Jays acquire Aledmys Diaz

[G-Snarls]

Big question here is if he is a true cardinal?

 

Obviously not

[EdwinsParrot]

Nice. If he has a bounce back year this is gonna look awesome.

[Ray]

So basically we end up getting a cheaper more controllable version of Ryan Goins in Gift Ngoepe, and we get Aledmys Diaz whose upside is an All-star calibre shortstop for next to nothing? I'm beginning to think this front office is pretty good.

[Omar]

 

 

[mtljaysfan]

I love this move.

 

Don't care about Diaz but I'm so happy not to look at Woodman's when I check our MILB stats.

 

What a waste of pick. I never understood why we picked a strickout machine in college so high in the draft.

[Bobthe4th]

When Tulo and Travis inevitably are both out at the same time, a middle infield of Diaz and Gurriel looks better than Goins and Barney, with the added bonuses of much more potential, and longer control.

[Key22]

If Only Atkins can pull off an AA trading VW and trade Tulo for a bucket if baseballs.

[Bobthe4th]

Diaz is s*** but this is a no-brainer of a deal.

 

I don't think that's fair, he was an all star in his rookie season, then got injured and lost his place last year. Seems the perfect kind of player to restart his career elsewhere.

[Jimcanuck]

Great pickup for a rebuilding team

 

Said it before, if Jays do not get Ohtani, JD will be traded.

[Cbert]

If Only Atkins can pull off an AA trading VW and trade Tulo for a bucket if baseballs.

 

Maybe the Rox will get nostalgic and will offer to take on half his contract to play 1B for them! I’d accept a bucket of baseballs from their humidor in return.

[Krylian]

Great pickup for a rebuilding team

 

Said it before, if Jays do not get Ohtani, JD will be traded.

 

I don't think he'll be dealt under any circumstance. I think ownership has already told that Shat that they want to create the illusion of contending. Trading JD doesn't fit in with that plan.

[KingKat]

When Tulo and Travis inevitably are both out at the same time, a middle infield of Diaz and Gurriel looks better than Goins and Barney, with the added bonuses of much more potential, and longer control.

 

At this point, I don't think there's any kind of guarantee that's an improvement. You're talking about two lesser defenders coming off terrible offensive seasons.

[saskjayfan]

Great pickup for a rebuilding team

 

Said it before, if Jays do not get Ohtani, JD will be traded.

 

you've been begging for a rebuild for 2 seasons now. I would guess Donaldson isn't going anywhere till the trade deadline.

[Jimcanuck]

you've been begging for a rebuild for 2 seasons now. I would guess Donaldson isn't going anywhere till the trade deadline.

 

No, I've been calling for a rebuild since roughly June of 2017.

[Daniel Labude]

Great pickup for a rebuilding team

 

Said it before, if Jays do not get Ohtani, JD will be traded.

 

Most likely scenario (Ohtani or not- which I think we get) is that the price is too high for teams for 1 season. Once teams see where they are and we play out the games to the trade deadline, we will have a grasp on our playoff odds. If they seem low, Donaldson will go the the highest bidder for something somewhat close to what teams would be offering now (not the same though)

[G-Snarls]

Maybe the Rox will get nostalgic and will offer to take on half his contract to play 1B for them! I’d accept a bucket of baseballs from their humidor in return.

 

He still plays a perfectly decent shortstop

 

The bat is the problem so that makes no sense

[Bobthe4th]

At this point, I don't think there's any kind of guarantee that's an improvement. You're talking about two lesser defenders coming off terrible offensive seasons.

 

Both the younger guys were injured last year and should be better this year. Both the older guys have already peaked in their careers, and should be the same at best.

 

Obviously nothing is guaranteed but I'm much happier with the new situation. It just adds to the number of young, controllable players on the roster that have got potential to grow and improve.

[Jimcanuck]

Most likely scenario (Ohtani or not- which I think we get) is that the price is too high for teams for 1 season. Once teams see where they are and we play out the games to the trade deadline, we will have a grasp on our playoff odds. If they seem low, Donaldson will go the the highest bidder for something somewhat close to what teams would be offering now (not the same though)

 

Regardless, better to trade JD before the projected glut of 3B hit the market - Machado, Beltre, others

[bzapple]

I like it, solid depth move with a bit of upside. Wouldn't expect Diaz to post another .370 wOBA but as long as he can passably fill in at SS/2B, then this is a great move. If the bat proves to be above average then it's even greater.

[KingKat]

Both the younger guys were injured last year and should be better this year. Both the older guys have already peaked in their careers, and should be the same at best.

 

Obviously nothing is guaranteed but I'm much happier with the new situation. It just adds to the number of young, controllable players on the roster that have got potential to grow and improve.

 

I would caution against too optimistic an expectation for Diaz and I would caution against any expectation at all for Lourdes. Gift is far more likely to see playing than Lourdes in 2018. Gift could also turn out to be a better backup than Diaz simply by virtue of having a good glove.

[burlingtonbandit]

I would caution against too optimistic an expectation for Diaz and I would caution against any expectation at all for Lourdes. Gift is far more likely to see playing than Lourdes in 2018. Gift could also turn out to be a better backup than Diaz simply by virtue of having a good glove.

 

I highly doubt it he's projected to have a 53wRC+ which is worse than Goins and Barney. He's likely crap.

[Bobthe4th]

I would caution against too optimistic an expectation for Diaz and I would caution against any expectation at all for Lourdes. Gift is far more likely to see playing than Lourdes in 2018. Gift could also turn out to be a better backup than Diaz simply by virtue of having a good glove.

 

I don't really agree with any of that!

[KingKat]

I don't really agree with any of that!

