General 2019 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Brownie19]

Who do you have in mind? With Gausman a gas can, Stroman for Pache and one of the Braves pitching prospects?

 

Braves sign Keuchel....may not need Stro now.

[Barkerfan23]

Atkins got extended.

 

1 whole year, quite a vote of confidence.

[Krylian]

1 whole year, quite a vote of confidence.

 

Sounds about right

[BlueRocky]

So Edwin Jackson is starting, you can get an alternative spread of -2.5 on the Yankees, for 2.10

 

Isn't that the easiest money ever?

 

Yes. Hope you made a big bet.

 

Coors field Edwin Jackson is like one of those you can put down a mortgage payment and then quit your job afterwards (not encouraging you)

[BlueRocky]

Then you're going to love this week's episode of Radio Scouts Podcast...

 

God I wish I rehearsed more.

Walked into that one unprepared for what was coming.

[Boxcar]

I didnt say let him start every day.

 

Its smart to perhaps let him build on his confidence a little

 

True enough. I mean, he got a hit. One hit. A key one.

 

Maybe if we played him today he'd get more confidence and then we could trade him for Burgerman

[Bobthe4th]

 

[The Iceman]

Atkins got extended.

 

Of course he did. His boss who hired him pulls all the strings. He has lost every single trade that he has made as far as I can tell. Just horrible asset management. Can't imagine having a worse combination of hitting, fielding, pitching on our MLB roster than what we have.

 

And this Hernandez at CF. WHY, is he better than Randall in CF? Every descion he makes just stinks.

[Boxcar]

Of course he did. His boss who hired him pulls all the strings. He has lost every single trade that he has made as far as I can tell. Just horrible asset management. Can't imagine having a worse combination of hitting, fielding, pitching on our MLB roster than what we have.

 

And this Hernandez at CF. WHY, is he better than Randall in CF? Every descion he makes just stinks.

 

Grichuk for basically nothing

Diaz for basically nothing

Diaz for Thornton

Martin for Sopko and Brito

Osuna for Giles, Paulino and Perez

 

Sounds like a bunch of wins to me

[Rusty_Savage]

Of course he did. His boss who hired him pulls all the strings. He has lost every single trade that he has made as far as I can tell. Just horrible asset management. Can't imagine having a worse combination of hitting, fielding, pitching on our MLB roster than what we have.

 

And this Hernandez at CF. WHY, is he better than Randall in CF? Every descion he makes just stinks.

 

Don't forget about letting DSJ and Chris Rowley go

[DigitalRock]

Of course he did. His boss who hired him pulls all the strings. He has lost every single trade that he has made as far as I can tell. Just horrible asset management. Can't imagine having a worse combination of hitting, fielding, pitching on our MLB roster than what we have.

 

And this Hernandez at CF. WHY, is he better than Randall in CF? Every descion he makes just stinks.

 

LOL....the dumb keeps coming.

[Brownie19]

Don't forget about letting DSJ and Chris Rowley go

 

What ever will we do without Chris Rowley?

 

DSJ update - wRC+ <100, 0.1 WAR. He's a replacement level player guys.

[Brownie19]

Of course he did. His boss who hired him pulls all the strings. He has lost every single trade that he has made as far as I can tell. Just horrible asset management. Can't imagine having a worse combination of hitting, fielding, pitching on our MLB roster than what we have.

 

And this Hernandez at CF. WHY, is he better than Randall in CF? Every descion he makes just stinks.

 

Atkins was saying last night that they've moved Randall back to RF because they think his defense is above average there (and that's where he'll provide the most value). They obviously don't feel that way about his D in CF (numbers support that) and thus they are going to try and find/fill the CF position in the meantime.

 

The reads off the bat are easier in CF and we know Teo has the speed and arm. His defense has already improved significantly this year and thus I have no problem seeing what he can do in CF.

 

Iceman - you've said a lot of dumb things in your past couple of posts, so I suspect you disagree, but whatevs

[DigitalRock]

“We’re at the point now where our position player talent is very, very strong, and it would be hard to really upgrade,”

- Ross Atkins, less than a year ago

 

Lol ouch.

[Orgfiller]

Don't forget about letting DSJ and Chris Rowley go

 

DSJ, the 26 year-old replacement level outfielder and Chris Rowley the 28 year-old with a 1.22 K/BB and a 11.02 ERA/8.50 FIP/7.40 xFIP in AAA?

 

Man if those are some of the only bad moves that come to mind as a GM then Ross Atkins better be in contention for Executive of the Year.

[Barkerfan23]

Its isn't just about avoiding bad moves, its also about making good ones.

 

Anyways, the STroman and Giles trade will define his time. Failure to get MLB ready players who will make an impact will be adios muchaco

[BTS]

DSJ, the 26 year-old replacement level outfielder and Chris Rowley the 28 year-old with a 1.22 K/BB and a 11.02 ERA/8.50 FIP/7.40 xFIP in AAA?

 

Man if those are some of the only bad moves that come to mind as a GM then Ross Atkins better be in contention for Executive of the Year.

