Offseason Roster Thread 2019-2020

[Bobthe4th]

[Dick_Pole]

Yeah I’m glad Tepera was dropped. Doesn’t save much $ but an extra 40 man roster spot is more valuable. Jays need to take advantage of how inexpensive free agency is now. Cleaning up the 40 man roster junk is imperative.

 

I like the idea of Tepera being dropped more than the actual move itself. In that the FO is showing itself to be liberal in expunging deadweight from the roster. Although they inherited Tepera. Let's see what they do with Drury.

[Spanky99]

I like the idea of Tepera being dropped more than the actual move itself. In that the FO is showing itself to be liberal in expunging deadweight from the roster. Although they inherited Tepera. Let's see what they do with Drury.

 

Drury has an option left, or do you want him gone from the 40 man?

[KevinGregg]

 

Dalton Pompey is still around though right? He's not on the 40 man but he could be back. I don't think Danny Barnes was on any playoff roster so Dalton is our last remaining link

[TheHurl]

[Dick_Pole]

Drury has an option left, or do you want him gone from the 40 man?

 

If the Jays do well in the offseason, Drury becomes a redundant asset whose salary can be allocated better elsewhere. I said this before, but if the Jays have any hopes of competing, Biggio, Bichette and Vlad need to total 450+ games between them. Under that circumstance, the Jays can afford to give 150 plate appearances to some min wage replacement or below player. If one or more of those players lose time due to injury or poor performance, then the Jays chances of competing become significantly impaired. And under those circumstances, who really cares if the team is giving several hundred plate appearances to min wage replacement or below players, other than the people still watching the games. Plus there's the very likely chance that if Drury sticks around, he will be a significantly above min wage replacement level or below player.

 

Keeping Drury around is inefficient roster management. If somehow he clicks at age 27 with another team, good for him. The Jays have been on the winning side of that deal for a while now with Bautista, EE and Smoak.

[Bobthe4th]

Dalton Pompey is still around though right? He's not on the 40 man but he could be back. I don't think Danny Barnes was on any playoff roster so Dalton is our last remaining link

 

Yeah but the tweet was just talking about the 40 man. In theory Travis and Tepera could come back if they just go to AAA, though I still expect Travis to retire relatively soon, and for Tepera to either elect free agency or to get picked up.

[Bobthe4th]

TBH rather than worrying about nostalgia or dreaming about unlikely free agent signings, my main interest for the upcoming season is Vlad. It's such a big year for him (and therefore for the Jays as a whole).

 

Best case - he turns up to spring training in shape, consequently improves at 3B, and puts it all together at the plate = superstar. Puts us in a position to be aggressive in the 2020 offseason.

 

Worst case - grandma's cooking keeps him fat, it becomes clear he hasn't even got a short term future at 3B, the fielding frustrations contribute to another relatively disappointing year with the bat (compared to what we all thought he'd be doing straight away ala at a Soto/Acuna level) and a transition to 1B leaving a desperate need for a new 3B and more pressure on the rest of the core to develop quickly.

[Olerud363]

Keeping Drury around is inefficient roster management. If somehow he clicks at age 27 with another team, good for him. The Jays have been on the winning side of that deal for a while now with Bautista, EE and Smoak.

 

I'd prefer to find the next Bautista, EE, or Smoak. Nobody has really explained how you find the next breakout, if you give up on all the 25 year old struggling players. What's the system?

 

I guess if you discard Drury and Tellez, you can argue you can just pick up equivalent players for free, who have just as much chance of a breakout. Still, I'd prefer they use 2020 to keep searching for breakouts.

[Olerud363]

TBH rather than worrying about nostalgia or dreaming about unlikely free agent signings, my main interest for the upcoming season is Vlad. It's such a big year for him (and therefore for the Jays as a whole).

 

Best case - he turns up to spring training in shape, consequently improves at 3B, and puts it all together at the plate = superstar. Puts us in a position to be aggressive in the 2020 offseason.

 

Worst case - grandma's cooking keeps him fat, it becomes clear he hasn't even got a short term future at 3B, the fielding frustrations contribute to another relatively disappointing year with the bat (compared to what we all thought he'd be doing straight away ala at a Soto/Acuna level) and a transition to 1B leaving a desperate need for a new 3B and more pressure on the rest of the core to develop quickly.

 

I know I am a broken record here but it's mostly the hitting that's the issue. Yonder Alvarez would of been just as bad defensively and baserunning if given full time play... and he would of been ahead by 6 or 7 WAR just on hitting.

[KevinGregg]

TBH rather than worrying about nostalgia or dreaming about unlikely free agent signings, my main interest for the upcoming season is Vlad. It's such a big year for him (and therefore for the Jays as a whole).

 

Best case - he turns up to spring training in shape, consequently improves at 3B, and puts it all together at the plate = superstar. Puts us in a position to be aggressive in the 2020 offseason.

 

Worst case - grandma's cooking keeps him fat, it becomes clear he hasn't even got a short term future at 3B, the fielding frustrations contribute to another relatively disappointing year with the bat (compared to what we all thought he'd be doing straight away ala at a Soto/Acuna level) and a transition to 1B leaving a desperate need for a new 3B and more pressure on the rest of the core to develop quickly.

