Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[burlingtonbandit]

There's also a decent chance Danny Barnes outperforms Robertson, so why bother.

 

I wouldn't say that. Robertson was elite for 5 straight years before last year. Barnes is also projected to be worse.

[george09]

Do you guys expect Smoak to play a lot of 1B next year? I really hope he doesn't.

[Jimcanuck]

Do you guys expect Smoak to play a lot of 1B next year? I really hope he doesn't.

 

I hope he plays well and does. If he doesn't there are other options, Pearce and Bautista among them.

[Jimcanuck]

I wouldn't say that. Robertson was elite for 5 straight years before last year. Barnes is also projected to be worse.

 

Barnes has options and makes MLB min. Barnes for Robertson doesn't make sense unless it's a Melvin Upton type deal.

[george09]

Well right now we have Zeke/Upton in LF.

 

The only way to get away from that is to play Pearce in LF and Smoak at 1B.

 

I still can't really believe we are going with this.

 

 

 

Zeke can't platoon with Upton tho, he can't hit RHP. Good way to get away from that is to trade Smoak.

[Orgfiller]

Barnes has options and makes MLB min. Barnes for Robertson doesn't make sense unless it's a Melvin Upton type deal.

 

You missed the point completely.

[Jimcanuck]

You missed the point completely.

 

No. I agree with Thanos there's a decent chance Barnes outperforms Robertson and factoring in salary and years of control, deal does not make sense unless CWS eats a big chunk of the salary. Like $20M of the $25M owed. Even then it's an iffy deal.

[Grant77]

No. I agree with Thanos there's a decent chance Barnes outperforms Robertson and factoring in salary and years of control, deal does not make sense unless CWS eats a big chunk of the salary. Like $20M of the $25M owed. Even then it's an iffy deal.

 

The point was that David Robertson would be a worthwhile addition if we can get him for a peripheral roster player or mid-range prospect. Danny Barnes was just a name thrown out there, not a suggestion.

[Jimcanuck]

The point was that David Robertson would be a worthwhile addition if we can get him for a peripheral roster player or mid-range prospect. Danny Barnes was just a name thrown out there, not a suggestion.

 

Not a name thrown out there. wk680 proposed Barnes for Robertson and $10M. I'm saying that's a bad deal. Isn't that the purpose of BJMB, to discuss these things?

[burlingtonbandit]

Barnes has options and makes MLB min. Barnes for Robertson doesn't make sense unless it's a Melvin Upton type deal.

 

I didn't say trade Barnes for Robertson... Said I don't think there is a decent chance Barnes is better than him.

[Jimcanuck]

I didn't say trade Barnes for Robertson... Said I don't think there is a decent chance Barnes is better than him.

 

Steamer has Barnes at 0.6 WAR, Robertson at 0.8 WAR. Barnes has upside, Robertson on the downside of his career. I would say there is a decent chance Barnes 2017 is Biagini 2016.

[Grant77]

Not a name thrown out there. wk680 proposed Barnes for Robertson and $10M. I'm saying that's a bad deal. Isn't that the purpose of BJMB, to discuss these things?

 

One person said 'the likes of Danny Barnes' in the context of a larger discussion about David Robertson. I get that you like him a ton for whatever reason, but you derailed the entire conversation for no reason. Just pretend he said some other peripheral roster piece that isn't very important to the success of the team.

 

Adding Robertson and a lefty would give us the bullpen that we need to compete in the East.

 

Osuna

Robertson

Grilli

Blevins?

Biagini

??

Bolsinger

 

Even then, there is a fair bit of uncertainty, but we have some interesting pieces to audition and can handle some uncertainty in the final 2 spots.

[wk680]

Not a name thrown out there. wk680 proposed Barnes for Robertson and $10M. I'm saying that's a bad deal. Isn't that the purpose of BJMB, to discuss these things?

 

Actually I said "take the likes of a Danny Barnes in return". I think the reason I singled out Barnes is that he does show some intriguing potential upside and is ready to contribute now. I don't think we can assume White Sox are as desperate to unload Robertson as SD was with Upton. The assumption was they would want something other than a mid-level prospect or two. Jays sure aren't going to give top prospects, so maybe a guy who has shown a small sample of MLB proficiency is what will make it work. Anyway, now that we are all focusing on Barnes, let's hope he does as well as he show signs of (really just needs to continue what he showed in 12 MLB appearances last season over a full season and he will be golden).

[Bobthe4th]

One person said 'the likes of Danny Barnes' in the context of a larger discussion about David Robertson. I get that you like him a ton for whatever reason, but you derailed the entire conversation for no reason. Just pretend he said some other peripheral roster piece that isn't very important to the success of the team.

