MLB 2020 Draft

[The Cats Ass]

They really need to fix this in the next CBA. It's crazy that things like executives moving teams have anything to do with draft pick compensation, but he we are. f***ing Manfred.

 

This time around it benefited us though.

 

Anyone remember what we had to give up for Shapiro?

[Laika]

This time around it benefited us though.

 

Anyone remember what we had to give up for Shapiro?

 

Pick #55 in 2016

 

Cleveland picked Nolan Jones who is now a top 50 prospect.

 

Cleveland didn't ask for anything for Atkins even though they would have been entitled under the CBA. That should have been a pink flag.

[THANOS]

What?

 

Ah Satire!

[Todd]

One more question then. Does that f*** up the money allowed to sign players in the draft. Or

do the jays still get that money?

[Jimcanuck]

One more question then. Does that f*** up the money allowed to sign players in the draft. Or

do the jays still get that money?

 

https://www.mlbplayers.com/cba

[Krylian]

One more question then. Does that f*** up the money allowed to sign players in the draft. Or

do the jays still get that money?

 

Jays and Dodgers swap cap allotments.

Edited December 31, 2019 by Krylian

[Grant77]

One more question then. Does that f*** up the money allowed to sign players in the draft. Or

do the jays still get that money?

 

We lost it, but get back 50k for every game that Ryu loses in a Jays uniform before July of 2021.

[Krylian]

Let's get this straight, we still pick 5th overall this year, correct?

 

Also, do we have the option of swapping picks with the Pirates in 2021 because of Sanders? I can't find anything online that states this.

[Carlos Danger]

I have a strong gut feeling that the Jays will not go into the High School ranks with their first pick.

 

I just see it being too risky and a long term investment for the the best pick we have had in a long time. We have a new Scouting Director, Shatkins, with no extensions yet and the perception that this is a year with less wiggle room as far as overall performance then last year.

Edited January 2, 2020 by Carlos Danger

[max silver]

I have a strong gut feeling that the Jays will not go into the High School ranks with their first pick.

 

I just see it being too risky and a long term investment for the the best pick we have had in a long time, new Scouting Director, Shatkins, with no extensions yet and the perception that this is a year with less wiggle room as far as overall performance then last year.

 

I don't think the front office will be afraid to continue to do what they've been doing in their recent drafts, which is to draft the best player available regardless of whether it's a college player or high school player. They've hit home runs with both types of selections recently, no reason to suddenly get scared and go safe. The scouting director is just a cog in the front office wheel, the new scouting director will have plenty of time to get up to speed before the draft.

[TheHurl]

I have a strong gut feeling that the Jays will not go into the High School ranks with their first pick.

 

I just see it being too risky and a long term investment for the the best pick we have had in a long time. We have a new Scouting Director, Shatkins, with no extensions yet and the perception that this is a year with less wiggle room as far as overall performance then last year.

 

I don't think they have any reason to go away from their guy no matter what his age or background is. There is really only one draft rule that a few GMs have broken and it caused them issues, which is you don't go heavy HS one year and then go heavy College the next year. It's always a good thing to have multiple draft choices work out but you don't want to have to add 10 to the 40 man in one year. Cubs ran into this in around 2010-11 (although they went heavy into the International pool and then had some real success in a couple straight drafts. They ended up trading a bunch of prospects and still lost Marwin Gonzalez in the rule 5.

[jaysguy44]

 

Shift work makes you think/do funny things....

 

My bad.

[Todd]

So the other day I read that if the blue jays signed a free agent that they would not lose

they 5 overall pick because it's protected. But asking other people about that that they

do so what is it? It also said that the top 10 picks are all protected. But would lose they second

round pick and international free agent money. Can some one please explain this confusing

s***.

[jays4life19]

So the other day I read that if the blue jays signed a free agent that they would not lose

they 5 overall pick because it's protected. But asking other people about that that they

do so what is it? It also said that the top 10 picks are all protected. But would lose they second

round pick and international free agent money. Can some one please explain this confusing

s***.

 

I'll give you a quick summary, friendo.

 

 

Definition

The qualifying offer is a competitive balance measure that was implemented as part of the 2012-16 Collective Bargaining Agreement and restructured under the 2017-21 Collective Bargaining Agreement.

 

Note: Teams became subject to the following parameters beginning between the 2017 and 2018 seasons.

