Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Ray]

Would Tim Lincecum be worth it bought in as a bullpen arm? Clearly doesn't have it as a starter anymore, but I think he can be good out of the pen.

[Slade]

Would Tim Lincecum be worth it bought in as a bullpen arm? Clearly doesn't have it as a starter anymore, but I think he can be good out of the pen.

 

Stuff isn't there and command is gone. Going to the bullpen not going to help him much.

[Bobthe4th]

On paper Pompey is exactly what we need. A young, fast, switch hitting outfielder, who isn't a liability defensively.

 

But he's sucked in the (limited) chances he's had in the majors, and Gibby doesn't trust him. It's so frustrating that we may have to settle for signing a relatively limited OF in the weak remaining free agent pool, or give up something valuable in a trade.

 

I hope Pompey gets a shot in spring training to convince Gibby if we haven't traded him by then.

[JFD]

We need an established above average left handed hitting outfielder desperately. Pompey can't hit.

[Bobthe4th]

We need an established above average left handed hitting outfielder desperately. Pompey can't hit.

 

My point is that doesn't exist in the remaining free agent market, we'd have to weaken another area to obtain it in a trade, and that so far in his career Pompey hasn't shown he can do that either.

 

But Pompey has the potential to be a close approximation. It's inaccurate to state conclusively that Pompey can't hit. What's frustrating is that we may never know, because it seems unlikely he'll be given another chance.

[Brownie19]

My point is that doesn't exist in the remaining free agent market, we'd have to weaken another area to obtain it in a trade, and that so far in his career Pompey hasn't shown he can do that either.

 

But Pompey has the potential to be a close approximation. It's inaccurate to state conclusively that Pompey can't hit. What's frustrating is that we may never know, because it seems unlikely he'll be given another chance.

 

Pillar can't hit either and he provides a ton of value to this team. There's a chance if given 550 PA's that Pompey could provide as much value as Revere or Dyson could (2 names often mentioned as options).

[Frenchsoup]

Pillar can't hit either and he provides a ton of value to this team. There's a chance if given 550 PA's that Pompey could provide as much value as Revere or Dyson could (2 names often mentioned as options).

 

I just worry about Pompey's approach. He gets really pull happy because he is so explosive, he was getting destroyed on the changeup. But if he just hits the fastball the other way, he could be a massive help.

[Bobthe4th]

Pillar can't hit either and he provides a potential ton of value to this team. There's a chance if given 550 PA's that Pompey could provide as much value as Revere or Dyson could (2 names often mentioned as options).

 

Exactly, FWIW I think he'll have at least an OK career if we trade him somewhere he'd get a chance to play. He may never be more than a OK outfielder, but he could be a lot better than that. Of course he could also be a lot worse, and never make it, something I think is more likely if he stays.

[Governator]

I've been wanting Pompey to have a regular role for a while now, the fact is he'd provide more value than Smoak. Bench/DFA Smoak and have Pearce or Bautista man first base with Pompey in a corner spot. For an internal option without giving up an asset or adding additional payroll we have a filled a hole and improved the team. A better fielder than Bautista, switch hitting bat with speed at the bottom of the line up (maybe at some even point the top) and predicts a full win better than Smoak. Why the f*** do we even have Smoak again?

[burlingtonbandit]

The big Question Mark with Pompey is his defense . He's graded positively there in his brief stints in the major leagues but he's looks like he plays scared of making a mistake. The scouting reports say his routes need to improve too so its tough to gauge his value.

[burlingtonbandit]

I just worry about Pompey's approach. He gets really pull happy because he is so explosive, he was getting destroyed on the changeup. But if he just hits the fastball the other way, he could be a massive help.

 

Looks like thats what he did in AAA last year and the results weren't good. As Donaldson says "They don't pay you to hit groundballs"

[Governator]

The big Question Mark with Pompey is his defense . He's graded positively there in his brief stints in the major leagues but he's looks like he plays scared of making a mistake. The scouting reports say his routes need to improve too so its tough to gauge his value.

 

 

I'd gamble on him being better than Bautista defensively.

[puphood]

Pomey needs to make bunting a state of art or at least a consistent contact hitter. What I have seen in the past is though he has speed in the outfield some of his ball playing decisions were well below acceptable....

[reedjohnsonfan]

He's probably a lot better than a lot of the options in this thread anyway. I would almost expect him to be worth more WAR that say Moss or Bruce

 

Also Pearce. Factoring in injury risks/aging/these sorts of things, Pompey could be the team's 2nd best outfielder at the moment.

[G-Snarls]

Also Pearce. Factoring in injury risks/aging/these sorts of things, Pompey could be the team's 2nd best outfielder at the moment.

