Osuna traded to the Astros for Giles, Perez, and Paulino

[Krylian]

Its also quite amazing how Giles lost his closer role and also his spot that team all without blowing a save and doing so with one of the best strikeout to walk rate in the majors.

 

Same as Osuna. Gone, and it had nothing to do with on field results.

[Krylian]

Wow, Just Wow!

 

I thought so.

[tercet]

So we got a small downgrade + 2 lottery tickets, not sad/not happy..

[Jonn]

Same as Osuna. Gone, and it had nothing to do with on field results.

 

But removing him from the closers role before ultimately punting him to the moon was an odd move. I thought the Astros were smarter than everyone else. How did Hector Rondon pass him on the depth chart.

[FrozenRopes]

Osuna isn't much better than Giles (if at all), and the Jays get Paulino + Perez out of it, and they also get the DV mess out of the way. I don't see how anyone doesn't see this as a slam dunk win for the Jays.

 

A decade or so will tell

[TheHurl]

if we get anything out of this deal it's a win. As Osuna was never going to pitch here. So really it's just a comparison to the other teams the Jays were talking to. And as much as we'd love to know what those offers were, the Jays aren't going to leak even who they were talking to.

[King]

I thought so.

And I thought you were a f***ing moron before these posts, now I know I am right.

[Krylian]

A decade or so will tell

 

Apparently the projections have already told us. Pack it up boys. It's time to go home.

[Krylian]

And I thought you were a f***ing moron before these posts, now I know I am right.

 

you still haven't answered the question. Just turned to insults.

[TheHurl]

A decade or so will tell

 

King put it in your calendar for a 2028 bump

[King]

you still haven't answered the question. Just turned to insults.

Link to Krylian projections please. Since you seem to think you're smarter than unbiased projection systems.

[Krylian]

Still no answer.

[TheHurl]

And how did those projections say the Jays were going to do this season?

 

83 wins I think. Seems pretty accurate to me.

[King]

Still no answer.

You haven't explained at all how Osuna is much better than Giles, other than dismissing projection systems and Orgfillers posts (Facts).

[Krylian]

83 wins I think. Seems pretty accurate to me.

 

OK. I thought they were a little higher. My point was that projections are just that. Reality can turn out very differently. Giles has the raw stuff to be lights out...consistently. He's shown pure dominance, and struggled. Osuna has been far more consistently lights out so I put a bit more stock in that.

 

Not sure why King needs to make things personal.

[Boxcar]

OK. I thought they were a little higher. My point was that projections are just that. Reality can turn out very differently. Giles has the raw stuff to be lights out...consistently. He's shown pure dominance, and struggled. Osuna has been far more consistently lights out so I put a bit more stock in that.

 

Not sure why King needs to make things personal.

 

Yeah, it's almost like numerous longterm injuries to key players causes your win total to be lower than the projected total.

[Orgfiller]

Why are we also just ignoring the fact that Osuna is likely a big injury risk? He's had TJS before, and despite posting excellent numbers as a starter in the minors was converted full time to relief and never looked back. Remember last season when he had a stretch where he was barely able to crack 95?

[King]

Giles has a better career ERA than Osuna so that argument wouldn't even make sense.

[Krylian]

Yeah, it's almost like numerous longterm injuries to key players causes your win total to be lower than the projected total.

 

Player performance for many was mediocre even when healthy. Injuries have been a big issue, but don't pretend that everyone was hitting on cylinders when healthy either.

[Brownie19]

OK. I thought they were a little higher. My point was that projections are just that. Reality can turn out very differently. Giles has the raw stuff to be lights out...consistently. He's shown pure dominance, and struggled. Osuna has been far more consistently lights out so I put a bit more stock in that.

 

Not sure why King needs to make things personal.

 

Giles's FIP is 2.28 and his xFIP is 3.26 this year. When exactly hasn't he been lights out? Like seriously - we're talking about an extremely small sample size in the playoffs last year (he was dominant in Aug/Sept/Oct last year even)

[Krylian]

Why are we also just ignoring the fact that Osuna is likely a big injury risk? He's had TJS before, and despite posting excellent numbers as a starter in the minors was converted full time to relief and never looked back. Remember last season when he had a stretch where he was barely able to crack 95?

 

 

That's fair. I've always been curious about this supposed 10 year life span after TJ. That would bring Osuna to about 27-28?

[Orgfiller]

Giles has a better career ERA than Osuna so that argument wouldn't even make sense.

 

He also has a better career FIP, xFIP, FIP-, xFIP-, SIERA, and the same ERA-. Even when accounting for muh AL East he's been better across the board. I'm glad he has the potential to be elite, because if that's not what elite looks like then watch out league.

[Krylian]

OK. I stand corrected then. I'll be eager to see what he looks like in a Jays uniform and what he can do on the mound.

[Orgfiller]

Player performance for many was mediocre even when healthy. Injuries have been a big issue, but don't pretend that everyone was hitting on cylinders when healthy either.

 

You don't think the subsequent DL trips was an indicator that they were perhaps not playing completely healthy? Donaldson could barely lob the ball over to first base.

[ICECOLDBEER]

 

"I get scared every time he comes in" "he's lost all confidence"... What a f***ing s*** trade.

[Agk47]

You haven't explained at all how Osuna is much better than Giles, other than dismissing projection systems and Orgfillers posts (Facts).

 

Not to be a dick, but baseball is not played on a spreadsheet.

 

Common sense and common consensus around baseball is that the two players aren’t in the same class even if Giles is capable of the same statistical output.

 

Even if they put up the exact same stats— osuna is worth more.

 

This trade demonstrates that.

[Brownie19]

 

"I get scared every time he comes in" "he's lost all confidence"... What a f***ing s*** trade.

 

That quote is from some old fart fwiw.

[Jonn]

Why are we also just ignoring the fact that Osuna is likely a big injury risk? He's had TJS before, and despite posting excellent numbers as a starter in the minors was converted full time to relief and never looked back. Remember last season when he had a stretch where he was barely able to crack 95?

 

A lot of us thought Osuna’s arm was going to explode at anytime. Trading him was actually very popular conversation last year and now people seem upset.

[Jonn]

Not to be a dick, but baseball is not played on a spreadsheet.

 

Common sense and common consensus around baseball is that the two players aren’t in the same class even if Giles is capable of the same statistical output.

 

This trade clearly demonstrates this.

 

But Giles has actually had a s*** load of on field success. One blowout in the playoffs in a SSS scenario doesn’t scare me. That’s happened to a lot of relievers. Maybe he just didn’t want to be in Houston anymore. You can’t put everything on the player.

[Dick_Pole]

 

"I get scared every time he comes in" "he's lost all confidence"... What a f***ing s*** trade.

 

It seems like Blue Jays and Rogers agents infiltrated the Astros ball club and media outlets to destroy Giles' value right before this trade. I knew getting a Jew for President was going to pay off for this team. Incredible job by Shapiro and Atkins to win an unwinnable trade.