General 2019 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Krylian]

Yep, in his late 20s or early 30s. They're not moving him any time soon.

 

If that's true then this analytics heavy management team is really full of s***.

[Laika]

We all know Vladdy will eventually be moved to first base.

 

That doesn't really fix anything on the DEF (value) and UBR front.

[Laika]

Prince Fielder is the obvious bad-case body comparison for Vladdy.

 

-172.2 defensive runs and -56.4 baserunning runs in his career.

 

That's almost 23 WAR down the drain. Cut that in half and his 27.4 WAR career becomes nearly 40, and he joins Votto as a HOF candidate hitter (at the point in his career when it ended). Also, have to assume that Fielder's weight contributed to the career ending injury and it's reasonable to say that it might have been the primary factor.

 

I honestly think Vlad minus thirty pounds might be able to cut it in LF.

[Terminator]

No idea how accurate Inside Edge Fielding percentages are but his numbers there are atrociously bad. He's not even hitting the minimum thresholds. He's making just 54.5% of "Likely (60%-90%)" plays and 36.4% of "Even (40%-60%)" plays.

 

Yikes!

[Terminator]

Prince Fielder is the obvious bad-case body comparison for Vladdy.

 

-172.2 defensive runs and -56.4 baserunning runs in his career.

 

That's almost 23 WAR down the drain. Cut that in half and his 27.4 WAR career becomes nearly 40, and he joins Votto as a HOF candidate hitter (at the point in his career when it ended). Also, have to assume that Fielder's weight contributed to the career ending injury and it's reasonable to say that it might have been the primary factor.

 

I honestly think Vlad minus thirty pounds might be able to cut it in LF.

 

Yeah he has a 60 arm and his speed isn't necessarily THAT bad even despite the weight (36th percentile). If he lost some pounds he could probably do it. But if he lost that much weight could he play an acceptable 3B anyway?

[Barkerfan23]

People are focused on how bad he is defensively when they should be focusing on the long term impact on his body as a result of this push.

 

Think about what a year of missing vlad to a torn achillies will be like

[Daniel Labude]

Well then the front office is probably going to have an elite player with Shot knees

 

I just dont think at his weight, his knees will be able to take the impact. Even at his age.

 

Its almost like none of you all have ever been over 200 lbs lmao

[BTS]

Prince Fielder is the obvious bad-case body comparison for Vladdy.

 

-172.2 defensive runs and -56.4 baserunning runs in his career.

 

That's almost 23 WAR down the drain. Cut that in half and his 27.4 WAR career becomes nearly 40, and he joins Votto as a HOF candidate hitter (at the point in his career when it ended). Also, have to assume that Fielder's weight contributed to the career ending injury and it's reasonable to say that it might have been the primary factor.

 

I honestly think Vlad minus thirty pounds might be able to cut it in LF.

 

That's such an insane amount of value to give up just because you can't keep yourself in shape.

[BTS]

Its almost like none of you all have ever been over 200 lbs lmao

 

I spent several years at 215 and then cut back to 185 a few years ago. I'm far from a professional athlete and my entire body feels immeasurably better not carrying around 30 pounds of needless weight. I'm guessing that if anything there's a tendency to understate the negative health outcomes associated with being a fat athlete.

[Terminator]

He needs to get an Adderall prescription.

[Captain Adama]

I spent several years at 215 and then cut back to 185 a few years ago. I'm far from a professional athlete and my entire body feels immeasurably better not carrying around 30 pounds of needless weight. I'm guessing that if anything there's a tendency to understate the negative health outcomes associated with being a fat athlete.

 

Vlad really has no excuse. The guy gets paid money to play a sport, he has so much time and resources at his disposal to adapt a lifestyle that would help him lose 50 pounds easily

[BigCecil]

Vlad really has no excuse. The guy gets paid money to play a sport, he has so much time and resources at his disposal to adapt a lifestyle that would help him lose 50 pounds easily

 

Its been said but his body type is likely never going to be ripped and lean...never was. Doubt he ever will be. Having said that, he would serve himself and team well to lose some of the extra he is carrying around.

 

As BTS said, I played Cdn college football (badly) at 225 ish and then went just under 180 later in life. I couldn't stay as that weight lol, but I felt immeasurably better when lighter. I can't imagine being a pro athlete over 162 gms trying to perform, carrying around the extra he does, superfluous to his tasks on the diamond.

[Laika]

That's such an insane amount of value to give up just because you can't keep yourself in shape.

