Would calling Vladdy up be a bad idea?

[5ToolPhenom]

The team right now is 18-16. It's not unfathomable to imagine things going better and seeing the team make a run at one of those wildcard spots.

 

Vladdy is RAKING in AA. When you see numbers that good, the only reason against a promotion is to try and take advantage of the service time clause. A situation were Vladdy and JD rotate at 3rd could be perfectly feasible, get Josh some time at 1B, Smoak can DH, when Donaldsons at 3B, DH Vladdy ETC.

 

I don't wanna be reactionary, but this kid looks like the real deal. If he can help the club at the big league level, why prolong the inevitable? I think he's ready for the big league challenge.

[CBlake]

My question is, will they want him to at least spend some time making the step up to Triple A? Now I get the real jump for a player is from A to AA, where they start to see pitchers and not throwers for the most part, but man this kid is doing things we don’t see every day. I for one am getting very excited to see him, thus checking that New Hampshire boxscore everyday. I fully expect a September call up but before that we shall wait and see.

 

The team right now is 18-16. It's not unfathomable to imagine things going better and seeing the team make a run at one of those wildcard spots.

 

Vladdy is RAKING in AA. When you see numbers that good, the only reason against a promotion is to try and take advantage of the service time clause. A situation were Vladdy and JD rotate at 3rd could be perfectly feasible, get Josh some time at 1B, Smoak can DH, when Donaldsons at 3B, DH Vladdy ETC.

 

I don't wanna be reactionary, but this kid looks like the real deal. If he can help the club at the big league level, why prolong the inevitable? I think he's ready for the big league challenge.

[Ray]

Service time wise, yes.

 

In terms of a developmental perspective, I don’t think so. I’m fairly certain if he were to be called up right now, he could put up atleast an .800 OPS.

[AledmysDiaz]

We have no starting pitching. Prime pujols is not helping this team right now. They are only 18-16 due to some surprises and competition

 

Unless the Starting pitching improves this is a 70-75 win team

[Jimcanuck]

Jays need to find a way to do something similar (impossible to match) to Atlanta - Albies, Acuna, Swanson, Soroka, Newcomb, Gohara, Allard, Riley, Minter etc.

 

A good number of elite guys ready at roughly the same time.

 

If the goal is the WS, its the way. If the goal is to field a borderline competitive team (1995-2013) to keep the casuals hopeful and Rogers happy, then carry on.

[AledmysDiaz]

I think the goal this season should be to:

 

Trade guys like Happ, Oh, Pearce, Granderson etc. Bring in as many potential guys that you can that are going to help Vlads bluejays

 

See if there is a way to transition Donaldson long term

 

Find out what you have in guys like Alford Jansen Guirrel SRF Borucki

 

So why start Vlads clock. Bring him up next June when Bichette is ready too.

[HERPDERP]

What is the point of bringing him up when we are not competing?

[BTS]

He should be here. The team is over 0.500 in May, and the goal should be winning as many games as possible. Vlad almost certainly makes the team better. They’re not the f***ing Rays or Pirates - pay him whatever he’s worth in 6 years.

[glory]

Call him up for what? To give the team a fighting chance at a 2nd WC? They'd have that same chance without him. Just dump Morales and it will be fine.

 

But 2019? He should be the starting 3b.

[AledmysDiaz]

So where would he play? DH?

 

Donaldson is in his final year he isn't going to want to DH and reduce his value ? Smoak is the staple at 1st

[John_Havok]

The only way it's a bad idea is that he still needs defensive work at 3b and he wouldn't be playing it everyday up here like he needs to. Service time consideration shouldn't matter too much to a club owned by a company pulling 15 billion in revenue every year.

 

If the only consideration was the bat... he'd be here already IMO.

[Daniel Labude]

If they don't sign him long term then they should wait until September.

[BTS]

Call him up for what? To give the team a fighting chance at a 2nd WC? They'd have that same chance without him. Just dump Morales and it will be fine.

 

But 2019? He should be the starting 3b.