 

Travis Bergen is a 25-year old reliever with a 4.24 ERA, 4.83 xFIP, a 6.7% swinging strike rate, and a wonky shoulder.

DSJ is a 26-year old outfielder with a league average bat (at best) and horrible defense

 

I love when things work out exactly as they were expected to. I can't believe the whining over those two on this forum.

[Laika]

“We’re at the point now where our position player talent is very, very strong, and it would be hard to really upgrade,”

- Ross Atkins, less than a year ago

 

I believe this would have been in the context of - mid/long-term projections of position player talent. Not the context of 2019 position player talent.

 

Still arguably an awful quote, but if, pre-2019, you're thinking of:

 

Jansen C - stud

Guerrero 3B/1B - stud

Bo SS - stud

Gurriel 2B/LF - chance to stick

Biggio 2B/3B/LF - chance to stick

Grichuk RF - known good commodity

Alford OF/BN - skills to maybe stick

Assume at least one of McKinney, Teo, Tellez, Drury = a long-term piece

2020-2021 impact: Smith, Groshans?

 

Then it doesn't seem that awful.

[Terminator]

Grichuk for basically nothing

Diaz for basically nothing

Diaz for Thornton

Martin for Sopko and Brito

Osuna for Giles, Paulino and Perez

 

Sounds like a bunch of wins to me

 

The Giles-Osuna trade was a wizard move under the circumstances.

 

The rest of those moves are simply adding pretty marginal talent for nothing and then just cutting payroll. Not a bad job to clean the slate like that but hes going to have to take a 100 loss team and make them competitive in a very short window or he won't be around to see it through. This means he'll have to be very aggressive in FA which can be dangerous.

[Barkerfan23]

Rays are trying to win, do you guys think they would do

 

Stroman + Giles + Smoak for Franco?

[Brownie19]

Rays are trying to win, do you guys think they would do

 

Stroman + Giles + Smoak for Franco?

 

 

duel use as this laughing guy is trolling too.

Edited June 10, 2019 by Brownie19

[Olerud363]

Rays are trying to win, do you guys think they would do

 

Stroman + Giles + Smoak for Franco?

 

Try it in reverse. If Jays were contending would you do Vlad for Brandon Belt, Baumgardner and Smith??

[Barkerfan23]

Try it in reverse. If Jays were contending would you do Vlad for Brandon Belt, Baumgardner and Smith??

 

No, I guess not.

[BTS]

Anyone know the details of Atkins' extension? I keep seeing that it's through at least 2020, but I imagine the term actually has to be longer than that? A 1-year extension would indicate to me that Mark Shapiro isn't convinced that Atkins is the right guy for the long-term.

[Krylian]

Anyone know the details of Atkins' extension? I keep seeing that it's through at least 2020, but I imagine the term actually has to be longer than that? A 1-year extension would indicate to me that Mark Shapiro isn't convinced that Atkins is the right guy for the long-term.

 

Maybe it's a Gibby style deal...perpetual 1 year extensions.

[glory]

Anyone know the details of Atkins' extension? I keep seeing that it's through at least 2020, but I imagine the term actually has to be longer than that? A 1-year extension would indicate to me that Mark Shapiro isn't convinced that Atkins is the right guy for the long-term.

 

Isn't Shapiro only signed through 2020 as well?

 

It's quite possible that the management structure we see today may not last for much longer, whether by choice or by Rogers wanting to change things up. I'm sure Shapiro would have other options available if he wanted to leave or if ownership decided not to extend him beyond his current deal, but Atkins would be toast.

[jmomcc]

Almost no team would trade Franco but the rays especially would never be that dumb.

[BTS]

Isn't Shapiro only signed through 2020 as well?

 

It's quite possible that the management structure we see today may not last for much longer, whether by choice or by Rogers wanting to change things up. I'm sure Shapiro would have other options available if he wanted to leave or if ownership decided not to extend him beyond his current deal, but Atkins would be toast.

 

Yeah, Shapiro's contract expires after 2020. He's good as his job and would certainly have other options if he or the team wanted to end the relationship. I really hope to hear news about a multi-year extension for him soon, because the course of the team is right even if a lot of the individual decisions haven't worked out.

 

And you might be right that Shapiro's contract status limited the options available to him when it came to Atkins. Maybe he didn't have the authority to extend Ross beyond 2020? The dynamic between the two is really interesting to me. I'd be interested in knowing how much rope Atkins actually has with Shapiro, assuming Shapiro is here beyond 2020.

[BTS]

Tanking of this magnitude must take commitment from the top down. I would be shocked if either of Shatkins left the team unless it was their choice. What's the fireable offence right now? We didn't lose enough games?

 

I don’t think either should be fired, but I’ll be surprised if Rogers signed off on a 95-100 loss team this year, and I certainly don’t think they’ll be ok with repeating it in 2020. I’m guessing there will be pressure on Shatkins to improve the product.

[Pendleton]

Just finished reading about the Padres having an OF logjam. Would it make sense for us to try and buy low on Manuel Margot, whether it be as a secondary part of a package for one of our big chips or just in general?