Blue Jays 2017 Starting Rotation Discussion

[Pendleton]

I figured it would be good to have a one stop shop for general discussion related to our starting rotation for the forthcoming season.

 

With the comments from Atkins regarding the idea of stretching out Biagini, would the plan be to have him start the season in Buffalo? Or does that speak to the possibility of moving one of the returning five starters, whether it be moving one of the young guys for a controllable bat, or selling high on one of the vets?

 

What type of return do you think we could be looking at by selling high on Estrada, Happ or to a lesser extent, Liriano?

 

Would you be comfortable starting the year with Liriano & Biagini as our #4 & 5 starters behind Sanchez, Stroman and one of Happ/Estrada?

[GreekFatAss]

I figured it would be good to have a one stop shop for general discussion related to our starting rotation for the forthcoming season.

 

With the comments from Atkins regarding the idea of stretching out Biagini, would the plan be to have him start the season in Buffalo? Or does that speak to the possibility of moving one of the returning five starters, whether it be moving one of the young guys for a controllable bat, or selling high on one of the vets?

 

What type of return do you think we could be looking at by selling high on Estrada, Happ or to a lesser extent, Liriano?

 

Would you be comfortable starting the year with Liriano & Biagini as our #4 & 5 starters behind Sanchez, Stroman and one of Happ/Estrada?

 

Sanchez

Happ

Stroman

Liriano

Estrada

 

Keep Biagini in the pen where he has a chance to be a good reliever instead of a mediocre starter.

[John_Havok]

Sanchez

Happ

Stroman

Liriano

Estrada

 

Keep Biagini in the pen where he has a chance to be a good reliever instead of a mediocre starter.

 

I posted something similar after the jays were eliminated that Biagini will probably get a look as a starter in the spring. He was a starter in AA when they grabbed him via Rule 5 so there's 0 downside in giving him a shot at it again, when you know he's got the pen role as a backup if it doesn't work.

 

Every team needs at least 7-10 starters every year and right now the jays are pretty thin past their starting 5.

[L54]

I'd tell Big Joe to come into camp with the mindset he's a starter. If he's s*** he can move back to the bullpen. After Bollsingner I'm not sure there is anyone that should be counted on for anything yet.

 

Plus it would be awesome to turn a rule 5 pick into a back end starter.

[Governator]

Sanchez

Happ

Stroman

Liriano

Estrada

 

Keep Biagini in the pen where he has a chance to be a good reliever instead of a mediocre starter.

 

We've been very fortunate with our rotation staying healthy but it's pretty risky to expect that for another full season. There has to be an arm ready at least.

[BTS]

I like the idea of using Biagini like the Rays have used Ramirez and Andriese. If everyone is healthy he's in the pen. If someone goes down he's the first guy inserted into the rotation. He looks like he might have 3-4 usable pitches, we'll see if the stuff and velo holds up over 5-6 innings. Edited November 15, 2016 by BTS

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Our we Could Something Radical

 

Sanchez, Stroman, Happ, Estrada

Biagini, Harris,Foley, Greene

Grilli, Cecil, Liriano, Osuna

 

4 man Rotation with a piggy back of starters!

Alternate starts, lands everybody at 160-180 inning Ave, 140 min,

Would mean never going around the batting order 3 times, which is a plus!

The rookies get big league experience and learn from and paired with a starter mentors!

And the pen has two right and two left handed pitchers we all can trust to help lock down wins, no loup either!

[Jimcanuck]

Would like to see the Jays acquire a No. 5 starter, then use Liriano as a swingman. And Biagini starting in Buffalo, hopefully well and available to come up as needed.

[RealAccountant]

Biagini should be starting 100 percent. It's very rare to start the season with 5 healthy starters. Someone will get hurt

 

Even after Biagini we need depth options

[L54]

Biagini should be starting 100 percent. It's very rare to start the season with 5 healthy starters. Someone will get hurt

 

Even after Biagini we need depth options

 

Bolsinger

[jaysguy44]

Bolsinger

 

He any good?

[Sorrow]

He any good?

 

Had 1.1 fWAR in ~110 IP in 2015 with ERA, FIP and xFIP below 4 and 8k/9. Seems to be a 79-80mph with the breaking stuff and his cutter is around 87-88.

[SAAviour]

Were due for some bad injury luck for the starters, I'd go:

 

Hill

Sanchez

Stroman

Happ

Estrada

Liriano

Biagini

 

Rogers can afford it and needs to step up this winter.

[glory]

No starting prospects in AAA means they will prioritize depth again. So my guess is Biagini starts in AAA much like Hutch did last year.

[Brownie19]

Ideally you have Bolsinger and Biagini in AAA as your 6th and 7th. But that means you may have to open the wallet to replace Biagini in the pen....Joe Blanton?

[Abomination]

No starting prospects in AAA means they will prioritize depth again. So my guess is Biagini starts in AAA much like Hutch did last year.

 

I don't really see the need. If someone goes down for more than a few games, just stretch Biagini out on the fly. No reason to waste him in AAA when he can help the big league team.

