Fire Charlie Montoyo - The thread worked guys!

[Slade]

Yep here to complain about Panik DHing after a day off in the "home opener". This guy wtf.

[THANOS]

No one can justify it to me. Can't wait to see Montoyo's awful explanation after he has a s*** game.

[glory]

It's stupid, but there's a strong chance Tellez sucks, so if he had to bench anyone to get Panik into the lineup, at least it's Tellez.

 

I'm trying to be somewhat positive.

[Ray]

Joe Panik is DH'ing tonight lol

 

Tellez/Drury/Alford suck, Fisher is injured, and Panik at the very least gets the bat on the ball and has the ability to post a respectable OBP (both of which this team could desperately use right now).

 

The optics of this seems worse than it actually is. Not defending Montoyo, but this has less to do with his lineup and more to do with overall roster construction.

[Laika]

I hear that Joe Panik's trackman readouts are nuts.

[BTS]

I think the problem we're running into here, or one of the problems, is that a large number of the position players on the roster suck. Like half of them won't belong on a 2021 opening day MLB roster.

[Laika]

Rowdy is being punished for that horrible steal attempt in Boston. I'm fine with this.

[Laika]

I think the problem we're running into here, or one of the problems, is that a large number of the position players on the roster suck. Like half of them won't belong on a 2021 opening day MLB roster.

 

Rowdy Tellez has a .311 projected wOBA.

I hope people appreciate how bad it is for a player with his lack of defensive value to project as a below average hitter.

 

It's not Charlie Montoyo's fault that his big DH hits like a catcher.

[THANOS]

[Terminator]

 

There you have it folks. Joe Panik is a "professional hitter."

[Terminator]

I think the problem we're running into here, or one of the problems, is that a large number of the position players on the roster suck. Like half of them won't belong on a 2021 opening day MLB roster.

 

This is true but he was also playing Panik over Fisher before Fisher got hurt.

[Spanky99]

 

There you have it folks. Joe Panik is a "professional hitter."

 

lol... damn I miss Gibby. These guys best start stepping up on the offensive side or their toast. Pitching has been great.

[THANOS]

Tellez/Drury/Alford suck, Fisher is injured, and Panik at the very least gets the bat on the ball and has the ability to post a respectable OBP (both of which this team could desperately use right now).

 

The optics of this seems worse than it actually is. Not defending Montoyo, but this has less to do with his lineup and more to do with overall roster construction.

 

You're right in that the optics are worse, and his options aren't better. To be honest, one you didn't mention is who I would chose. Reese McGuire.

[glory]

Panik has started a game over Fisher and over Hernandez this season. That's 15% of the games played where Panik has started over a superior option (Fisher at least has some potential upside). At least in this case it's for Tellez, who can't field, run, or hit (other than the occasional HR), so no harm there, but this is far from over. Panik will be starting over Vlad one day, and it's coming soon.

[Terminator]

Can't wait for Joe Panik to single in a run tonight so we can let the "Extend Montoyo" and "Montoyo is playing 4D Chess" memes fly.

[max silver]

 

There you have it folks. Joe Panik is a "professional hitter."

 

Panik is off to such a hot start you just have to get his bat into the lineup any way possible, can't deny that 8 WRC+ after all. Even Tellez with a really slow start has put up better numbers than Panik.

[Stangstag]

Why not have Panik play SS or 2B to give one of the guys a day off? I don’t think Biggio has missed a game or DHd yet. Or put Panik at 3B and Shaw DH... idk whatever

[Laika]

Why not have Panik play SS or 2B to give one of the guys a day off? I don’t think Biggio has missed a game or DHd yet. Or put Panik at 3B and Shaw DH... idk whatever

 

This is a good question.

 

If they are using Panik, might as well let someone who matters DH and rest their legs. But nope!

[BTS]

Rowdy Tellez has a .311 projected wOBA.

I hope people appreciate how bad it is for a player with his lack of defensive value to project as a below average hitter.

 

It's not Charlie Montoyo's fault that his big DH hits like a catcher.

 

Yeah. Tellez has a better offensive projection than Panik, but he's so bad that the difference isn't even that big and there might be something about the matchup with Hernandez that would swing things in favour of Panik by a hair. And the other guys sitting are Drury (sucks), Alford (sucks), and the backup C.

 

I'm not a big fan of Montoyo, but outside of Teo, Bo, Biggio, Gurriel, and hopefully Vlad and the catchers soon, he's being asked to rotate replacement level trash through the lineup every day.

