How much money would you give Donaldson this offseason?

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I'm unsure if this is the real Big B posting from that account. Not enough exclamation marks.

 

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[Olerud363]

f*** you Hater,stop with the Labels....LOl

 

If you want a Justin Turner you have to scour the rosters of the other teams, and find one, that isn't Justin Turner yet...

[BTS]

Mods, please ban BBBB. Thx.

[Brownie19]

He's not a utility player anymore, he played 1200 innings at 3B last year and 1 inning at 1B.

 

Is there a case to be made that versatile, good players (Bryant, Zobrist, etc.) who play that sort of start/utility role are more valuable to a team than a guy who's stuck at one position? With more new-age managers in the game, I would think players might market themselves as being more valuable to an organization because they can play multiple positions.

[BTS]

Is there a case to be made that versatile, good players (Bryant, Zobrist, etc.) who play that sort of start/utility role are more valuable to a team than a guy who's stuck at one position? With more new-age managers in the game, I would think players might market themselves as being more valuable to an organization because they can play multiple positions.

 

I agree with you, but in the context of this discussion, Turner isn't likely interested in signing with a team that already has JD, and the money it would likely cost to get him to play 1B primarily will be prohibitive, because you're still paying for his high-end 3B defense.

[Spanky99]

lol... some 'yo bro' is scrolling down and down on his phone right now looking for some microposts to read...

 

I don't follow? Oh... nvm... I get it.

[HERPDERP]

Mods, please ban BBBB. Thx.

 

BBBB's enthusiasm makes this place bearable. Without him, we would all be insufferable ****s

[Brownie19]

Sorry but most of these guys shouldn't even be in the same breath when trying to compare players of the same calibre to JD... just because they had big contracts doesn't mean they were worth the risk to sign.

 

Fair enough - but there are comparable ones in Pujols, Mauer, D.Wright & Griffey Jr. You could even argue Crawford (coming off 5.9 and 7.7 WAR years), Ellsbury (who had a 9.4 WAR year and was coming off a 5.6 WAR year) and Kemp (coming off a 8.3 WAR year) are close.

 

Ironically, the best comparisons all completely fell off a cliff almost the day they signed the massive deal...

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

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[Spanky99]

Is there a case to be made that versatile, good players (Bryant, Zobrist, etc.) who play that sort of start/utility role are more valuable to a team than a guy who's stuck at one position? With more new-age managers in the game, I would think players might market themselves as being more valuable to an organization because they can play multiple positions.

 

You'd need 30 teams like the Cubs and Dodgers, lol.

[BTS]

After you, Loser!!!!

 

call for mods again you whinny little bitch!!!!

 

LOL you need to lighten up buddy!!!!

 

or fight me to the death, a duel !!!!!

 

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[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I agree with you, but in the context of this discussion, Turner isn't likely interested in signing with a team that already has JD, and the money it would likely cost to get him to play 1B primarily will be prohibitive, because you're still paying for his high-end 3B defense.

 

or i would be paying for his high end defense at first. Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

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[AdamGreenwood]

Nothing about upton and smoak should make you "awfully glad"

 

Depends on the replacement level players.

If you're satisfied with Casey Kotchman at 1st and Junior Lake in OF, then no need for those guys.

[Governator]

Fair enough - but there are comparable ones in Pujols, Mauer, D.Wright & Griffey Jr. You could even argue Crawford (coming off 5.9 and 7.7 WAR years), Ellsbury (who had a 9.4 WAR year and was coming off a 5.6 WAR year) and Kemp (coming off a 8.3 WAR year) are close.

 

Ironically, the best comparisons all completely fell off a cliff almost the day they signed the massive deal...

 

 

What about guys who play 3B? I'd say Chipper Jones is a pretty solid comparative. I believe his $90MM contract covered ages 29-35 but he still did a 7 WAR season when he was 36. Even late in his career he was still a well above average bat which would have worked more in his favour if his team had a DH option.

[Brownie19]

What about guys who play 3B? I'd say Chipper Jones is a pretty solid comparative. I believe his $90MM contract covered ages 29-35 but he still did a 7 WAR season when he was 36. Even late in his career he was still a well above average bat which would have worked more in his favour if his team had a DH option.