[Spanky99]

Ideally you have Bolsinger and Biagini in AAA as your 6th and 7th. But that means you may have to open the wallet to replace Biagini in the pen....Joe Blanton?

 

Danny Barnes.

[intentional wok]

I figured it would be good to have a one stop shop for general discussion related to our starting rotation for the forthcoming season.

 

With the comments from Atkins regarding the idea of stretching out Biagini, would the plan be to have him start the season in Buffalo? Or does that speak to the possibility of moving one of the returning five starters, whether it be moving one of the young guys for a controllable bat, or selling high on one of the vets?

 

What type of return do you think we could be looking at by selling high on Estrada, Happ or to a lesser extent, Liriano?

 

Would you be comfortable starting the year with Liriano & Biagini as our #4 & 5 starters behind Sanchez, Stroman and one of Happ/Estrada?

 

Ugh. I really like the rotation going into next April. It might be my favourite crew of guys that I can remember.

 

That said, I still wonder about making a trade of one of the guys you mentioned to fill an OF hole or something. It's Shatkins who can find a deal there if it exists. Maybe a pitching-starved wannabe team gives up something worth sticking in the outfield that makes up for the loss of stability to the rotation. I think only Happ gets that done, though, with Liriano being a wild card and Estrada having back issues.

[Brownie19]

Danny Barnes.

 

Love Danny....he's taking Benoit's spot!

[Brownie19]

I don't really see the need. If someone goes down for more than a few games, just stretch Biagini out on the fly. No reason to waste him in AAA when he can help the big league team.

 

Depends what the end game is with him. If you want to give him a legitimate shot as a starter, you can't jerk him in and out like you're suggesting. If you see him as a swingman ala Carlos Villanueva....then sure, do as you've suggested.

 

In all likelihood - Danny Barnes can give you what Biagini did last year...

[reedjohnsonfan]

I like the idea of using Biagini as a spot starter. If everyone is healthy he's in the pen. If someone goes down he's the first guy inserted into the rotation. He looks like he might have 3-4 usable pitches, we'll see if the stuff and velo holds up over 5-6 innings.

 

fixed!

[BTS]

fixed!

 

No. As usual, you don't know what you're talking about.

[intentional wok]

reedjohnsonfan vs. BTS out of nowhere becoming a pretty intriguing board feud.

[reedjohnsonfan]

No. As usual, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

The most overused comeback in the history of the board. Yet some people wonder why board activity is stagnant despite high popularity in the team... come up with something original, you must have a bag of comebacks somewhere, no?

[Spanky99]

reedjohnsonfan vs. BTS out of nowhere becoming a pretty intriguing board feud.

 

[BTS]

The most overused comeback in the history of the board. Yet some people wonder why board activity is stagnant despite high popularity in the team... come up with something original, you must have a bag of comebacks somewhere, no?

 

Well, you were wrong. Typically a spot starter is asked to start one game and go back to the pen. That isn't what I had in mind when I referenced the Rays' use of Andriese this year and Ramirez last year. They used those guys as key parts of the pen, and were 100% willing to shift them to a full-time rotation spot if the situation called for it. We saw it with Mike Montgomery too, and it's a bit of a different approach to handling good pen arms.

 

As for your comment about the forum, you've spent the better part of the last 5 years complaining that people are rude when you post stupid things. Here's a tip: nobody values your posts, so you can leave for the facebook or reddit fan pages and not feel bad.

[King]

Wow!

[P2F]

Well, you were wrong. Typically a spot starter is asked to start one game and go back to the pen. That isn't what I had in mind when I referenced the Rays' use of Andriese this year and Ramirez last year. They used those guys as key parts of the pen, and were 100% willing to shift them to a full-time rotation spot if the situation called for it. We saw it with Mike Montgomery too, and it's a bit of a different approach to handling good pen arms.

 

As for your comment about the forum, you've spent the better part of the last 5 years complaining that people are rude when you post stupid things. Here's a tip: nobody values your posts, so you can leave for the facebook or reddit fan pages and not feel bad.

 

[43211234]

I don't like the idea of making him a starter. Stick him in the ~90 IP relief role BTS suggested a have him make some two-times-through-the-order starts if need be.

 

Throw Bolsinger in AAA and try to acquire a Jesse Chavez type to stick into the front end of the bullpen. Sign a few vets off the scrap heap with minor league deals, like they did with Fausto Hernandez and Wade LeBlanc last year, and that makes for some reasonable depth. Heck, I wouldn't be opposed to adding Wade LeBlanc to the pen if he's non-tendered by Pittsburgh.

[Spanky99]

I don't like the idea of making him a starter. Stick him in the ~90 IP relief role BTS suggested a have him make some two-times-through-the-order starts if need be.

 

Throw Bolsinger in AAA and try to acquire a Jesse Chavez type to stick into the front end of the bullpen. Sign a few vets off the scrap heap with minor league deals, like they did with Fausto Hernandez and Wade LeBlanc last year, and that makes for some reasonable depth. Heck, I wouldn't be opposed to adding Wade LeBlanc to the pen if he's non-tendered by Pittsburgh.

 

They'll be making those type of acquisitions in January, no worries.