[glory]

I think the problem we're running into here, or one of the problems, is that a large number of the position players on the roster suck. Like half of them won't belong on a 2021 opening day MLB roster.

 

Agreed. Alford is being used probably in his best role, which is pinch runner/defensive replacement. Drury sucks. Tellez sucks. McGuire is a backup catcher. There's not much else there. It's disappointing that Shatkins signed Shaw, but never bothered to upgrade the utility IF position with a backup who could hit LHP. Wilmer Flores signed for like $3.5m with the Giants. Instead the Jays signed Panik, who not only sucks but doesn't complement the roster at all, and then kept Drury whose only good quality is fielding 3B.

 

If the Jays want to become good, they have to upgrade the offence, and in the absence of that, at least be able to utilize platoons to compensate for lack of quality starting options. In hindsight, the roster is kind of a mess, which is made to look worse by Vlad who is struggling badly (let's face it, Vlad has to become a beast for this team to do anything).

[Orgfiller]

Why not have Panik play SS or 2B to give one of the guys a day off? I don’t think Biggio has missed a game or DHd yet. Or put Panik at 3B and Shaw DH... idk whatever

 

They just had an off-day, will have another on Thursday and have already gotten a series suspended so like 4 days off there. If anything putting Panik in the field is a defensive downgrade or not letting necessary guys get their defensive reps considering everyone should be well rested.

[Ray]

I feel as if people are being slightly unfair to Panik on here. He's barely gotten any PA's to get going, and for a team that ranks at the bottom of OBP and contact, can actually provide both if he goes back to career norms.

 

Consistently playing him over Fisher was infuriating, but giving him AB's over Tellez/Drury/Alford is hardly the worst thing in the world.

[Jonn]

Rowdy is most likely nothing. But I would take my chances with him doing damage over a slightly higher chance that Panik will slap a base hit. We needed to add another bat in the off-season. They gave Rowdy one more chance and its not going well if your DHing Joe Panik.

[glory]

I feel as if people are being slightly unfair to Panik on here. He's barely gotten any PA's to get going, and for a team that ranks at the bottom of OBP and contact, can actually provide both if he goes back to career norms.

 

Consistently playing him over Fisher was infuriating, but giving him AB's over Tellez/Drury/Alford is hardly the worst thing in the world.

 

Since the start of 2018, Panik has a 75 wRC+ in 902 PA, hitting .247/.309/.330. He's not old at 29, but aside from making a lot of (weak) contact, he doesn't really provide anything of value as an offensive player, and if he's not playing 2B, then his defensive value is equally bad. I think we are being fair to Panik here. He's pretty bad. 2015 was a long time ago. He's not that guy anymore. This is likely a case of hoping for Eric Sogard 2.0, but that happening again is unlikely.

 

Playing him over Drury/Tellez is fine with me, and the club seems to have no intention of trying to give Alford at bats (probably for the better if they want to win games), so the options are pretty scarce. If he's playing over Tellez, and only Tellez, then I can live with it. When Fisher comes back, he should be getting those AB's.

[Spanky99]

You're right in that the optics are worse, and his options aren't better. To be honest, one you didn't mention is who I would chose. Reese McGuire.

 

Who catches if Jansen were to get hurt?

[Spanky99]

Why not have Panik play SS or 2B to give one of the guys a day off? I don’t think Biggio has missed a game or DHd yet. Or put Panik at 3B and Shaw DH... idk whatever

 

They've had 5 days off in the last week or so, their also off Thursday.

[Boxcar]

Panik is off to such a hot start you just have to get his bat into the lineup any way possible, can't deny that 8 WRC+ after all. Even Tellez with a really slow start has put up better numbers than Panik.

 

I'd have to check with Buckington Martinez but I believe he may also be a baseball player

[Deadpool]

Who catches if Jansen were to get hurt?

 

They lose the DH, and since we've got a 28 man roster it's really not that bad to lose the DH.

[Spanky99]

They lose the DH, and since we've got a 28 man roster it's really not that bad to lose the DH.

 

Then you lose your bench if it happens early in the game, or use the pitcher? Not a smart move.

[Deadpool]

Then you lose your bench if it happens early in the game, or use the pitcher? Not a smart move.

 

You're playing the odds that your catcher won't get hurt... I mean, your catcher doesn't get hurt in probably 90%+ of games, so they're great odds to play...