Around Baseball 2019

[Orgfiller]

Nothing to see here imo. He BABIP'd his way to middling numbers this year in AAA. We have enough clogging up the 40 man. No reason to add someone like him for the final week.

 

Yeah but again, he's better than at least one of current alternatives. Just DFA Ureña if you're worried about the 40-man spot. After Bo who's currently concussed our only other SS on the 40-man are Ureña and Breyvic Valera. It's not like you have to keep him long term, if space becomes an issue later on you DFA as well and no sleep is lost.

[Abomination]

Yeah but again, he's better than at least one of current alternatives. Just DFA Ureña if you're worried about the 40-man spot. After Bo who's currently concussed our only other SS on the 40-man are Ureña and Breyvic Valera. It's not like you have to keep him long term, if space becomes an issue later on you DFA as well and no sleep is lost.

 

I'd rather keep Urena's defense for the remaining games. Neither Valera or Wong are really shortstops, they can just fill in there in an emergency. Valera and Wong are basically the same player, except Valera probably has a little better plate discipline. If someone interesting hits the wire, sure, I just don't think that player is Wong.

[Spanky__99]

Brendan McKay hit his first MLB dinger.

[Orgfiller]

The Cardinals continue to s*** all over the Cubs' hopes and dreams, Darvish left in for the 9th inning and gives up two runs and has to leave with 8.1 IP, 12 K and 0 BB.

[Spanky__99]

Haha Puig, dumbass!

[G-Snarls]

[Spanky__99]

 

Yeah, that's awesome.

[Orgfiller]

Looks like the Rays and Indians will be tied for WC2 heading into tomorrow.

[Spanky__99]

Looks like the Rays and Indians will be tied for WC2 heading into tomorrow.

 

Exciting, NL also.

[Brownie19]

I C&P this from a Fangraphs article. I thought it was interesting for those historians out there...

 

Pop-boy Smith was credited with his only big-league win on September 21, 1919 when the Cleveland Indians edged the Washington Senators 3-2 in a game that went 13 innings. The home team won, with Al Gould, who pitched the final four innings in relief of Smith, getting the save.

 

How is this possible? According to two experts I queried — SABR’s Jacob Pomrenke and Retrosheet’s David W. Smith — the answer to that question is both simple and complicated. Moreover, the occurrence wasn’t all that uncommon at the time.

 

Per Pomrenke, the official scorer was likely using Henry Chadwick’s original, archaic logic for awarding wins, which is the pitcher that “pitched the most innings” or “did the bulk of the work” in the game.

 

Also per Pomrenke, “Before official scoring became truly official around 1920, there was often no rhyme or reason to how wins and losses were awarded. American League president Ban Johnson had a bad habit of overruling the local official scorers, who could only ‘recommend’ scoring decisions to the league office, which had final approval. Johnson was extremely inconsistent in when and how he overruled the AL’s official scorers.”

 

The modern rule for pitching wins, which includes the starters’ needing to go at least five innings, was formalized in 1950.

 

As for how Retrosheet (which is the source of box scores at Baseball-Reference) handles the assignment of retroactive wins and saves. Smith informed me that their position on wins has been “to follow the officially recorded totals (in the daily player ledgers at the Hall of Fame) even if they would clearly be different today.” Saves are a different story.

 

“The first save rule became official in 1969 and there have been four versions of it,” Smith explained. “For games from 1969 to the present we follow the official totals, just as with the wins, even though there are some strange cases. The 1974 rule was a real mess. For games played before 1969, we chose to agree with Pete Palmer, who first calculated these. For these games, the following criterion was used: The last pitcher on the winning team gets a save, no matter the score, how many innings he pitched, or how effective he was.”

 

Pop-boy Smith earned his only career save by dint of Retrosheet’s pre-1969 criteria. On September 1, 1969, the erstwhile hurler entered in a tie game and pitched the final two innings of a 3-2 Indians’ walk-off win. In other words, “Pop-boy” got his only career save in a game where by modern rules he’d have gotten a win. Then, six days later, he got his only career win in a game where by modern rules he’d have gotten a save.

[Todd Van Anus]

I'm pleased to announce I won my fantasy baseball league! The championship ended as a 5-5 tie, but I owned the tie-breaker!

[The Cats Ass]

I C&P this from a Fangraphs article. I thought it was interesting for those historians out there...

 

Pop-boy Smith was credited with his only big-league win on September 21, 1919 when the Cleveland Indians edged the Washington Senators 3-2 in a game that went 13 innings. The home team won, with Al Gould, who pitched the final four innings in relief of Smith, getting the save.