 

Compare to Miggy, who was a beefcake for most of his career but a very athletic beefcake relatively speaking:

 

Prince -23 WAR from being fat in 6853 career PA

Miggy -22 WAR from being fat in 10133 career PA

 

There's no reason Vlad can't at least stem the WAR bleeding by being more fit

[Dick_Pole]

If John Gibbons was still here Vlad would be 162 pounds and be afraid to eat a sandwich. However AA would have to be in hiding because the whole not practicing what he preaches thing.

 

But beta male Atkins and nitwit Montoyo don't have it in them to send Vlad to a dietician. And yeah yeah yeah I know, he's an athlete and should know how to take care of himself. In reality he's 20 years old and grown up with privilege in a poor country. 20 year olds are dumb in general and 20 year olds growing up with money are 10x as dumb. Then add the fact that he has a grandmother who grew up poor and who has literally one instinct, to feed her family. Do none of you have old European grandparents who feed the s*** out of you every chance they get? Because they grew up in a society where if there is food today there might not be food tomorrow so you eat a lot today.

 

So yeah, it's on the team to make sure they can extract the $10 billion in excess value or whatever Vlad has during these 6.999 years of control. I 100% blame the Jays for letting this situation get completely out of hand. Even if it is the player's fault.

[Orgfiller]

Its been said but his body type is likely never going to be ripped and lean...never was. Doubt he ever will be. Having said that, he would serve himself and team well to lose some of the extra he is carrying around.

 

As BTS said, I played Cdn college football (badly) at 225 ish and then went just under 180 later in life. I couldn't stay as that weight lol, but I felt immeasurably better when lighter. I can't imagine being a pro athlete over 162 gms trying to perform, carrying around the extra he does, superfluous to his tasks on the diamond.

 

Also no one is saying Vlad needs to drop to under 200 lbs, that would be ridiculous. Josh Donaldson is easily around 210-220 and he's in excellent shape, Vlad is probably hanging around 250 at least with chunky legs and a gut, that's unacceptable.

[Dick_Pole]

Its been said but his body type is likely never going to be ripped and lean...never was. Doubt he ever will be. Having said that, he would serve himself and team well to lose some of the extra he is carrying around.

 

As BTS said, I played Cdn college football (badly) at 225 ish and then went just under 180 later in life. I couldn't stay as that weight lol, but I felt immeasurably better when lighter. I can't imagine being a pro athlete over 162 gms trying to perform, carrying around the extra he does, superfluous to his tasks on the diamond.

 

What also has to be said about this is not just how he can play with this type of weight, but how can he actually maintain the weight metabolically. A 250 lbs 20 year old pro athlete and he's gaining weight. WTF? Is he downing 8,000 calories a day?

[keggy]

Compare to Miggy, who was a beefcake for most of his career but a very athletic beefcake relatively speaking:

 

Prince -23 WAR from being fat in 6853 career PA

Miggy -22 WAR from being fat in 10133 career PA

 

There's no reason Vlad can't at least stem the WAR bleeding by being more fit

 

Also 20-year old Miguel Cabrera was ripped and lean. He started turning into a fatso in his mid- to late- 20s. If Vlad is this heavy at 20, he's gonna look like Gord Ash when he hits free agency.

[Jonn]

The easiest way to add wins to our team is to just make Vladdy less fat. You don't have to make any homerun trades or any amazing signings to add these wins. You just have to make a 20 year old less fat.

 

Can't do it.

 

Most of thats out of the teams hands though. Vlad has to want to do that for himself. You can force him to lose weight but that severely damage the relationship with the player.

[Laika]

Guillen notices Cabrera's weight

June 19, 2007

 

Miguel Cabrera's recent weight gain hasn't escaped the notice of his countryman and mentor, Ozzie Guillen.

 

The subject came up again during their late dinner Sunday evening after the Marlins flew into town for this three-game interleague series with the White Sox. Guillen was blunt as ever with reporters Monday when asked about their conversation.

 

"I'm a little upset with him," said Guillen, the former Marlins third-base coach now in his fourth season managing the White Sox. "I said, 'You're still young. You're going to keep getting bigger.' He knows he's got a problem. We talked about it."

 

Guillen challenged Cabrera, 24, to get in better shape last winter in Venezuela, and Cabrera reported to spring training looking noticeably slimmer. But the combination of a strained oblique in April and some slippage in his commitment to conditioning has led to a much snugger uniform and some criticism in the media.

 

Even Guillen couldn't resist teasing his friend during a recent phone call, telling Cabrera he looked like he had a "lot of arepas" in his burgeoning belly.

 

"When you're young and you're good, you can get away with a lot of stuff," Guillen said. "When you're getting older and you go down, they say you're fat. Right now it's, 'Oh, he's a little chubby. He likes to eat.' When you're not hitting .340 with 40 home runs, they're going to call you a fat boy from Venezuela. You'd better lose some weight."

