What can we get for JA Happ?

[Spanky99]

speaking of attendance at the Rogers Centre ... the Canada Day game is 10 days away and still plenty of seats remain unsold ... when was the last time the Canada Day game was not a sellout?

 

Probably Never... it'll sellout. They just had over 45,000 in yesterdays day game.

[MarcoSanchez]

I would re-sign Donaldson at this point. We are paying no one in the future and I think he represents a rare FA that could out-produce his contract.

 

Shifting MLB landscape and saturated 3B market could get you a sweet deal on Donaldson. I think it's a no-brainer to lock in that sort of hitter when you have no other obligations long-term.

 

He still as it in his mind that he is a 200 Million Dollar Player

[CrackerJack]

Probably Never... it'll sellout. They just had over 45,000 in yesterdays day game.

 

Besides opening day, the Jays have drawn over 40K only twice so far this season ... yesterday and the other mid-week 12:37 pm starting game against the Angels where they packed the joint with cheap tickets for big groups of kids. s*** seats (from the box office) ain't cheap for Canada Day.

[Spanky99]

Besides opening day, the Jays have drawn over 40K only twice so far this season ... yesterday and the other mid-week 12:37 pm starting game against the Angels where they packed the joint with cheap tickets for big groups of kids. s*** seats (from the box office) ain't cheap for Canada Day.

 

They'll be cheap game day on-line, it'll sell out.

[Slade]

Based on what we've already seen. Based on what Beeston said about 'if attendance goes up, payroll will go up.' Based on the talk that Rogers might be looking to sell the team.

 

lol Beeston.

[Brownie19]

I would re-sign Donaldson at this point. We are paying no one in the future and I think he represents a rare FA that could out-produce his contract.

 

Shifting MLB landscape and saturated 3B market could get you a sweet deal on Donaldson. I think it's a no-brainer to lock in that sort of hitter when you have no other obligations long-term.

 

That's inconsequential because no one is giving him that.

 

I don't know if he gets more than JD Martinez 5/110M. I think even that deal is palatable for us.

 

I think you're probably onto something here. I think teams are scared of long term deals right now and nobody will give up top prospects for rentals anymore. The biggest issue is his health. He's been breaking down a lot lately.

[Boxcar]

I think you're probably onto something here. I think teams are scared of long term deals right now and nobody will give up top prospects for rentals anymore. The biggest issue is his health. He's been breaking down a lot lately.

 

I wouldn't put anything past the Padres.

[Jimcanuck]

Hindsight is 20/20, but Justin Smoak would look good in a different uniform right now as well. He would've returned something interesting at least.

 

Not hindsight for Krylian and I. We called it correctly.

[glory]

Didn't Alonso get something like 2/16 as a free agent? He was another "came out of no where" first basemen who had a breakout year at age 30.

 

I don't think we would have gotten much for Smoak tbh.

[TheHurl]

Not hindsight for Krylian and I. We called it correctly.

 

I just don't think the return would have been there and he's still putting up positive value. I'd just make sure he doesn't get to that 1100 PA's and save the $500k when you pick up the option.

[Slade]

I would re-sign Donaldson at this point. We are paying no one in the future and I think he represents a rare FA that could out-produce his contract.

 

Shifting MLB landscape and saturated 3B market could get you a sweet deal on Donaldson. I think it's a no-brainer to lock in that sort of hitter when you have no other obligations long-term.

 

I think you're right we can definitely afford to sign Donaldson but what's his incentive to stay? The team isn't going to be in any position to compete for the next 2 years and that's if the prospects we have continue their success and be who we expect them to be.

[Spanky99]

I think you're right we can definitely afford to sign Donaldson but what's his incentive to stay? The team isn't going to be in any position to compete for the next 2 years and that's if the prospects we have continue their success and be who we expect them to be.

 

It might be window dressing, but he continues to say he wants to stay here, who knows.

[Grimreepr]

This doesn't make sense. Happ and Donaldson are some of the best players the Blue Jays have and you want to get rid of them???? What about getting rid of the players that have continually shown the inability to play at the major league level like Biagini. He's been sent down to the minors more time than I change socks. He had issues at the end of last year and continues to prove time and time again he can't pitch. How do I know? Go into ANY sportsbar and listen to what happens when he walks out of the bullpen. All you hear is a massive groan and comments like "Welp this ones a loss." Fans KNOW he can't pitch to save his life, some even get up and leave. Seen this happen time and time again at the local Boston Pizza.

