Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[saskjayfan]

Probably tougher to move him in this economic climate but I agree and think if the team was motivated they would end up finding some sort of contract swap. Grichuk for a SP or RP who is making a bit too much money.

 

Every off season is interesting, but we have the first covid environment, the CBA is expiring and the 2022 free agent class is ridiculous. How many bullets will teams save for

 

Rizzo, Freeman, Baez, Lindor, Correa, Seager, Story, Bryant, Syndergaard, Kershaw, Scherzer, Lynn, Verlander, Greinke, McCullers, Morton, Roriguez, Bundy, Gray potential opt outs for Arenado, Martinez, Stanton, Castellanos.

 

There's a lot of meat on the bone for next year even after a few of the guys of the guys on the list sign extensions.

[Brownie19]

I would welcome Happ back as a solid #3

 

He's 38 and hasn't been a solid starter since 2018. We'd probably have a higher chance of Roark being a solid #3.

[Jays24]

Signing Springer doesn’t automatically mean that Grichuk has to go

 

I dont see us using the DH on Gurriel/Teo/Grichuk since I feel they're too young for it. Teo would be the candidate if all stayed but I'd assume we'd move Grichuk. His contract isn't absurd for what he provides.

 

We also have Tellez who played great before getting hurt. Him and Vlad will be the cheap DH/1B combo.

[Jays24]

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rumors-trades-and-signings

 

Looks like Springer doesn't want to be in Houston...

[glory]

I'm not the biggest grichuk fan and I don't think we'll get springer anyways, but Grichuk is owed 3 and 31 and he's close to a 2 win player. He's not Albert Pujols, you could find a place to move him to. Even if you had to eat a little bit of money, and I don't think you would have to do that.

 

I don't know about that. Grichuk would have been signing a one year deal even in last year's market that wasn't ravaged by Covid related revenue losses. He's not grossly overpaid for what he is, but the market hasn't been kind to 1-2 WAR types for years now. I don't see the Jays being able to move him without taking a bad contract back or eating up a lot of the money.

 

Either way, having him on the roster definitely shouldn't prohibit the Jays from signing a better OF. If anything, the cheaper than normal FA market should push the Jays to upgrade the OF. Why start a 1 WAR CF out there just because of salary when 2-3 WAR players are probably going to get non tendered and/or will be signing inexpensive short team deals? Use Grich as a 4th OF or find a team with an equally bad contract that could fill another need (RP, SP) and make the swap. Or trade Hernandez at peak value, move Grichuk to RF, and then upgrade CF another way. Jays have options.

[Grant77]

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rumors-trades-and-signings

 

Looks like Springer doesn't want to be in Houston...

 

I like Springer, but I think the FO will go after Ozuna ahead of him. There will be no pick attached and his batted ball profile lines up more with what they like.

[connorp]

If we're playing in Buffalo then we should look at some more LHBs like La Stella, C. Hernandez or JBJ.

 

I don’t get the JBJ love. On a team with seemingly limited resources to spend, it’s kind of tough to swallow RG’s salary as a 4th OF to add someone marginally better. Seems adding SP or something would be smarter. Now if you get Springer, makes more sense

[glory]

 

Not surprising.

[Brownie19]

I don’t get the JBJ love. On a team with seemingly limited resources to spend, it’s kind of tough to swallow RG’s salary as a 4th OF to add someone marginally better. Seems adding SP or something would be smarter. Now if you get Springer, makes more sense

 

I'm with you. Don't want JBJ. Jays already have a 4th OFer in Grichuk

[Laika]

I don’t get the JBJ love. On a team with seemingly limited resources to spend, it’s kind of tough to swallow RG’s salary as a 4th OF to add someone marginally better. Seems adding SP or something would be smarter. Now if you get Springer, makes more sense

 

JBJ complements the current OF extremely well since he is a great CF and a LHB. I think it would be wrong to think of any of the four as a 4th OF. They'd all play a lot and Buntoyo could do lots of cool stuff playing matchups and making defensive replacements etc.

[connorp]

Says the guy who was in favor of picking up CA’s option even late in the season lol.

 

Depends what JBJ’s contact is for I guess. If it’s for subpar bat, glove first CF like the 3 years prior to this short season, sure-maybe. Don’t most CF see their D drop off post-30? But if Jays aren’t loading up, there’s a lot of middle rotation guys that I’d rather look at.

[BTS]

Jays pick up Dolis' option and decline Anderson's.

[jaysguy44]

Jays pick up Dolis' option and decline Anderson's.

 

Late to the party bud

[Laika]

Says the guy who was in favor of picking up CA’s option even late in the season lol.

 

Depends what JBJ’s contact is for I guess. If it’s for subpar bat, glove first CF like the 3 years prior to this short season, sure-maybe. Don’t most CF see their D drop off post-30? But if Jays aren’t loading up, there’s a lot of middle rotation guys that I’d rather look at.

 

I didn’t say that, I just said I’d rather pick up Anderson’s option than give Walker whatever he gets

[saskjayfan]

 

Not surprising.

 

and yet somehow I'm still relieved. Great start to the offseason!