 

How is this possible? According to two experts I queried — SABR’s Jacob Pomrenke and Retrosheet’s David W. Smith — the answer to that question is both simple and complicated. Moreover, the occurrence wasn’t all that uncommon at the time.

 

Per Pomrenke, the official scorer was likely using Henry Chadwick’s original, archaic logic for awarding wins, which is the pitcher that “pitched the most innings” or “did the bulk of the work” in the game.

 

Also per Pomrenke, “Before official scoring became truly official around 1920, there was often no rhyme or reason to how wins and losses were awarded. American League president Ban Johnson had a bad habit of overruling the local official scorers, who could only ‘recommend’ scoring decisions to the league office, which had final approval. Johnson was extremely inconsistent in when and how he overruled the AL’s official scorers.”

 

The modern rule for pitching wins, which includes the starters’ needing to go at least five innings, was formalized in 1950.

 

As for how Retrosheet (which is the source of box scores at Baseball-Reference) handles the assignment of retroactive wins and saves. Smith informed me that their position on wins has been “to follow the officially recorded totals (in the daily player ledgers at the Hall of Fame) even if they would clearly be different today.” Saves are a different story.

 

“The first save rule became official in 1969 and there have been four versions of it,” Smith explained. “For games from 1969 to the present we follow the official totals, just as with the wins, even though there are some strange cases. The 1974 rule was a real mess. For games played before 1969, we chose to agree with Pete Palmer, who first calculated these. For these games, the following criterion was used: The last pitcher on the winning team gets a save, no matter the score, how many innings he pitched, or how effective he was.”

 

Pop-boy Smith earned his only career save by dint of Retrosheet’s pre-1969 criteria. On September 1, 1969, the erstwhile hurler entered in a tie game and pitched the final two innings of a 3-2 Indians’ walk-off win. In other words, “Pop-boy” got his only career save in a game where by modern rules he’d have gotten a win. Then, six days later, he got his only career win in a game where by modern rules he’d have gotten a save.

 

This is wrong. How was it a save in the game he got his win? Would it not have been a no-decision.. Very poor article.

[Brownie19]

This is wrong. How was it a save in the game he got his win? Would it not have been a no-decision.. Very poor article.

 

yeah I picked up on that too. Just focus on the history of the game and how the official scoring used to work.

[glory]

I haven't been paying attention to the A's all that much, so just noticed Liam Hendriks has a 3.5 WAR and 119 K's in in 82 innings. He was DFA'd last season and now he does this. Relievers, man.

[Abomination]

WTF has gotten into Edman? He's beasting right now, on offense and defense.

[Omar]

[Laika]

lmao

[Ray]

That's it for the Phillies. They've been eliminated from playoff contention. By Harpers old team no less.

[glory]

 

Damn. I hope Stroman didn't read that. He'd go nuts.

 

I'm almost afraid to think what Cashman was offering for someone he didn't value that much.

[bendera3]

Someone put Stroman on suicide watch

[Ray]

Stroman's profile was probably not that appealing to Cashman. Look up and down the Yankees pitching staff. He's always valued strikeouts in pitchers above most anything else. Their pitchers collectively have a 9.5 K/9 this season. Stroman would've stuck out like a sore thumb.

[Barkerfan23]

Someone put Stroman on suicide watch

 

Why he has already been murdered by words

[Captain Adama]

 

Brian Cashman is clearly racist.

[Omar]

 

 

 

Stroman is clearly unaffected by all this......he's only tweeted about five or six times in reply.

 

 

[Spanky__99]

 

lol... he couldn't help himself.

 

[Boxcar]

Brian Cashman is clearly racist.

 

Bullpen is a dogwhistle for slave pen. I'm sure of it, but we need Keith Law to confirm

[Krylian]

Stroman is so easy to get riled up. It's great.

[BTS]

What a sensitive little bitch

[keggy]

I haven't been paying attention to the A's all that much, so just noticed Liam Hendriks has a 3.5 WAR and 119 K's in in 82 innings. He was DFA'd last season and now he does this. Relievers, man.

 

Hendriks' entire career has been an interesting story, starting as a soft tossing control artist as a starter and turning into a flame throwing destroyer in the bullpen.

 

Hendriks has put up like 6 wins since leaving the Jays, making him as valuable as guys like Dellin Betances, Brad Hand and Ken Giles.

[glory]

What a sensitive little bitch

 

I mean, Cashman did specifically call him out by name. I thought Stro's reply was fine. It's not like Cashman made a subtle jab. Nothing wrong with a clap back.