 

Adding Robertson and a lefty would give us the bullpen that we need to compete in the East.

 

Osuna

Robertson

Grilli

Blevins?

Biagini

??

Bolsinger

 

Even then, there is a fair bit of uncertainty, but we have some interesting pieces to audition and can handle some uncertainty in the final 2 spots.

 

Don't forget Floyd - he's more likely to win the longman role than Bolsinger.

[Grant77]

Don't forget Floyd - he's more likely to win the longman role than Bolsinger.

 

I'll wait to see if his right arm is still attached on Opening Day before making that statement.

[Bobthe4th]

I'll wait to see if his right arm is still attached on Opening Day before making that statement.

 

Haha

[z3r0s]

I love the idea of adding Robertson, but he's going to costs too much (in prospects, and bucks). Would make the pen a hell of a lot better tho.

[glory]

[RealAccountant]

 

Sigh.

[Abomination]

 

Smallish sample sizes, but his stuff is soooo inconsistent. One year a pitch is good, the next it's batting practice. He does seem to have good movement on the fastball, and if he converts to relief he could possibly sit mid 90s with the potential for a plus secondary pitch.

 

I wonder if he'll be SP depth, or convert to the pen? MiLB contract regardless, so no downside.

[Terminator]

This isn't a bad signing. I'd like to use him as a SP, there's a decent chance he'd actually get some starts for us given our lack of depth. He's not great but he's definitely better than the Ramon Ortiz/Tomo Ohka depth signings of yesteryear.

[Brownie19]

One person said 'the likes of Danny Barnes' in the context of a larger discussion about David Robertson. I get that you like him a ton for whatever reason, but you derailed the entire conversation for no reason. Just pretend he said some other peripheral roster piece that isn't very important to the success of the team.

 

Adding Robertson and a lefty would give us the bullpen that we need to compete in the East.

 

Osuna

Robertson

Grilli

Blevins?

Biagini

??

Bolsinger

 

Even then, there is a fair bit of uncertainty, but we have some interesting pieces to audition and can handle some uncertainty in the final 2 spots.

 

Jesus if we traded for Robertson and signed Blevins, there's be little to no uncertainty in our pen...at least no more uncertainty than any of the other top bullpens in baseball.

[Ray]

Will it really cost that much to get Robertson? He's owed $25 million over the next 2 years which is insane for a reliever. Sox eating some cash and us giving up a B-level prospect would likely get the job done.

 

Either way, I don't think getting Robertson is the way to go. Just hope we strike gold with a couple of these minor league signings, and sign a established reliever like a Blevins. And then just upgrade the 'pen as the season goes on through trades.

[Daniel Labude]

I'd gladly take on the salary for a mid range prospect, but I suspect that they would want more.

 

The article I read said the White Sox expect a prospect haul for Robertson

[THANOS]

The article I read said the White Sox expect a prospect haul for Robertson

 

Yeah, don't see that deal materializing lol.

[Brownie19]

Yeah, don't see that deal materializing lol.

 

Given the haul that Andrew Miller and Chapman netted the Yanks last year (couple of top 30 prospects), the White Sox should hold him, hope for a bounce back season and trade him at the deadline. I mean he's not Chapman or Miller, but he's been a dominate pitcher throughout his career. There's absolutely no reason to trade him for some non-prospect while eating salary.....the Sox aren't financially strapped, they're just rebuilding.

 

New topic.

[THANOS]

Given the haul that Andrew Miller and Chapman netted the Yanks last year (couple of top 30 prospects), the White Sox should hold him, hope for a bounce back season and trade him at the deadline. I mean he's not Chapman or Miller, but he's been a dominate pitcher throughout his career. There's absolutely no reason to trade him for some non-prospect while eating salary.....the Sox aren't financially strapped, they're just rebuilding.

 

New topic.

 

Given the market, probably. Thank God we have Shapiro and Atkins though, to prevent that from happening. The most I'd be comfortable giving up for Robertson is someone like Ryan Borucki.

[Dr. Dinger]

I would love to get Robertson assuming the Sox keep some salary, I've been on that train for awhile. He has been an elite reliever and is one year removed from a 2.27 xFIP. He's not going to return a Top 100 prospect, so I don't see why people are objecting to him.

[Spanky99]

I would love to get Robertson assuming the Sox keep some salary, I've been on that train for awhile. He has been an elite reliever and is one year removed from a 2.27 xFIP. He's not going to return a Top 100 prospect, so I don't see why people are objecting to him.

 

I wouldn't be against it if the price was right, problem is it came from Cafardo, that dude is a click-bait, hack.

[Gary]

Robertson is no more than a sexy name and fat contract.