[saskjayfan]

I didn’t say that, I just said I’d rather pick up Anderson’s option than give Walker whatever he gets

 

well the rays cheaped out and declined Morton's 15 mil option. He might retire, but if he doesn't I'd rather take Anderson's 9.5 mil and plow it into a 1 year 18 mil offer for Morton.

[Jays24]

Does the MLB free agency period begin November at midnight or noon? Wondering when we can start hearing of official signings.

[Spanky99]

Does the MLB free agency period begin November at midnight or noon? Wondering when we can start hearing of official signings.

 

NOVEMBER 1: The deadline for teams to issue qualifying offers (one-year, $18.9MM contracts) to eligible free agents, at 4pm CT. Players issued qualifying offers then have ten days to decide on accepting or declining the QO. For more on what this year’s qualifying offer market could look like, click here and here.

 

NOVEMBER 2: Free agency officially opens, five days after the conclusion of the World Series.

[G-Snarls]

Lots more declined options including

 

Lester

Kluber

Carlos Santana

Domingo Santana

Edited October 31, 2020 by G-Snarls

[Bturn2210]

Ben Nicholson Smith said Free Agency opens at 5:01 Eastern Timing tomorrow (November 1st).

[saskjayfan]

Ben Nicholson Smith said Free Agency opens at 5:01 Eastern Timing tomorrow (November 1st).

 

The first signing likely to come a couple weeks later! I hope the pace of signings is surprisingly quick.

[Spanky99]

The first signing likely to come a couple weeks later! I hope the pace of signings is surprisingly quick.

 

Not with this many guys being optioned, you're right, it's going to be a long off season, lol.

[Spanky99]

Lots more declined options including

 

Lester

Kluber

Carlos Santana

Domingo Santana

 

Cleveland going broke... holy s***.

[The Iceman]

Teams dropping guys like Hand and Osuna for projected $10 million and Morton for $15 tells me that there will be some prices available on guys that we would never expect. Gotta figure these 3 will go for less than the listed or the teams would have traded them for something/anything.

 

Hand for example is still only 30 years old and had a good season.

The teams buyout was $1 million so they didn't want him for $9 million.

 

Indians declined LHP Brad Hand's $10 million option for 2021.

Instead, they'll pay the 30-year-old southpaw a $1 million buyout. The Indians put Hand through waivers earlier this week, but went unclaimed. He was outstanding during the 2020 season, posting a 2.05 ERA, 0.77 WHIP and 29/4 K/BB ratio across 22 innings.

[Jays24]

This is the perfect time for a team like us who were on the verge of signing guys even before this pandemic started. We should be able to buy low and hopefully stock up better than expected.

 

Shapiro already said that our budget is pretty much unaffected for the upcoming season. I'm getting pumped since it will be a perfect market for us.

 

Really saddens me that we have 22 million invested in Roark and Grichuk. We'd be able to get Allstars for that price in this market.

[connorp]

Teams dropping guys like Hand and Osuna for projected $10 million and Morton for $15 tells me that there will be some prices available on guys that we would never expect. Gotta figure these 3 will go for less than the listed or the teams would have traded them for something/anything.

 

Hand for example is still only 30 years old and had a good season.

The teams buyout was $1 million so they didn't want him for $9 million.

 

Indians declined LHP Brad Hand's $10 million option for 2021.

Instead, they'll pay the 30-year-old southpaw a $1 million buyout. The Indians put Hand through waivers earlier this week, but went unclaimed. He was outstanding during the 2020 season, posting a 2.05 ERA, 0.77 WHIP and 29/4 K/BB ratio across 22 innings.

 

I think there will some real opportunity on mediocre SP. Normally it’s $10-12m/yr for backend depth.

Teams have to have the stomach for loss last year and possible loss next year though. Not sure that’s the Jays but hope so

[G-Snarls]

Cleveland going broke... holy s***.

 

No way they keep Lindor on a 25M+ arb-3 salary

[Terminator]

If Shatkins had any balls at all they'd bring Osuna back for pennies on the dollar but they won't because they are cowards!

[Jays24]

If Shatkins had any balls at all they'd bring Osuna back for pennies on the dollar but they won't because they are cowards!

 

It seems like there but the major stars can be had for pennies on the dollar. I'd love to bring Osuna back.

[Spanky99]

MLBTr...

 

More from the AL East…

 

Taijuan Walker figures to get a lot of attention in free agency this winter, but there is mutual interest between Walker and the Blue Jays in a return to Toronto’s rotation, Sportsnet.ca’s Ben Nicholson-Smith writes. Acquired in a trade from the Mariners in late August, Walker posted excellent numbers (1.37 ERA, 8.5 K/9, 2.27 K/BB rate) in his six starts in a Jays uniform. Beyond the on-field results, Walker was also impressed by both the Jays’ long-term potential as contenders, and how the club treats its players. “They have really good staff, coaches, training staff. For me, it’s all about comfort and people,” Walker said. “Being connected and having that family, and that’s what it felt like.” Once one of baseball’s most highly-touted pitching prospects, injuries cost Walker virtually all of the 2018 and 2019 seasons but he has somewhat revived his stock after his solid 2020 performance.