 

If he's still crushing AA at the end of the month, I don't understand the hesitation. The bat might be ready to produce big time at the MLB level. 4 months of everyday PT with 2-3 starts a week at 3B won't be worse for his development than spending the time in a league he's too good for, and it comes with the added benefit of possibly adding wins to the MLB club.

 

If he gets called up this season, he hits free agency before the 2025 season, at age 26. Are they really going to wait until mid-April 2019? If they do that, he hits free agency before 2026, at at 27. They're going let him annihilate the upper minors for over a year, just to get control of his age 26 season instead of his age-19 season, when he might actually make the difference between playoffs or no playoffs in his age-19 season? I'm sorry, but that's a mickey mouse way to run a team - especially given that this team doesn't have to operate that way. If he's Miguel Cabrera, are they going to let him walk via free agency in his mid 20s?

[BTS]

So where would he play? DH?

 

Donaldson is in his final year he isn't going to want to DH and reduce his value ? Smoak is the staple at 1st

 

Josh Donaldson isn't bigger than the team, hasn't been healthy since 2015, and is still not throwing well. If he's told he's DHing a couple times a week, he'll DH a couple of times a week.

[BTS]

If they don't sign him long term then they should wait until September.

 

Does that push his 2019 arrival back to mid-May?

[AledmysDiaz]

The argument is pretty sound.

[King]

This thread is AIDS.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

I think the goal this season should be to:

 

Trade guys like Happ, Oh, Pearce, Granderson etc. Bring in as many potential guys that you can that are going to help Vlads bluejays

 

See if there is a way to transition Donaldson long term

 

Find out what you have in guys like Alford Jansen Guirrel SRF Borucki

 

So why start Vlads clock. Bring him up next June when Bichette is ready too.

 

I think you try to sign Happ to an extension.

 

Pearce can go for sure.

 

I would keep Grandy.

 

I would DFA Morales a week ago.

 

I would call up Vlad and have him, and JD, alternate 3B and DH the rest of the season.

 

I would try to extend JD, yes.

 

I would try to keep Grichuk on the DL (and subsequent rehab assignment) as long as possible until one of the young guys emerges (Pompey, DSJ, Alford). If none do, bring Grichuk back. If someone makes the case to stay, you may have to consider either trading Grandy of DFA Grichuk.

[Pendleton]

I think you try to sign Happ to an extension.

 

Pearce can go for sure.

 

I would keep Grandy.

 

I would DFA Morales a week ago.

 

I would call up Vlad and have him, and JD, alternate 3B and DH the rest of the season.

 

I would try to extend JD, yes.

 

I would try to keep Grichuk on the DL (and subsequent rehab assignment) as long as possible until one of the young guys emerges (Pompey, DSJ, Alford). If none do, bring Grichuk back. If someone makes the case to stay, you may have to consider either trading Grandy of DFA Grichuk.

 

I guess there's no reason we couldn't trade Happ and then sign him back in the off season (if our season takes is in that direction)....but either way I'd like to see him signed a two year deal if possible. We need the steady innings he provides.

[TheHurl]

“We do feel like it’s important for players to play at the triple-A level. It’s an important development challenge to be here,” Cherington said. “We’ve got players here right now who we really believe in and believe are going to be good major-league players. They are being challenged by this level. This is an important level to be at for some period of time.

 

“It’s a different level of competition than double-A is,” he added. “Different kind of players you’re facing, different matchups, different game-planning strategies — it’s just a different level of play.”

[Pendleton]

“We do feel like it’s important for players to play at the triple-A level. It’s an important development challenge to be here,” Cherington said. “We’ve got players here right now who we really believe in and believe are going to be good major-league players. They are being challenged by this level. This is an important level to be at for some period of time.

 

“It’s a different level of competition than double-A is,” he added. “Different kind of players you’re facing, different matchups, different game-planning strategies — it’s just a different level of play.”

 

Well that pretty much spells out their plans at this point, and I doubt they'd send Vlad to Buffalo for only a week or two. Seems like we won't be seeing him until the summer at the earliest.

