants compared to Springer.

[Funky]

It’s crappy excitement wise that we have only signed Ray. But our two biggest needs are still out there in Bauer and Springer.

 

Signing 1 of the 2 is an off-season win. Still a lot of questions to work out on this team.

 

Is Vlad able to nail down and play a position . Are Teoscar and Lourdes real, will they continue to get better and solidify our outfield corners.

 

What is Tellez? Can he be this years Teoscar.

 

Will Pearson be a capable and quality starter this year or are we a few years out. I love the promise.

 

Bauer has warts but a 1-2 of Ryu and Bauer gives us a playoffs punching chance the next 3 years. If Pearson hits expectations that is a nasty trio.

 

Springer solidifies both offense and Defence. Veteran guy on a young team.

 

I won’t be too disappointed unless we don’t land 1 of these two

[Jays24]

It’s crappy excitement wise that we have only signed Ray. But our two biggest needs are still out there in Bauer and Springer.

 

Signing 1 of the 2 is an off-season win. Still a lot of questions to work out on this team.

 

Is Vlad able to nail down and play a position . Are Teoscar and Lourdes real, will they continue to get better and solidify our outfield corners.

 

What is Tellez? Can he be this years Teoscar.

 

Will Pearson be a capable and quality starter this year or are we a few years out. I love the promise.

 

Bauer has warts but a 1-2 of Ryu and Bauer gives us a playoffs punching chance the next 3 years. If Pearson hits expectations that is a nasty trio.

 

Springer solidifies both offense and Defence. Veteran guy on a young team.

 

I won’t be too disappointed unless we don’t land 1 of these two

 

Exactly where I stand. It all comes down to Springer or Bauer at this stage. I think we'll be able to add 2 2nd tier/3rd tier guys without an issue but the real impact will come from one of those two.

[G-Snarls]

Exactly where I stand. It all comes down to Springer or Bauer at this stage. I think we'll be able to add 2 2nd tier/3rd tier guys without an issue but the real impact will come from one of those two.

 

Telling Vlad he's a first baseman and getting Didi for 3B would be pretty impactful too

[Jays24]

Telling Vlad he's a first baseman and getting Didi for 3B would be pretty impactful too

 

Vlad will find out in spring training that he's no 3rd baseman. I just hope he's good enough defensively to even be a 1st baseman lol.

 

3B, CF, #1/2 starter and closer. I'd hope we get 1 player to help address each of those spots with closer being last on the importance list.

[Spanky99]

Telling Vlad he's a first baseman and getting Didi for 3B would be pretty impactful too

 

I can't see Didi taking 1 year or moving off SS.

[Jays24]

I can't see Didi taking 1 year or moving off SS.

 

Ya, it would have to be a massive overpay to move him to 3rd because I think he'll find a team to give him a starting SS gig.

[connorp]

Looks like broke Philly rn- Didi

[Hipfan]

The Cubs are a bit of a cautionary tale when it comes to ruining a good young team with bad contracts. Epstein drained the farm system, added a bunch of bad long term money and then quit. If they didn't have one nice playoff run, it would be perceived more like the Anthopoulos era in Toronto and vise versa had we won a Championship.

 

Pretty sure the Cubs went to the playoffs for 6 straight years, and the NLCS at least a couple of times, on top of their World Series win. I would take a run like that, even if it meant 3 or 4 leaner years after.

 

AA had 2 great playoff runs (I count the 2016 run on his watch, as it was basically his team) but had 3 years previously that were terrible, followed by 3 bad years afterwards (granted, that's not all on him, but Shapkins had to rebuild because of what AA did to get to the playoffs). I wouldn't say that's similar to the Cubs.

[BTS]

The Cubs don't really even have much on the books in terms of long term bad contracts. They owe Kimbrel 17M this year which looks like a sunk cost, and owe Heyward 65M over the next three years. Their franchise crippling mistakes were Eloy Jimenez and Gleyber Torres.

 

But they didn't even have to be bad next year. They're just kind of weirdly throwing in the towel.

[G-Snarls]

The Cubs don't really even have much on the books in terms of long term bad contracts. They owe Kimbrel 17M this year which looks like a sunk cost, and owe Heyward 65M over the next three years. Their franchise crippling mistakes were Eloy Jimenez and Gleyber Torres.

 

But they didn't even have to be bad next year. They're just kind of weirdly throwing in the towel.

 

Division is a joke too

[Scion]

I can't see Didi taking 1 year or moving off SS.

 

He may shift to 3B if the money and term are comparable, but I doubt any team will pay him more to be a 3B.

[Spanky99]

He may shift to 3B if the money and term are comparable, but I doubt any team will pay him more to be a 3B.

 

Yeah, not good.

[max silver]

I can't see Didi taking 1 year or moving off SS.

 

I like Semien more than Gregorius as an infield target, but I'm not sure how thrilled he would be moving off of shortstop either.

[Spanky99]

K...

[Grant77]

Division is a joke too

 

That's what they are missing. We would have been dominant for several years in that division during our last run. Who knows if the Cubs even make the playoffs in the AL East.

[BTS]

Division is a joke too

 

Yup. Their roster would have looked something like:

 

C - Contreras

1B - Rizzo

2B - Hoerner

3B - Bryant

SS - Baez

LF -

CF - Happ

RF - Heyward

 

Darvish

Hendricks

Alzolay

 

Throwing up your hands and punting when you have that core is crazy. It's a good team! They won their division last year and probably would have been the favourite to do it again if they'd just picked up a bit of OF depth and a cheap starter or two to throw out there behind Darvish and Hendricks.