 

Part of the problem, Guillen said, is cultural.

 

"When your mom is Venezuelan and your wife is Venezuelan, you're going to get fat because they like to cook," Guillen said. "When you sit there for lunch and you see all the food, you're going to eat it. The good thing is he knows about it."

 

Guillen isn't asking Cabrera to go on any crash diets, just to watch what he eats a little more closely.

 

"Miggy is not going to be a small kid; he never will," Guillen said. "I just told him, 'You have to take care of yourself because you have a chance to be one of the best players ever from our country.' Miggy is going to be a Hall of Famer. There's no doubt."

 

As long as Cabrera gets his weight under control, Guillen sees no reason why he shouldn't be able to remain at third base for years to come. He raved about his natural athleticism and said he is a "way better player" than Andres Galarraga, the only Venezuelan to win a batting title in the majors.

 

If Cabrera doesn't make a change soon, however, "He's going to play in the Mexican League," Guillen joked.

[Ex Player]

I really hate these late night West coast games

[jaysguy44]

Hmm Vladdy is playing tonight

[Omar]

The bottom line is that someone has to sit Vladdy down and give him the facts of life re mlb. He isn't going to outstrip the competition like he has for the last ten years by virtue of his natural gifts. Heavy guys carrying extra weight is murder on the knees and could truncate his career.

 

Question is who will do the dirty deed and tell him the facts of life? Perhaps his old man? Vladdy Sr. certainly had a much more athletic physique in his day.

 

The way he is now, he will never realize his true potential.

[keggy]

Most of thats out of the teams hands though. Vlad has to want to do that for himself. You can force him to lose weight but that severely damage the relationship with the player.

 

Some organizations have academies, dorms, and English tutors for Latin prospects who are older than Guerrero. They teach rural prospects how to pay a phone bill and order food in restaurants. American coaches are asked to take Spanish lessons to better communicate with their players.

 

If a team can't get a 20-year old franchise player to improve his body, they need to make some changes.

[Todd Van Anus]

He needs to get an Adderall prescription.

 

Why? Does that help with weight loss?

[Ex Player]

Why? Does that help with weight loss?

Its a type of amphetamine. Yes they'll help you lose weight, but they can also be habit forming

[BigCecil]

Its been said but his body type is likely never going to be ripped and lean...never was. Doubt he ever will be. Having said that, he would serve himself and team well to lose some of the extra he is carrying around.

 

As BTS said, I played Cdn college football (badly) at 225 ish and then went just under 180 later in life. I couldn't stay as that weight lol, but I felt immeasurably better when lighter. I can't imagine being a pro athlete over 162 gms trying to perform, carrying around the extra he does, superfluous to his tasks on the diamond.

 

Also no one is saying Vlad needs to drop to under 200 lbs, that would be ridiculous. Josh Donaldson is easily around 210-220 and he's in excellent shape, Vlad is probably hanging around 250 at least with chunky legs and a gut, that's unacceptable.

 

What also has to be said about this is not just how he can play with this type of weight, but how can he actually maintain the weight metabolically. A 250 lbs 20 year old pro athlete and he's gaining weight. WTF? Is he downing 8,000 calories a day?

 

It only gets harder as you age to keep weight off in my experience. I turned 54 yesterday and have slowly climbed back up to 200 from 185 ish. My 6 pack is turning into a keg. It sucks. If I'm not focussed on proper eating and regular exercise I cant keep it off like I could when younger.

 

And yes, even losing just 20 lbs would make a demonstrative impact to the positive for him Org. 25 lbs that much better. He would still punish the ball.

[Krylian]

Its a type of amphetamine. Yes they'll help you lose weight, but they can also be habit forming

 

If the habit is eating better and losing weight, do it.

[Brownie19]

It only gets harder as you age to keep weight off in my experience. I turned 54 yesterday and have slowly climbed back up to 200 from 185 ish. My 6 pack is turning into a keg. It sucks. If I'm not focussed on proper eating and regular exercise I cant keep it off like I could when younger.

 

And yes, even losing just 20 lbs would make a demonstrative impact to the positive for him Org. 25 lbs that much better. He would still punish the ball.

 

Great news is that the 'dad bod' is all the rage. What a lucky time to be a slightly overweight dad in his late 30's.

[Jimcanuck]

Reality is vlad grew up rich and pampered, and has genes meant for backbreaking daily labour. Gonna be quite a challenge for him.

[Laika]

Reality is vlad grew up rich and pampered, and has genes meant for backbreaking daily labour. Gonna be quite a challenge for him.

 

this post seems racist, Jim!