How much money would you give Donaldson this offseason?

[Spanky99]

Here are the options:

 

1) Extend JD for max $$ for 7-8 yrs (you know he will accept nothing less)

2) Let him walk as a FA

3) Trade him for controllable assets

 

There are so many considerations here. Budget - tying down the budget to a limited # of players (Martin, Tulo, JD, EE?) leaving insufficient $$ to field a team without significant holes. Risk that Tulo range will decline and he needs to be moved to 3B? Vlad's prospect grade (A prospect? - anticipated elite, AS level)?

 

Shatkins is going to consider all this and other things we don't know about (JD medical reports), and yes, potential JD replacements including from the farm when making a decision. They wouldnt be doing their job if they didnt.

 

You've back-peddled, this isn't what King is/was replying to? Go...

[Jimcanuck]

You've back-peddled, this isn't what King is/was replying to? Go...

 

Guilty as charged. Should have worded it better.

[gbill2004]

None. I'll take his two more prime years and then let someone else pay for his past prime years

 

This.

[Spanky99]

Guilty as charged. Should have worded it better.

 

Sheeeeeeiiiit... no more popcorn?

[wamco]

Dodgers would be a possible fit. Donaldson for Turner and Peterson

That is stupid. Don't say stupid things

[FrozenRopes]

I don't sign him for anything right now.

[wamco]

So.. to make a super-util you probably need to find a player with talent who's career isn't exactly working out at this point.

 

Someone with warts... a Justin Turner, who hasn't become Justin Turner yet, someone who would be happy to play 125 games at first, second, third and even a bit of outfield just to get another chance to make the most of their talent... and of course that someone would also have to be able to play those positions.

 

I hate to say it but Brett Lawrie may be non-tendered.

 

 

I said this the other day. Certainly athletic enough to learn lf

[Spanky99]

I don't sign him for anything right now.

 

Why? Just wondering, meat?

[Spanky99]

I said this the other day. Certainly athletic enough to learn lf

 

How do you sell him on that, meat?

[FrozenRopes]

I said this the other day. Certainly athletic enough to learn lf

 

Brett Lawrie is an over rated Canadian athlete.

[Spanky99]

Wow... you guys...

[TheHurl]

I think Vlad Jr. ripping up Lansing as an 18 year old would have no consideration what they do with JD. Talk when he starts tearing up AA. You're a dumbass.

 

...and proves he's a 3B long term.

[MunenoriKawasakiMVP]

If Lawrie gets rid of that retarded late hitch in his swing he will be much better count on it.

[Spanky99]

...and proves he's a 3B long term.

 

I've already said this, bro. U suxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[Olerud363]

How do you sell him on that, meat?

 

If he gets non tendered would he end up having that many options??

 

Does he care that much anyway?? I don't remember him kicking up a fuss when they moved him to second for some games in 2014.

[Spanky99]

If he gets non tendered would he end up having that many options??

 

Does he care that much anyway?? I don't remember him kicking up a fuss when they moved him to second for some games in 2014.

 

Ifs and buts.... c'mon Olerud?

[wamco]

Actually he complained to the media that he was a 3bman and not a 3b-2b man. So he went along with it but not without the lawrie whining. I think being around tulo and Martin could only be a good thing for him. That and a few cheeseburgers and a new mouth guard.

[Olerud363]

Ifs and buts.... c'mon Olerud?

 

I'm the first to admit I have no idea if any of this is realistic... just sayin' that super-utils have to come from players looking to re-establish themselves, like you said a guy like Justin Turner is looking for a full time 3rd base job...

 

I think your point about Jose Ramirez was good... Richard Urena, assuming he keeps on developing could play the same role soon.

 

If Urena is doing well at aa, he may be the logical choice to fill in for an injury... then if he does OK he could transition to super-utl.

 

People will slam me, and say "no way bro, Urena is ss of the future, Shapiro will give him as much time as he needs"

 

Shapiro didn't give Jose Ramirez as much time as he needs, he was called up based on need and performance, and he struggled at times, but he is doing fine this year.

[Grant77]

I'm the first to admit I have no idea if any of this is realistic... just sayin' that super-utils have to come from players looking to re-establish themselves, like you said a guy like Justin Turner is looking for a full time 3rd base job...

 

I think your point about Jose Ramirez was good... Richard Urena, assuming he keeps on developing could play the same role soon.

 

If Urena is doing well at aa, he may be the logical choice to fill in for an injury... then if he does OK he could transition to super-utl.

 

People will slam me, and say "no way bro, Urena is ss of the future, Shapiro will give him as much time as he needs"

 

Shapiro didn't give Jose Ramirez as much time as he needs, he was called up based on need and performance, and he struggled at times, but he is doing fine this year.

 

Urena needs an awful lot of refinement at shortstop before anyone anoints him as Tulo 's replacement. He made a careless play or error in almost every game I watched.

[Brownie19]

Dave Cameron suggested 5 years $35M AAV right now on the Fan this morning

[Terminator]

Dave Cameron suggested 5 years $35M AAV right now on the Fan this morning

 

I like those numbers. But would it be on top of the 1 year he's already signed for, the two years of control, or just right now?

[RealAccountant]

I like those numbers. But would it be on top of the 1 year he's already signed for, the two years of control, or just right now?

 

So assuming he is at 2/40 for the next two years he is at which makes the other 3 years at 135 Mil. Virtually you are buying 3 years at 45/year

[Brownie19]

I like those numbers. But would it be on top of the 1 year he's already signed for, the two years of control, or just right now?

 

I believe he put it in context of ripping up his current agreement and paying him current market value today - for 5 years. Personally, I like it as we're only investing for his age 31-35 seasons. Get it done.

[Brownie19]

So assuming he is at 2/40 for the next two years he is at which makes the other 3 years at 135 Mil. Virtually you are buying 3 years at 45/year

 

That's probably better than buying 6 years at $30M and paying him for his 36-38 age seasons.

[Spanky99]

I believe he put it in context of ripping up his current agreement and paying him current market value today - for 5 years. Personally, I like it as we're only investing for his age 31-35 seasons. Get it done.

 

I really like this idea... JD would be crazy not to take that.

[DonnieBaseball]

I think you wait and see how he plays in 2017 after the hip surgery.