 

Well than in that case I think you're being wilfully naive. Your argument in favour of Lourdes is that he was injured but what does him being injured tell us about how productive he is when healthy? It tells us nothing. We still have no idea what he is but so far there's absolutely nothing encouraging about the early reports. At this point, there's just nothing on which to build expectation. Maybe next year it will be different but he has to show something in the minors for us to get to that point. As for Diaz, the Cards didn't trade him for Woodman because they're dumb. They traded him because he's likely terrible.

[KingKat]

I highly doubt it he's projected to have a 53wRC+ which is worse than Goins and Barney. He's likely crap.

 

Gift has an excellent glove and an atrocious bat. Diaz might just be all around bad. I wasn't trying to pump the tires on Gift just pointing out that his Goins-like floor (which is also his ceiling) might make him better than the other two because those two could be all around non contributors.

[Bobthe4th]

Well than in that case I think you're being wilfully naive. Your argument in favour of Lourdes is that he was injured but what does him being injured tell us about how productive he is when healthy? It tells us nothing. We still have no idea what he is but so far there's absolutely nothing encouraging about the early reports. At this point, there's just nothing on which to build expectation. Maybe next year it will be different but he has to show something in the minors for us to get to that point. As for Diaz, the Cards didn't trade him for Woodman because they're dumb. They traded him because he's likely terrible.

 

If Diaz is so terrible why would the Jays want him? You don't think that the Cardinals traded him because he was blocked and wasn't going to start? What makes you convinced last year (when he was injured) is closer to his true talent level, and not the year before?

 

IMO the situation is set up to give Diaz a chance to succeed - he won't initially start but should get lots of playing time over the season.

 

Gurriel has only just turned 24 and was given a 7 year contract - he's not a normal prospect out of college and he had already been playing professional baseball when we signed him. I've always thought he'd be fast tracked to the majors, though his injury problems last year have undoubtedly set him back.

 

It's strange that you write off the first 2, but not Gift, who has only played 28 games in the majors.

[polar bear]

I liked Goins,sorry to see him go.

[Angrioter]

He still plays a perfectly decent shortstop

 

The bat is the problem so that makes no sense

 

What?

Tulo can't hit the baseball like a real man, and can't stay healthy.

[Angrioter]

If Diaz is so terrible why would the Jays want him? You don't think that the Cardinals traded him because he was blocked and wasn't going to start? What makes you convinced last year (when he was injured) is closer to his true talent level, and not the year before?

 

IMO the situation is set up to give Diaz a chance to succeed - he won't initially start but should get lots of playing time over the season.

 

Gurriel has only just turned 24 and was given a 7 year contract - he's not a normal prospect out of college and he had already been playing professional baseball when we signed him. I've always thought he'd be fast tracked to the majors, though his injury problems last year have undoubtedly set him back.

 

It's strange that you write off the first 2, but not Gift, who has only played 28 games in the majors.

 

Cards FO "Diaz is blocked for DeJong. Trade him for an awful 23 years old single A OF with 99% K rate"

[Cbert]

He still plays a perfectly decent shortstop

 

The bat is the problem so that makes no sense

 

It’s decent when healthy, which is rarely the case. I get his bat is garbage now, but maybe a move to a less demanding position would help him offensively, along with a move back to the friendly confines of Coors.

 

I don’t necessarily buy what I just said, but would love to see the Rox, or anyone really, take him and a good chunk of his contract.

[KingKat]

If Diaz is so terrible why would the Jays want him? You don't think that the Cardinals traded him because he was blocked and wasn't going to start? What makes you convinced last year (when he was injured) is closer to his true talent level, and not the year before?

 

IMO the situation is set up to give Diaz a chance to succeed - he won't initially start but should get lots of playing time over the season.

 

Gurriel has only just turned 24 and was given a 7 year contract - he's not a normal prospect out of college and he had already been playing professional baseball when we signed him. I've always thought he'd be fast tracked to the majors, though his injury problems last year have undoubtedly set him back.

 

It's strange that you write off the first 2, but not Gift, who has only played 28 games in the majors.

 

O.k. I'll try to address these one at a time.

 

1. The Jays want him because he's cheap way to fill the back of the roster. He's also a cheap flyer who might bounce back some but I doubt they have lofty expectations. It was essentially a nothing for nothing trade.

 

2. Just because someone is blocked doesn't mean that you don't try to extract value from them. If they thought he was anywhere close to the .370 wOBA player he was in 2016 they don't accept so little. They know him better than we do. What they accepted tells us a lot about how they value him blocked or not. I don't understand the argument for ignoring this.

 

3. I'm not convinced of anything. I told you to be cautious with your expectations and I've provided some supporting arguments. It's quite probable that the Jays didn't pull off some epic heist here. That shouldn't be hard to acknowledge

 

3. I don't really understand what argument you're making about Gurriel. None of what you said contradicts what I've said which is basically not to count your chickens before they are hatched. Lourdes has not established a baseline for himself. You can't say that he's better than a low end MLB calibre player when he's not established that he even is of MLB calibre. Again, 2018 will tell us a lot. For now, we simply do not know except that early returns, injury clouded as they may be, are bad.

 

4. I haven't written off anyone. I have encouraged you to temper your expectations by giving you reasons why Diaz might not meet your expectations and why expectations for Lourdes are premature. All I said about Gift is that he's closer to the majors than Lourdes and that by virtue of merely having a glove he could provide more value than Diaz IF Diaz doesn't hit. Both those statements are perfectly sensible and do not by amy stretch indicate some kind of love affair with a fringe major leaguer like Gift.

Edited December 2, 2017 by KingKat