 

WHY the hell get rid of players that make the Blue Jays a better organization and keep those players that are perennial disappointments? The way ahead is NOT trading off talent and keeping the no talent bums, but getting rid of the bums and getting new talent. It makes no sense to get rid of one of the best pitchers in the MLB for an unknown. IT does make sense to get rid of a waste of space, for new talent. With thinking like this, the blue jays will never amount to anything until we start thinking how to keep the talent we got and get rid of the bums. Why trade down when it's SO much easier to trade up? It's better to deal with the angel you know rather than risk a round with the devil you don't know. The Jays have already added great new talent with the likes of Teoscar Hernandez, Curtis Granderson, Yangervis Solarte, and Aledmys Diaz. This is what needs to happen, swap out the non performers with talent that performs. NOT getting rid of the performers for unknowns. The way forward is to trade UP not give away the best talent the Blue Jays have. Keep the performers and get rid of the bums.

 

Well hell, why not throw in Justin Smoak and Kevin Pillar. You should be able to get something for them too. Maybe add in Russell Martin and Devon Travis? Why not just trade away all talent and try going for broke with a bunch of unknowns? Who knows if the person you're getting in trade WANTS to be in Toronto? Thinking like this only leads to one thing..... a stronger opponent and a weaker team. But hey, if you want to risk everything on a gamble, hop to it.

 

I just thank the good lord above that it's not people like these that are making the decisions at front office. The day that they start making bad decisions like this is the day I start turning off Blue Jays games. I know from speaking with my friends, the day they traded/fired Biagini, would be a great day for the fans around here. At least send his butt back to AAA or AA and leave it there.

[Abomination]

This doesn't make sense. Happ and Donaldson are some of the best players the Blue Jays have and you want to get rid of them???? What about getting rid of the players that have continually shown the inability to play at the major league level like Biagini. He's been sent down to the minors more time than I change socks. He had issues at the end of last year and continues to prove time and time again he can't pitch. How do I know? Go into ANY sportsbar and listen to what happens when he walks out of the bullpen. All you hear is a massive groan and comments like "Welp this ones a loss." Fans KNOW he can't pitch to save his life, some even get up and leave. Seen this happen time and time again at the local Boston Pizza.

 

WHY the hell get rid of players that make the Blue Jays a better organization and keep those players that are perennial disappointments? The way ahead is NOT trading off talent and keeping the no talent bums, but getting rid of the bums and getting new talent. It makes no sense to get rid of one of the best pitchers in the MLB for an unknown. IT does make sense to get rid of a waste of space, for new talent. With thinking like this, the blue jays will never amount to anything until we start thinking how to keep the talent we got and get rid of the bums. Why trade down when it's SO much easier to trade up? It's better to deal with the angel you know rather than risk a round with the devil you don't know. The Jays have already added great new talent with the likes of Teoscar Hernandez, Curtis Granderson, Yangervis Solarte, and Aledmys Diaz. This is what needs to happen, swap out the non performers with talent that performs. NOT getting rid of the performers for unknowns. The way forward is to trade UP not give away the best talent the Blue Jays have. Keep the performers and get rid of the bums.

 

Well hell, why not throw in Justin Smoak and Kevin Pillar. You should be able to get something for them too. Maybe add in Russell Martin and Devon Travis? Why not just trade away all talent and try going for broke with a bunch of unknowns? Who knows if the person you're getting in trade WANTS to be in Toronto? Thinking like this only leads to one thing..... a stronger opponent and a weaker team. But hey, if you want to risk everything on a gamble, hop to it.

 

I just thank the good lord above that it's not people like these that are making the decisions at front office. The day that they start making bad decisions like this is the day I start turning off Blue Jays games. I know from speaking with my friends, the day they traded/fired Biagini, would be a great day for the fans around here. At least send his butt back to AAA or AA and leave it there.

 

Happ and Donaldson are free agents at the end of the year. If we're not in a position to make a run, trading them makes the most sense. It doesn't prevent us from resigning them. People wanting to trade others who are controllable and cheap are crazy though, unless you're getting back a stud somewhere else.

[Jimcanuck]

We have a new troll, great.

[P2F]

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[Rusty_Savage]

This doesn't make sense. Happ and Donaldson are some of the best players the Blue Jays have and you want to get rid of them???? What about getting rid of the players that have continually shown the inability to play at the major league level like Biagini. He's been sent down to the minors more time than I change socks. He had issues at the end of last year and continues to prove time and time again he can't pitch. How do I know? Go into ANY sportsbar and listen to what happens when he walks out of the bullpen. All you hear is a massive groan and comments like "Welp this ones a loss." Fans KNOW he can't pitch to save his life, some even get up and leave. Seen this happen time and time again at the local Boston Pizza.

