Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[Spanky99]

I think a lot of people's logic seems to be sign Springer to be your CF. Then either Gurriel or Teo (probably Gurriel) can be used as a main piece with other prospects for a Lindor trade. Thats my dream scenario with the lineup anyways lol.

 

CF Springer

3B Bo

SS Lindor

1B Vladdy (skinny vlad will belong here we hope)

RF Teo

2B Biggio

LF Grichuk

DH Tellez

C Jansen/Kirk

 

What's wrong with Bo at SS exactly, if they can extend Lindor sure, but I'd rather Turner or Bryant on a 1 year bridge for 3rd(a need)than giving up prospect capital? Also, who's our 4th OF'er after said "trade" your just pulling value away, Davis suxxxxxxxxxxx

[Jays24]

What's wrong with Bo at SS exactly, if they can extend Lindor sure, but I'd rather Turner or Bryant on a 1 year bridge for 3rd(a need)than giving up prospect capital?

 

Any Lindor trade would have to come with an extension. Otherwise i agree with you, not worth giving your prospect capital for 1 year.

 

My vision is that Lindor is an elite SS whereas Bo is average there right now. Bo has a better chance being elite at 2B or maybe even 3B just given by the nature of the position. So instead of having 2 average players at their positions like we have now, you have 2 elite ones.

[Spanky99]

Any Lindor trade would have to come with an extension. Otherwise i agree with you, not worth giving your prospect capital for 1 year.

 

My vision is that Lindor is an elite SS whereas Bo is average there right now. Bo has a better chance being elite at 2B or maybe even 3B just given by the nature of the position. So instead of having 2 average players at their positions like we have now, you have 2 elite ones.

 

How many trades come with an extension? If that were the case the Indians barren our system, last I checked Bo's above average at Short. I'll take the plug in 3rd baseman, thanks.

[43211234]

My attempts to get Morosi’s name and rumors banned on this forum will never die. He’s not a legit source.

 

Could not agree more.

 

I want to learn to scrape a website just so I can tally up every player he's linked to the Blue Jays on Twitter vs those that actually end up signing. His hit rate has to be under 1%

[G-Snarls]

What's wrong with Bo at SS exactly, if they can extend Lindor sure, but I'd rather Turner or Bryant on a 1 year bridge for 3rd(a need)than giving up prospect capital? Also, who's our 4th OF'er after said "trade" your just pulling value away, Davis suxxxxxxxxxxx

 

You sign a 4th OF from the free agent scrap heap for 2-3M

[G-Snarls]

What's wrong with Bo at SS exactly, if they can extend Lindor sure, but I'd rather Turner or Bryant on a 1 year bridge for 3rd(a need)than giving up prospect capital? Also, who's our 4th OF'er after said "trade" your just pulling value away, Davis suxxxxxxxxxxx

 

Also how serious is the team about letting Vlad Jr play 3B again

 

Personally I don't think it should prevent signing a legit 3B or trading for Arenado if you can't get Springer or Lindor

[G-Snarls]

How many trades come with an extension? If that were the case the Indians barren our system, last I checked Bo's above average at Short. I'll take the plug in 3rd baseman, thanks.

 

Not a lot of trades involve pre negotiating extensions but it happens. Heck, even just from a Jays perspective we negotiated an extension with Dickey or course and I believe they had Halladay agree to an extension with Philadelphia before he was dealt there. So it's do able and this front office of course has a history with Lindor.

 

Also out of curiosity, when the Dodgers traded for Betts do we really think they didn't know they were likely to sign an extension with him? He did it after the trade but before he played a single game for them. It just felt like both sides knew it would happen.

 

So you never know but it could happen

Edited December 1, 2020 by G-Snarls

[Olerud363]

What's wrong with Bo at SS exactly, if they can extend Lindor sure, but I'd rather Turner or Bryant on a 1 year bridge for 3rd(a need)than giving up prospect capital? Also, who's our 4th OF'er after said "trade" your just pulling value away, Davis suxxxxxxxxxxx

 

Bo isn't perfect but I don't see the problem. He looks fine on fangraphs but I guess some of the other systems don't like him.

 

I hadn't even heard this might be a problem until he looked like Russ Adams for a couple of innings in one of the playoff games.

 

Of course if he looks like Russ Adams for a couple of months then yes, it might be a problem.

[jerb]

 

Robert Murray

@ByRobertMurray

 

Sources: Blue Jays among teams talking to Phillies about Jean Segura. @JonHeyman mentioned Segura drawing interest.

[G-Snarls]

Seems like they're really looking for an established shortstop

 

I'm not sure what they really want to do with the infield but they keep talking about run prevention and they're in on multiple shortstops...

[Orgfiller]

Seems like they're really looking for an established shortstop

 

I'm not sure what they really want to do with the infield but they keep talking about run prevention and they're in on multiple shortstops...

 

Jean Segura isn't really a shortstop anymore, or probably won't be going forward. If he's acquired it means Bo is staying at the position and Segura takes over 3B with infield versatility as part of his role ala Biggio. I don't think Segura is ostensibly a better defensive SS than Bo is, unless the public metrics are way off our internal evaluations.

[G-Snarls]

I would take Segure if PHI pays like half his contract lol. There's a better way to use that money in free agency.