 

Agreed

 

Pillar is our only above average defensive OF and the other options mentioned aren't good either

[Candy Maldonado]

Out of options Blue Jays: http://m.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article/211094012/blue-jays-face-out-of-options-roster-decisions/

[burlingtonbandit]

I'd gamble on him being better than Bautista defensively.

 

Not much of a gamble lol... I'd bet Jose have the better all around season.

[Laika]

Also Pearce.

 

Well, no.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Well, no.

 

Pearce is pretty old and hasn't played a full season (I'm sure you know this). I admit he's probably a better player than Pompey so I was exaggerating, but it's not like he's some legitimate starting corner OF.

[Jonn]

Out of options Blue Jays: http://m.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article/211094012/blue-jays-face-out-of-options-roster-decisions/

 

Lots of easy decisions.

[Laika]

I admit he's probably a better player than Pompey

 

K. Good?

[Boxcar]

Pearce is pretty old and hasn't played a full season (I'm sure you know this). I admit he's probably a better player than Pompey so I was exaggerating, but it's not like he's some legitimate starting corner OF.

 

Half a season of Pearce = average production from a full time player.

 

Which means Steve Pearce is bad.

 

Or something.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Half a season of Pearce = average production from a full time player.

 

Which means Steve Pearce is bad.

 

Or something.

 

You admitted you're high on him, which is fine. I just don't think plugging him in as an everyday player is a smart move. It's not that he's a bad player.

[Boxcar]

You admitted you're high on him, which is fine. I just don't think plugging him in as an everyday player is a smart move. It's not that he's a bad player.

 

Your logic is terrible, though. You seem to be saying that, even though he's been an excellent player when he gets playing time and has hit at a 130 wRC+ clip over his last 900+ PAs, he's not good enough to be a full time player because other teams bench him. Is it not possible that Baltimore is just really dumb? Because that's who was making him ride the pine. He was TB's best player prior to being traded.

 

Can you reason why Pearce should not be playing FT using actual numbers?

[reedjohnsonfan]

Your logic is terrible, though. You seem to be saying that, even though he's been an excellent player when he gets playing time and has hit at a 130 wRC+ clip over his last 900+ PAs, he's not good enough to be a full time player because other teams bench him. Is it not possible that Baltimore is just really dumb? Because that's who was making him ride the pine. He was TB's best player prior to being traded.

 

Can you reason why Pearce should not be playing FT using actual numbers?

 

To be honest it's late and I don't want to get into a long post.

 

Actual number: he signed for 2 years 12.5 million. This signals he's not a highly coveted player taking everything into account.

 

Sure the market is not perfect, but there's plenty of smart teams out there. Some combination of health concerns (not huge but still present), never playing a full season- whether you think is irrational or not it still happened for some reason, and his age played to some varying degree a role in his small contract. To me it screams small budget team, willing to give him a chance in his age 34 season. We could keep going on, but it's clear a lot of teams weren't jumping at him. If you think the Jays got some sort of steal, good for you!

[Boxcar]

To be honest it's late and I don't want to get into a long post.

 

Actual number: he signed for 2 years 12.5 million. This signals he's not a highly coveted player taking everything into account.

 

Sure the market is not perfect, but there's plenty of smart teams out there. Some combination of health concerns (not huge but still present), never playing a full season- whether you think is irrational or not it still happened for some reason, and his age played to some varying degree a role in his small contract. To me it screams small budget team, willing to give him a chance in his age 34 season. We could keep going on, but it's clear a lot of teams weren't jumping at him. If you think the Jays got some sort of steal, good for you!

 

You could have avoided the long post by just saying "no"

 

Not sure why I expected an ounce of nuance from you but I guess I learned my lesson.

[Bobthe4th]

Out of options Blue Jays: http://m.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article/211094012/blue-jays-face-out-of-options-roster-decisions/

 

Quote from that article "Blue Jays manager John Gibbons indicated Smoak and Pearce will platoon at first"

 

Damn it.

[Boxcar]

Quote from that article "Blue Jays manager John Gibbons indicated Smoak and Pearce will platoon at first"

 

Damn it.

 

Sigh

 

So stupid

[glory]

Quote from that article "Blue Jays manager John Gibbons indicated Smoak and Pearce will platoon at first"

 

Damn it.

 

Well if there's one positive to Gibbons, it's that he seems to hate Smoak as much as the rest of us, so that platoon idea may not last long.

 

It better not.

[Boxcar]

Well if there's one positive to Gibbons, it's that he seems to hate Smoak as much as the rest of us, so that platoon idea may not last long.

 

It better not.

 

Reminds me of how the Rays used Pearce to start last season...before they finally realized that he was better at everything compared to LoMo.