 

WHY the hell get rid of players that make the Blue Jays a better organization and keep those players that are perennial disappointments? The way ahead is NOT trading off talent and keeping the no talent bums, but getting rid of the bums and getting new talent. It makes no sense to get rid of one of the best pitchers in the MLB for an unknown. IT does make sense to get rid of a waste of space, for new talent. With thinking like this, the blue jays will never amount to anything until we start thinking how to keep the talent we got and get rid of the bums. Why trade down when it's SO much easier to trade up? It's better to deal with the angel you know rather than risk a round with the devil you don't know. The Jays have already added great new talent with the likes of Teoscar Hernandez, Curtis Granderson, Yangervis Solarte, and Aledmys Diaz. This is what needs to happen, swap out the non performers with talent that performs. NOT getting rid of the performers for unknowns. The way forward is to trade UP not give away the best talent the Blue Jays have. Keep the performers and get rid of the bums.

 

Well hell, why not throw in Justin Smoak and Kevin Pillar. You should be able to get something for them too. Maybe add in Russell Martin and Devon Travis? Why not just trade away all talent and try going for broke with a bunch of unknowns? Who knows if the person you're getting in trade WANTS to be in Toronto? Thinking like this only leads to one thing..... a stronger opponent and a weaker team. But hey, if you want to risk everything on a gamble, hop to it.

 

I just thank the good lord above that it's not people like these that are making the decisions at front office. The day that they start making bad decisions like this is the day I start turning off Blue Jays games. I know from speaking with my friends, the day they traded/fired Biagini, would be a great day for the fans around here. At least send his butt back to AAA or AA and leave it there.

 

EXCELLENT first post.

[Rusty_Savage]

They should be able to get a decent prospect or player. Frazier makes the most sense, include a BP arm or Pearce.

[MarcoSanchez]

Why can't the Bluejays qualify happ, has he been qualified earlier in his career?

[burlingtonbandit]

yes I do. Shapiro extended the Aramark contract last year at a 35% increase

 

Isn't the TV contract up after this year as well? Even with this year being a down year there should be a substantial increase in revenue from that alone.

[burlingtonbandit]

Probably Never... it'll sellout. They just had over 45,000 in yesterdays day game.

 

No way it sells out with that many tickets left and at those current prices.

[TheHurl]

Isn't the TV contract up after this year as well? Even with this year being a down year there should be a substantial increase in revenue from that alone.

 

do they have a TV contract? I thought every year Rogers just handed them $36M

[Slade]

Isn't the TV contract up after this year as well? Even with this year being a down year there should be a substantial increase in revenue from that alone.

 

Rogers contracts themselves?

[MarcoSanchez]

Rogers contracts themselves?

 

Most likely an internal intercompany allocation.

[BlueRocky]

Why can't the Bluejays qualify happ, has he been qualified earlier in his career?

He’s at the age where teams won’t be willing to sign him a huge extension. The qualifying offer only works when other teams are willing to give up a draft pick to sign him, which usually means a long term deal.

 

All the QO will do is kill off his free agency chances for another year and lock him with the blue jays. But since we can get prospects for him, AND potentially bring him back for 2019, there’s no reason not to do that.

 

Happ should also want to get traded for two reasons. He gets to play for a contender and meaningful baseball, potentially playoff baseball, which is great advertising for his free agency. He also cannot be extended a qualifying offer by the team that traded for him, which opens up his free agent market. With more teams interested, bidding can happen, which means he might get more term and dollars for potentially his last contract.

[burlingtonbandit]

do they have a TV contract? I thought every year Rogers just handed them $36M

 

By this article they signed an 8 year deal after 2014. That sucks because it was probably well under what Shapiro could have negotiated.

 

http://business.financialpost.com/technology/rogers-adds-baseball-television-rights-to-hockey-with-mlb-deal

[LGBJ29]

By this article they signed an 8 year deal after 2014. That sucks because it was probably well under what Shapiro could have negotiated.

 

http://business.financialpost.com/technology/rogers-adds-baseball-television-rights-to-hockey-with-mlb-deal

 

Pretty sure this is non-Jays MLB games, not the blue jays contract. It says it includes 300 games over the 8 years..

[burlingtonbandit]

Pretty sure this is non-Jays MLB games, not the blue jays contract. It says it includes 300 games over the 8 years..

 

Yeah you may be right. I know the Jays did have a 3 year deal that expired after the 2014 season.

[AdamGreenwood]

Maybe we could trade Happ + prospect for Jesus Aguilar.

Guy is controllable for another five years, and the Brewers don't know what to do with him, but could use more pitching.

 

Wish Jays management had listened to me. Pretty sure he's out of our price range now.

[Abomination]

Cubs guys say we were looking at David Bote, Mark Zagurski and Tseng.

 

I kinda think I'd be inclined to say pass. I'd expect someone would cough up something more enticing. Bote would be an interesting return for Estrada perhaps, but not so much for Happ imo.

 

That's with the caveat that I'm not sure who Zagurski is.