 

Clubs wishing to receive compensatory Draft picks for the loss of a free agent can make a one-year "qualifying offer," worth the mean salary of MLB's 125 highest-paid players, to their impending free agents prior to the onset of free agency if and only if:

 

1. That player has never received a qualifying offer previously in his career.

2. That player spent the entire season on that team's roster (in-season acquisitions are ineligible).

 

A player will have 10 days to accept or decline the qualifying offer, during which time he can negotiate with other teams to survey his market value. Should a player decide to accept the qualifying offer, he is signed for the following year at that predetermined rate (i.e., the mean salary of the league's 125 highest-paid players). If a player rejects the qualifying offer, he is free to further explore the free-agent market.

 

MLB Draft compensation

Any team that signs a player who has rejected a qualifying offer is subject to the loss of one or more Draft picks. While a team's highest first-round pick is exempt from forfeiture, any additional first-round picks are eligible. Three tiers of Draft pick forfeiture -- which are based on the financial status of the signing team -- are in place to serve as a penalty for signing a player who rejected a qualifying offer.

 

(Note: Each pick in the first 10 rounds of the Draft has an assigned value, and the total for each of a club's selections equals what it can spend on signing bonuses for players selected in those rounds without incurring a penalty. When a team forfeits a Draft pick, it also surrenders the accompanying bonus pool money associated that pick, independent from any money forfeited from its international bonus pool per the rules below.)

 

• A team that exceeded the luxury tax in the preceding season will lose its second- and fifth-highest selections in the following year's Draft as well $1 million from its international bonus pool. If such a team signs multiple qualifying offer free agents, it will forfeit its third- and sixth-highest remaining picks as well. The Cubs, Red Sox and Yankees exceeded the threshold in 2019.

 

Examples: A team with one pick in each round of the 2020 Rule 4 Draft would lose its second- and fifth-round picks. A team with two first-round picks and one pick in each subsequent round would lose its second-highest first-round pick and its fourth-round pick.

 

• A team that receives revenue sharing will lose its third-highest selection in the following year's Draft. If it signs two such players, it will also forfeit its fourth-highest remaining pick. If that team loses a free agent, it will be awarded a pick between the first round and Competitive Balance Round A if -- and only if -- the lost player signs for at least $50 million. If the lost player signs for less than $50 million, the team's compensation pick would come after Competitive Balance Round B, which follows the second round.

 

The following 14 teams qualify for these picks during the 2019-20 offseason: A's, Brewers, D-backs, Indians, Marlins, Orioles, Padres, Pirates, Rays, Reds, Rockies, Royals, Tigers and Twins.

 

Examples: A team with one pick in each round of the 2020 Rule 4 Draft would lose its third-round pick. A team with two first-round picks and one pick in each subsequent round would lose its second-round pick.

 

• A team that neither exceeded the luxury tax in the preceding season nor receives revenue sharing will lose its second-highest selection in the following year's Draft as well as $500,000 from its international bonus pool. If it signs two such players, it will also forfeit its third-highest remaining pick. The 13 clubs that fall into this category during the 2019-20 offseason are the Angels, Astros, Blue Jays, Braves, Cardinals, Dodgers, Giants, Mariners, Mets, Nationals, Phillies, Rangers and White Sox.

 

Examples: A team with one pick in each round of the 2020 Rule 4 Draft would lose its second-round pick. A team with two first-round picks would lose its second-highest first round-pick.

 

The Draft-pick compensation is also based on the financial status of the free agent's former team.

 

If a free agent who rejected a qualifying offer signs a contract that is worth at least a guaranteed $50 million in total value, and his previous club is one of the teams that receives revenue sharing, said club will be given a compensatory pick immediately following Round 1 in the next year's Draft. If such a club loses a free agent for a contract worth less than a guaranteed $50 million in total value, the club will receive a compensatory pick after Competitive Balance Round B (which follows the second round).

 

If a qualifying-offer free agent's previous team is over the luxury-tax threshold, said team will receive a compensation pick after the fourth round has been completed. If a team neither exceeded the luxury tax in the preceding season nor receives revenue sharing, its compensatory pick will come after Competitive Balance Round B. The value of the free agent's new contract has no impact on the compensation pick in both of these cases.

 

Like standard Draft picks, compensatory picks in a given tier are ordered in accordance with the previous season's standings. If a team with MLB's worst record and a team with a .500 record both lose a free agent that signs for more than $50 million, the team with the worst record would receive the higher of the two compensatory picks.

 

Players who are unsigned after the start of the Rule 4 Draft in the year that follows the rejection of their qualifying offer are no longer tied to draft pick compensation and can be signed without their new club needing to forfeit a draft pick.

