Pearson's service time

[BlueRocky]

[BlueRocky]

[Deadpool]

 

I fully disagree with the conclusion of this article... It would be indefensible NOT to keep Pearson down for a week and gain the extra year of control.

[Krylian]

I fully disagree with the conclusion of this article... It would be indefensible NOT to keep Pearson down for a week and gain the extra year of control.

 

The only reason that they wouldn't is that they don't have the stomach to deal with the optics and the reaction of the casuals.....and that would be a fireable offense.

[BlueRocky]

I fully expect our boy Nate to throw gas @ Aug 1st, even without looking at the schedule. From interviews, he sounds comfortable and understands this whole service time thing and doesn’t hold it against the Blue Jays.

[BlueRocky]

[Brownie19]

Wouldn't player question the decision making of an organization if they didn't make logical decisions about controlling service time?

 

I mean he may not like it, but players should respect FO's that make good decisions.

[John_Havok]

Screw that dude... That one week might be the deciding factor for the Jays to get into the playoffs and win the World Series!!!!

 

But in that week, he gets one start. Is that one start worth not getting 30ish starts down the road based on a possible catastrophic injury that may happen in between?

[BlueRocky]

 

His slider, curveball, and changeup got better during quarantine

[mellowgold]

Most exciting pitching prospect we've had since...Halladay?

[Deadpool]

Most exciting pitching prospect we've had since...Halladay?

 

There was a good amount of hype around McGowan IIRC, but I don't think we've ever had a pitching prospect in the top 10 of most prospect rankings, so Pearson is probably more hyped than ANY past Jays pitching prospect.

[BlueRocky]

 

His slider, curveball, and changeup got better during quarantine

 

I wonder how his slider has changed while they continue to tweak his pitch design. He threw one around 89-92 with more velo, almost like a cutter, and a 86-88 with more spin and break. The changeup is also a devastating pitch for him when he had it under control, if he was able to improve his control and create a tick more velo separation that’s a third plus pitch for him.

[Krylian]

I wonder how his slider has changed while they continue to tweak his pitch design. He threw one around 89-92 with more velo, almost like a cutter, and a 86-88 with more spin and break. The changeup is also a devastating pitch for him when he had it under control, if he was able to improve his control and create a tick more velo separation that’s a third plus pitch for him.

 

If there's a way to improve his slider I'd say maybe add a bit more depth to it. It looked like a slider/cutter hybrid from what I had seen.

[The Iceman]

I would be more entertained with 1 additional year of Pearson rather than 1 additional week.

 

Pearson needs to learn to play better defense and work on conditioning...one week off the roster should do it.

 

Signed Vladdy 2019

[BlueRocky]

One week should be enough to prepare for his inevitable ROTY AL CY Young + world series MVP season

[Uneducatedfan]

The simple answer is usually the right one. And in this case, the simple answer is you hold him back a start or two. You gain an extra year of control. You don't rush him. Let him get acclimated. This season could go a lot of ways. But you can't be shortsighted either.

[RobinThicc]

What could the Blue Jays say when a grievance is filed?

[Bobthe4th]

What could the Blue Jays say when a grievance is filed?

 

“We have at least 7 major league starters, so there’s no room for him in the rotation. Then we realised after letting them pitch that most of them are wank, so we decided to give Pearson a chance.”

[max silver]

“We have at least 7 major league starters, so there’s no room for him in the rotation. Then we realised after letting them pitch that most of them are wank, so we decided to give Pearson a chance.”

 

It's hard to see how a player could win a service time grievance under the current rules. Kris Bryant was the perfect textbook case of service time manipulation and he still lost his grievance. The real punishment for the Jays would be guys like Andrew Stoeten whinging incessantly about what a grand disservice has been done to the game of baseball for having Pearson miss one start during a pandemic shortened season.

[BlueRocky]

“We have at least 7 major league starters, so there’s no room for him in the rotation. Then we realised after letting them pitch that most of them are wank, so we decided to give Pearson a chance.”

 

Works for me.

[BlueRocky]

LOL poor Charlie, we’ll have to look the other way for 7 days.

[Krylian]

I've always seen Thornton as a good bullpen arm. A nice 2 pitch combo and he should be able to get a couple more ticks on the FB out of the pen... Maybe 96-97?

[BlueRocky]

[BlueRocky]

I've always seen Thornton as a good bullpen arm. A nice 2 pitch combo and he should be able to get a couple more ticks on the FB out of the pen... Maybe 96-97?

 

He would be effective as a high leverage guy I think. They’d milk him as a 5th starter until there’s no room, like when Pearson comes up.

[bones10]

LOL poor Charlie, we’ll have to look the other way for 7 days.

 

Is there anyway that Roark gets bounced from the rotation before Thornton does?

 

Roark seems to me to be a pitcher that gets his value from eating innings, consistently, over the course of 30+ starts. Not necessarily someone who is exactly eye popping in a 60 game sprint.

 

Thornton as a rookie showed flashes of being a pretty good pitcher from what I recall, and the two are very comparable in batted ball profiles, strikeout rates, and walk rates, this isn't even factoring in what division Thornton played in and that it was his rookie season. I know they paid Roark, and he'd probably little value out of the pen, but I Think it would still be worth exploring keeping Thornton in over Roark for this 60 game season.

[BlueRocky]

There isn’t going to be an issue really, teams easily use 10+ different starters over the course of a normal season. Roark is what he is, while Thornton is not quite a finished product. They will both start, but I just commented because I do think Thronton could be a lights-out reliable BP arm and there’s value in that. We really have none of those aside for Ken Giles.

[glory]

Over a 60 game season, the Roark's and Anderson's of the world have much less value as their main selling point is the ability to soak up innings over a long season. Over 60 games, especially with the schedule the Jays have, it's going to be pretty important to get Pearson as many starts as possible (after 7 days). Practically everyone except Ryu should be disposable for Pearson, although Roark's salary pretty much guarantees him a spot.

[saskjayfan]

Over a 60 game season, the Roark's and Anderson's of the world have much less value as their main selling point is the ability to soak up innings over a long season. Over 60 games, especially with the schedule the Jays have, it's going to be pretty important to get Pearson as many starts as possible (after 7 days). Practically everyone except Ryu should be disposable for Pearson, although Roark's salary pretty much guarantees him a spot.

 

Anderson's hurt so a spot may already be open.

[BlueRocky]

Anderson's hurt so a spot may already be open.

 

Charlie: “Trent now has a spot. But Borucki is making a strong case for 5th starter.”

 

And then when Roark goes down.

 

Charlie: “Kay and Waguespack are making really, really strong cases for 5th starter.”

[max silver]

Is there anyway that Roark gets bounced from the rotation before Thornton does?

 

Roark seems to me to be a pitcher that gets his value from eating innings, consistently, over the course of 30+ starts. Not necessarily someone who is exactly eye popping in a 60 game sprint.

 

Thornton as a rookie showed flashes of being a pretty good pitcher from what I recall, and the two are very comparable in batted ball profiles, strikeout rates, and walk rates, this isn't even factoring in what division Thornton played in and that it was his rookie season. I know they paid Roark, and he'd probably little value out of the pen, but I Think it would still be worth exploring keeping Thornton in over Roark for this 60 game season.

 

Thornton finished his 2019 season on a real nice roll all through September. At least some of that success was likely due to him being deployed as a bulk guy, that very well may be one of his most valuable roles due to his ability to soak up some innings while missing a good number of bats. You just don't want him seeing the top of the lineup three times due to his propensity to give up the long ball.