 

Ouch

 

14M in each of 2021 amd 2022

[glory]

If the Jays acquired Segura, there is no chance he plays SS over Bo. As mentioned he'd probably be the starting 3B who can cover all the IF positions when Montoyo wants to move pieces around.

 

2021: $14.25m

2022: $14.25m

2023: $1m (no way his $17m option is picked up)

 

So you're looking at 2 years and almost $30 million. He wouldn't be a bad stop gap, but in this market that's an overpayment. If the Phillies are willing to eat up some money or take back a contract (Roark/Grichuk are the only "bad" ones), then it's worth looking into.

[Brownie19]

I would take Segure if PHI pays like half his contract lol. There's a better way to use that money in free agency.

 

$28.5M over 2 years, plus a club option for 2023 of $17M (or $1M buyout). At first glance, he seems like an alternative to Kolton Wong. He 'probably' gives you more offensively, but less defensively. He's more versatile than Wong, but probably costs a lot more too (unless Philly covers some of the cost).

 

Give them Roark in return and giddy up.

[Brownie19]

 

Robert Murray

@ByRobertMurray

 

Sources: Blue Jays among teams talking to Phillies about Jean Segura. @JonHeyman mentioned Segura drawing interest.

 

Makes me wonder what Didi will sign for...

[G-Snarls]

We all want to get rid of Roark and his 12M next year but Philly wants to reduce payroll and that won't save them enough

 

Man they have a lot of money tied up in Harper, Wheeler and McCutchen

[Terminator]

Grichuk for Segura, with whatever else needs thrown in from both/either side, makes a lot of sense for us but I don't know enough about the Phillies to know if they'd be interested or not. Seems like they might be depending on how they feel about Grichuk or McCutchen in CF next year.

[Terminator]

We all want to get rid of Roark and his 12M next year but Philly wants to reduce payroll and that won't save them enough

 

Man they have a lot of money tied up in Harper, Wheeler and McCutchen

 

Yeah I just don't see Roark going anywhere. And it's not the big of a deal. We can eat 8+ mil to get rid of him or swap bad contracts but in the end he's at least SP depth and he's got 1 year left on a deal that is unlikely to preclude us from doing anything we want this offseason anyway.

[jerb]

 

Ben Nicholson-Smith

@bnicholsonsmith

 

Per GM Ross Atkins, #BlueJays are active in talks with agents & teams. Jays have exchanged offers in some cases, have clear frameworks in place for other possible moves. “It doesn’t take much at this point for a deal to happen,” Atkins told the Toronto chapter of the BBWAA today.

[Terminator]

It's Quinn/Haseley in CF.

 

So they might be open to Grichuk. Saves them like $5M this year and next if they give us Segura.

 

Quinn is terrible but I forgot about Haseley. He might not be a whole lot worse than Grichuk but then again if they can save 5 mil and roll with Grichuk maybe they'd be willing.

[glory]

 

Wong's probably going to happen.

 

Although I'm fully on board with Grichuk for Segura if PHI is willing to do it.

[Jimcanuck]

Yeah I just don't see Roark going anywhere. And it's not the big of a deal. We can eat 8+ mil to get rid of him or swap bad contracts but in the end he's at least SP depth and he's got 1 year left on a deal that is unlikely to preclude us from doing anything we want this offseason anyway.

 

Let's see which version of Roark shows up. If he puts in the work this offseason and at ST, and he might, to secure another FA contract after the season, he could be serviceable as a 5th starter.

[G-Snarls]

Let's see which version of Roark shows up. If he puts in the work this offseason and at ST, and he might, to secure another FA contract after the season, he could be serviceable as a 5th starter.

 

He would also cost 7-8M to replace at current market prices so 12M isn't the end of the world

[Carlos Danger]

 

Wong's probably going to happen.

 

Although I'm fully on board with Grichuk for Segura if PHI is willing to do it.

 

Much rather Segura then Wong and double bonus with cherry on top if it is for Grichuk!!

[Carlos Danger]

Maikal Franco for 3B?? Royals are expected to non tender....

 

He would be a nice fit.. for solo $$

[Deadpool]

Maikal Franco for 3B?? Royals are expected to non tender....

 

He would be a nice fit.. for solo $$

 

Not the worst idea, he's pretty much average across the board, but only 28 and there's some room for improvement there.

[Orgfiller]

Not the worst idea, he's pretty much average across the board, but only 28 and there's some room for improvement there.

 

Maikel Franco is Vlad without the upside or elite exit velos. Hard pass on him as anything more than ST invite with a chance to make the bench.

 

He's not even platoonable lol.

[Carlos Danger]

Not the worst idea, he's pretty much average across the board, but only 28 and there's some room for improvement there.

 

I think hitting in Rogers Center/Buffalo and the AL East vs Kaufman surrounded by our hitter vs KC's would help also.

 

He is also decent at D.. Not going to hurt you..

[Orgfiller]

I think hitting in Rogers Center/Buffalo and the AL East vs Kaufman surrounded by our hitter vs KC's would help also.

 

He is also decent at D.. Not going to hurt you..

 

That's not how park factors work. Franco spent the majority of his career in a hitter's haven in CBP and was above average offensively twice, putting up a >.200 ISO once in his rookie year. He's also a bad defender at best, he absolutely will hurt you on D.

[Spanky99]

Maikal Franco for 3B?? Royals are expected to non tender....

 

He would be a nice fit.. for solo $$

 

Ewwwww... aim higher.