 

History of the rule

Under the 2012-16 Collective Bargaining Agreement, players had one week to accept or decline the qualifying offer.

 

A club that signed a player who rejected a qualifying offer had to surrender its best unprotected pick -- any pick that didn't fall in the top 10 -- in the subsequent Rule 4 Draft. If the club's best pick fell in the top 10, it had to surrender its next-best pick instead. If a club signed more than one player that rejected a qualifying offer, it had to surrender its best and second-best unprotected picks.

 

Free-agent compensation picks were awarded after the natural first round of the Draft and before Competitive Balance Round A.

[Todd]

So after reading that the jays lose a second round pick and NOt the first round pick

[jays4life19]

So after reading that the jays lose a second round pick and NOt the first round pick

 

No draft pick comp for RYU

[TheHurl]

Todd, people have been f***ing with you.

[Spanky99]

I have a strong gut feeling that the Jays will not go into the High School ranks with their first pick.

 

I just see it being too risky and a long term investment for the the best pick we have had in a long time. We have a new Scouting Director, Shatkins, with no extensions yet and the perception that this is a year with less wiggle room as far as overall performance then last year.

 

BPA, mon!

[Spanky99]

I don't think they have any reason to go away from their guy no matter what his age or background is. There is really only one draft rule that a few GMs have broken and it caused them issues, which is you don't go heavy HS one year and then go heavy College the next year. It's always a good thing to have multiple draft choices work out but you don't want to have to add 10 to the 40 man in one year. Cubs ran into this in around 2010-11 (although they went heavy into the International pool and then had some real success in a couple straight drafts. They ended up trading a bunch of prospects and still lost Marwin Gonzalez in the rule 5.

 

Reminds me of AA's horrible player asset management.

[Krylian]

So after reading that the jays lose a second round pick and NOt the first round pick

 

2nd and 4th. We get a 3rd back though.

[The Cats Ass]

2nd and 4th. We get a 3rd back though.

 

But we re-gain a 2nd for losing Smoak.

[Maico450]

But we re-gain a 2nd for losing Smoak.

 

Getting the pick for Smoak, and then signing Shaw for just $$, was a great move.

[Krylian]

But we re-gain a 2nd for losing Smoak.

 

So at the end of the day we have both 0 and 40 picks for the 2020 draft. We won't know until the draft starts in June. It's the Schrodinger's cat of amateur drafts.

[Pendleton]

[THANOS]

 

It does him a disservice to compare him to Verlander. Lofty expectations for a 17 yr old. He reads as promising though, but I like Asa Lacy myself.

[Beans]

I have a strong gut feeling that the Jays will not go into the High School ranks with their first pick.

 

I just see it being too risky and a long term investment for the the best pick we have had in a long time. We have a new Scouting Director, Shatkins, with no extensions yet and the perception that this is a year with less wiggle room as far as overall performance then last year.

College players, especially pitchers, have never been better, so that might be the case for all teams this year. And with the rise of technology in college baseball programs, there's more to base the scouting reports on.

[TheHurl]

Latest BA Mock

 

#5

 

Asa Lacy

Texas A&M LHP

Notes:

Lacy would have ranked as the top pitcher in the 2019 draft class, but will have to settle for No. 2 behind Hancock for now. With that said, his combination of physicality, stuff, handedness and a no-nonsense, business-like mentality on the mound could easily elevate him to being the best arm in the class during the spring. Lacy has a 93-97 mph fastball and a wipeout slider to go along with a power curveball and a changeup—he’s been dominant in two seasons with Texas A&M, posting a sub-3.00 ERA in back-to-back seasons with 178 strikeouts in 128 innings (12.5 K/9).

[Mikeleelop]

I’d take that

[Boxcar]

Latest BA Mock

 

#5

 

Asa Lacy

Texas A&M LHP

Notes:

Lacy would have ranked as the top pitcher in the 2019 draft class, but will have to settle for No. 2 behind Hancock for now. With that said, his combination of physicality, stuff, handedness and a no-nonsense, business-like mentality on the mound could easily elevate him to being the best arm in the class during the spring. Lacy has a 93-97 mph fastball and a wipeout slider to go along with a power curveball and a changeup—he’s been dominant in two seasons with Texas A&M, posting a sub-3.00 ERA in back-to-back seasons with 178 strikeouts in 128 innings (12.5 K/9).

 

Has anyone pointed out that Asa Lacy is an obvious female pornstar name?

[P2F]

Has anyone pointed out that Asa Lacy is an obvious female pornstar name?

 

Wow, my feelings exactly. Heh.