 

Beltre is another one. There are examples of one's that worked out too...don't get me wrong. Seems to be a lot more that didn't...even from guys who were at JDs level when they signed.

[Jonn]

Under no circumstance do you give him a contract of that magnitude. You either make the decision to play it out or trade him. I feel they will play it out as they are unlikely to save any money at this point regardless.

[Jimcanuck]

Would like to see another year of 3B of the future before considering signing JD. And if that future 3B is doing well at Lansing by the AS break 2017, and the team is middling around .500 as I expect, trading JD has to be option 1.

[Spanky99]

Would like to see another year of 3B of the future before considering signing JD. And if that future 3B is doing well at Lansing by the AS break 2017, and the team is middling around .500 as I expect, trading JD has to be option 1.

 

Vladdy or Bichette... c'mon man, they're years away.

[Jimcanuck]

Vladdy or Bichette... c'mon man, they're years away.

 

Baseball america had age 20 for Vlad, whats that 2019? If Vlad is still looking like the real deal mid 2017, do you sign JD to a multi year potentially immovable contract that will block Vlad at 3B or do you trade JD for young assets with huge surplus value potential?

[Spanky99]

Baseball america had age 20 for Vlad, whats that 2019? If Vlad is still looking like the real deal mid 2017, do you sign JD to a multi year potentially immovable contract that will block Vlad at 3B or do you trade JD for young assets with huge surplus value potential?

 

That's being generous... 20' minimum, also can he stick at 3rd? Remains to be seen, this all remains to be seen, actually.

[King]

Would like to see another year of 3B of the future before considering signing JD. And if that future 3B is doing well at Lansing by the AS break 2017, and the team is middling around .500 as I expect, trading JD has to be option 1.

Jesus Christ.

[Jimcanuck]

Jesus Christ.

 

What? Teams don't look at few years down the horizon? Of course they are optimizing decisions based on talent on the farm, trade offers, salary demands, etc etc

[King]

What? Teams don't look at few years down the horizon? Of course they are optimizing decisions based on talent on the farm, trade offers, salary demands, etc etc

You're an idiot if you think they are moving Donaldson in July next year just because Vlad is ripping up Lansing (4 levels below MLB!). Not even sure if I am bothering with this. What a dumbass.

 

Stick to pavement Jim.

[Jimcanuck]

You're an idiot if you think they are moving Donaldson in July next year just because Vlad is ripping up Lansing (4 levels below MLB!). Not even sure if I am bothering with this. What a dumbass.

 

You don't think its a consideration when they decide what to do with JD? If that's what you think, you are the dumbass.

[King]

You don't think its a consideration when they decide what to do with JD? If that's what you think, you are the dumbass.

 

I think Vlad Jr. ripping up Lansing as an 18 year old would have no consideration what they do with JD. Talk when he starts tearing up AA. You're a dumbass.

[King]

Has there ever been a case of a team trading a franchise cornerstone MVP 3B due to a player tearing up Low A?

[Spanky99]

[Spanky99]

Has there ever been a case of a team trading a franchise cornerstone MVP 3B due to a player tearing up Low A?

 

lol

[Jimcanuck]

I think Vlad Jr. ripping up Lansing as an 18 year old would have no consideration what they do with JD. Talk when he starts tearing up AA. You're a dumbass.

 

Here are the options:

 

1) Extend JD for max $$ for 7-8 yrs (you know he will accept nothing less)

2) Let him walk as a FA

3) Trade him for controllable assets

 

There are so many considerations here. Budget - tying down the budget to a limited # of players (Martin, Tulo, JD, EE?) leaving insufficient $$ to field a team without significant holes. Risk that Tulo range will decline and he needs to be moved to 3B? Vlad's prospect grade (A prospect? - anticipated elite, AS level)?

 

Shatkins is going to consider all this and other things we don't know about (JD medical reports), and yes, potential JD replacements including from the farm when making a decision. They wouldnt be doing their job if they didnt.