[gruber92]

Vladdy will finish the year in Buffalo and will be a September call up. Shapiro needs this off season to play out what the team's options are with a possible JD signing and Smoak's option year.

 

I would love to see JD resigned and Smoak's option picked up. JD's shoulder is not the same and is an issue, therefore JD and Smoak sharing first base and DH duties while Vladdy is at third base would be a nice scenario.

 

Vladdy will be up here next May for good.

[gruber92]

He should be here. The team is over 0.500 in May, and the goal should be winning as many games as possible. Vlad almost certainly makes the team better. They’re not the f***ing Rays or Pirates - pay him whatever he’s worth in 6 years.

 

Even if you are the Yankees or Red Sox, that's still not a good business decision given the current roster.

[Bobthe4th]

Vlad is too important to call him up simply to improve the chances of getting a wildcard this season.

 

The front office obviously has much better data and scouting on him than we do - if they feel he needs more time in the minors to give him the best chance of being successful and importantly to play 3B when he does come up, then that's how he should be treated.

 

A promotion to AAA, a September call up, then in the majors next season. Still an aggressive approach, but a realistic one.

[Daniel Labude]

Does that push his 2019 arrival back to mid-May?

 

It may in their eyes.

 

I think Vladito and Bo will be ready by June. Give them both contracts imo.

 

I say give Vladito $150 Million back loaded and bring him up by June.

 

Give Bo like $70 million and bring him up as well.

 

Dump Morales and make Diaz a bench player.

[BTS]

Vlad is too important to call him up simply to improve the chances of getting a wildcard this season.

 

The front office obviously has much better data and scouting on him than we do - if they feel he needs more time in the minors to give him the best chance of being successful and importantly to play 3B when he does come up, then that's how he should be treated.

 

A promotion to AAA, a September call up, then in the majors next season. Still an aggressive approach, but a realistic one.

 

If he gets called up in September, the team has to leave him down most of the way through May next year to push his free agency back a year. That will create a massive issue if he mashes in September, and then through spring next year. I don't see any reason at all to leave him down until September, and then call him up then. If they're f***ing around with service time, he stays down all year and comes up April 20th, 2019, or whatever the date is.

[Terminator]

Vlad is certainly good enough to get called up now. But he's projected to be a 108 wRC+ bat. How much does that actually improve the team? And then whatever improvement that is, is it worth losing a year in his prime? If he's the ~7 WAR player we all think he is, that extra year is worth a shitload, north of $50 million.

 

There's a reason the Cubs dicked around with Bryant, the Braves with Acuna, etc.

[KingKat]

I'm not deadset against calling up Vlad but it seems like there's a much easier way to improve the team. Cut bait with Morales and transition one of the lesser defensive outfielders (either Peace who can't move or Teoscar who should be good but seems to have s*** for instincts) into the Morales role. That opens up more outfield work for qualified defenders like Alford and/or Pompey and eventually and/or Grichuk. Defense gets a lot better, offense is at worst the same but conceivably might be improved because Morales has been that bad.

[tercet]

No it wouldnt be a bad idea, but I'm against it, even with Vlad were not good enough to be better then the Yankees/Red Sox. Just wait till May 2019.

[BTS]

Vlad is certainly good enough to get called up now. But he's projected to be a 108 wRC+ bat. How much does that actually improve the team? And then whatever improvement that is, is it worth losing a year in his prime? If he's the ~7 WAR player we all think he is, that extra year is worth a shitload, north of $50 million.

 

There's a reason the Cubs dicked around with Bryant, the Braves with Acuna, etc.

 

If Vlad is still mashing in June, I think the case to bring him up is stronger than the case for bringing Bryant up in 2014: the Cubs were nowhere near a playoff spot, and Bryant wasn't going to help. Letting Vlad wRC+ 200 for over a year in the upper minors while the team battles for a playoff spot would be something else entirely. At that point, his age-19 season might actually be pretty f***ing valuable.