 

did you see the latest video of vladdy jumping rope? looks like he's down 30 pounds already

[KevinGregg]

I know I am a broken record here but it's mostly the hitting that's the issue. Yonder Alvarez would of been just as bad defensively and baserunning if given full time play... and he would of been ahead by 6 or 7 WAR just on hitting.

 

In Alvarez's age 20 season he posted a 102 wRC+ in high A. In Vladdy's age 20 season he posted a 105 wRC+ in the MLB. Let's give our boy some time to keep developing. His bat will come around

[LGBJ29]

did you see the latest video of vladdy jumping rope? looks like he's down 30 pounds already

 

Yeah there's not a chance he lost 30 lbs in a month but he's looking better

[Brownie19]

Yeah there's not a chance he lost 30 lbs in a month but he's looking better

 

He does look a lot better there....camera angle?

[BTS]

Need to see pics from behind to gauge whether he's lost weight.

[TheHurl]

Need to see pics from behind to gauge whether he's lost weight.

 

side view work?

 

[BTS]

side view work?

 

 

Hard to tell. Still looks like a phat ass, but maybe a bit less so?

[polar bear]

Haven’t been on here lately,where’s Smoak gone ?

[Deadpool]

Hard to tell. Still looks like a phat ass, but maybe a bit less so?

 

Are you guys just trying to get Vladdy to send you nudes or something?

[Deadpool]

Haven’t been on here lately,where’s Smoak gone ?

 

He's a F.A., hasn't "gone" anywhere yet.

[Pendleton]

Haven’t been on here lately,where’s Smoak gone ?

 

I'm assuming back home to SC for the off season.

[Jimcanuck]

FWIW, the just released Steamer 2020 projections are out and predict 1.4 WAR for EE and 1.2 for Tellez

 

Depth Charts has EE at 1.6 and Tellez at 1.3

 

This post is NOT an advocacy for Tellez as the regular 1B/DH in 2020, but DOES question the wisdom of signing a 37 yr old EE after a 95 loss season.

[Olerud363]

FWIW, the just released Steamer 2020 projections are out and predict 1.4 WAR for EE and 1.2 for Tellez

 

Depth Charts has EE at 1.6 and Tellez at 1.3

 

This post is NOT an advocacy for Tellez as the regular 1B/DH in 2020, but DOES question the wisdom of signing a 37 yr old EE after a 95 loss season.

 

A system where you always choose EE over the Tellez's of the world would improve the team by a fractional win amount in the near term and reduce the chance of finding breakouts to 0%.

 

This system would also add 20 million to the payroll and age the team.

 

No more Bautista, EE, or Smoak like breakouts. Just sign these players in their mid to late 30s for millions in their decline phase.

[Deadpool]

FWIW, the just released Steamer 2020 projections are out and predict 1.4 WAR for EE and 1.2 for Tellez

 

Depth Charts has EE at 1.6 and Tellez at 1.3

 

This post is NOT an advocacy for Tellez as the regular 1B/DH in 2020, but DOES question the wisdom of signing a 37 yr old EE after a 95 loss season.

 

I think we can all agree that EE will likely have a better 2020 than Tellez, but it's not a "one or the other" choice. I don't like the idea of having a 1 dimensional, 37 year old on the roster. We should be using the DH spot to rotate guys through to give half off days and still keep Vladdy/Bichette's (etc) bat in the lineup. In my perfect world, Tellez is in AAA, we add a capable 1B to the roster and we have no full-time DH.

[BTS]

A system where you always choose EE over the Tellez's of the world would improve the team by a fractional win amount in the near term and reduce the chance of finding breakouts to 0%.

 

This system would also add 20 million to the payroll and age the team.

 

No more Bautista, EE, or Smoak like breakouts. Just sign these players in their mid to late 30s for millions in their decline phase.

 

I disagree with this. You can store intriguing players in AAA, or on the MLB bench if they’ve demonstrated MLB ability. Bautista and Encarnación were legit 25-man contributors before becoming stars. If you like Rowdy Tellez and think there’s more there? Bring him back for 560k or whatever and option him to AAA. If he rakes there, PAs will open up for him on the MLB team. But you shouldn’t go into an offseason penciling him in as your everyday D.H. and ignore the options that currently project better.

[Bobthe4th]

[KevinGregg]

 

unfortunate the Halladay trade didn't manage to do more for the franchise. At the time the return seemed about as good as you could have hoped.

[Jimcanuck]

I disagree with this. You can store intriguing players in AAA, or on the MLB bench if they’ve demonstrated MLB ability. Bautista and Encarnación were legit 25-man contributors before becoming stars. If you like Rowdy Tellez and think there’s more there? Bring him back for 560k or whatever and option him to AAA. If he rakes there, PAs will open up for him on the MLB team. But you shouldn’t go into an offseason penciling him in as your everyday D.H. and ignore the options that currently project better.

 

I don't see where Olerud or anyone has suggested penciling Tellez in as every day DH

[Boxcar]

I really wish Devon the best of luck. I weep for what he could've been. Poor bugger.

[KevinGregg]