Report: Blue Jays plan to offer Encarnacion long-term deal

[BTS]

That may be true but if he wants to stay in Toronto and he even said so in English (which is rare for him) then giving him 4/80 vs 4/90 shouldn't be a big deal to him.

I don't see him as the ego type that wants to get paid the most just for the sake of it. He wants to get paid and he wants to stay where he is now.

 

As long as our offer is competitive vs anything else available, he should accept it.

Besides, I don't think Red Sox want more contracts like Hanley Ramirez and and Panda.

 

Players always pay lip service to the fans by saying that they want to stay, and 99% of the time that means "offer me as much as everyone else and I'll stay". If the team wants Edwin, you have to assume that they'll have to pay him as much or more than any other team is willing to pay him.

[flafson]

Players always pay lip service to the fans by saying that they want to stay, and 99% of the time that means "offer me as much as everyone else and I'll stay". If the team wants Edwin, you have to assume that they'll have to pay him as much or more than any other team is willing to pay him.

 

That is true but when he said that, he was celebrating with champagne in his eyes, pretty sure it was an impulsive response on his part.

[Governator]

Players always pay lip service to the fans by saying that they want to stay, and 99% of the time that means "offer me as much as everyone else and I'll stay". If the team wants Edwin, you have to assume that they'll have to pay him as much or more than any other team is willing to pay him.

 

 

There are other factors...

 

 

I've always thought that despite what they have to say in the media, team success is probably like the 5th or 6th most important factor in deciding where to play:

 

1. salary

2. how much the city works for them and their family

3. tax impacts of living in that city

4. relationships they have with people employed by the team

5. odds of team success

 

The fans like to assume that 5 is everything, and generally the players play along.

[glory]

Yeah I don't think anything has changed. A four year deal takes him through age 37, and he will likely decline well before that. They will probably make an offer that makes sense for the team (something along the lines of what Cespedes got minus the player opt out) but I don't think they will be making any sentimental moves that don't make long term sense.

 

I think Jose's poor season (by his standards) makes him more realistic for this front office than Edwin. But if you want to give less years and higher AAV to minimize risk, then someone like Carlos Gomez makes sense. Maybe a trade for Puig. There are options out there.

[BTS]

There are other factors...

 

lol, yeah. Factors 2 and 4 probably mean he'd stay, all else being equal, unlike most free agents who treat Canada like Siberia.

[Stangstag]

Remember that time Edwin played LF last year?

 

Good times

[Grant77]

Fans are so cynical about sports and money. Players care about other factors, just like everyone else. They aren't all greedy pieces of s*** that don't care about their families or teammates.

[Dr Negative]

Yeah I don't think anything has changed. A four year deal takes him through age 37, and he will likely decline well before that. They will probably make an offer that makes sense for the team (something along the lines of what Cespedes got minus the player opt out) but I don't think they will be making any sentimental moves that don't make long term sense.

 

I think Jose's poor season (by his standards) makes him more realistic for this front office than Edwin. But if you want to give less years and higher AAV to minimize risk, then someone like Carlos Gomez makes sense. Maybe a trade for Puig. There are options out there.

 

I think so many clubs are going to see Carlos Gomez as a buy low candidate that he won't end up being one.

[RealAccountant]

If you look at the AL East landscape. Yes both the Redsox and Yankees have young position players, and Orioles have a good offense. However none of these teams will be able to compete with our rotation for the next 2-3 years,

 

Given the above determination, it would be a misstep to give up the offensive strength we have. If we come back with the same team for the next two years, we will be a playoff team for the next two years. Thats two more shots at a championship,

 

We need to retain EE and Bautista, and keep this offence together. We can add a some platoon partners, and maybe improve backup catcher etc. Then add relief pitching.

[fatcowxlive]

Remember that time Edwin played LF last year?

 

Good times

 

in atlanta or some NL park right? We ran Colabello out there too loooool

 

Still better than Corey Patterson!!!

[Jimcanuck]

We need to retain EE and Bautista, and keep this offence together. We can add a some platoon partners, and maybe improve backup catcher etc. Then add relief pitching.

 

No. Jays played their best ball this year when Bautista was injured. For what he brings at this stage of his career, Bautista is not hard to replace.

[glory]

I think so many clubs are going to see Carlos Gomez as a buy low candidate that he won't end up being one.

 

Yeah he had a good finish to the season in Texas. Get him on a 1 or 2 year deal at a higher AAV and I think it's a better option. But if he's getting long term deals elsewhere, then pass.

[RealAccountant]

No. Jays played their best ball this year when Bautista was injured. For what he brings at this stage of his career, Bautista is not hard to replace.

 

No they played their best ball right now when they beat 3 playoff teams with 6 consecutive wins 4 of them on the road.

 

Bautista was a very big part of that

[RealAccountant]

Bautista is not hard to replace.

 

Really is that why it took 20 years to find him prior to which we had all kinds of poor results from right field

 

Dont kid yourself. The reason you are watching playoffs baseball today is because we acquired Jose Bautista in 2008. This could have still been a bottom rung franchise

[Governator]

Really is that why it took 20 years to find him prior to which we had all kinds of poor results from right field

 

Dont kid yourself. The reason you are watching playoffs baseball today is because we acquired Jose Bautista in 2008. This could have still been a bottom rung franchise

 

 

You don't pay someone from what they did in the past but what they will do for you in the future...

 

Also, Shawn Green says hi.

[burlingtonbandit]

A lot of the time its not even up to the players as they face huge pressure from their agents and the MLBPA to take the most money.

[AdamGreenwood]

Rather than do something along the lines of 4 years for $85 million.

I'd rather the Jays did 7 years and $110 million.

 

Sure, we probably won't get a ton of value out of those last 3 years, but at $8 million a season, it's worth the risk.

And it ensures that Edwin finishes his career as a Blue Jay. It would be nice to have a little stability here.

[Olerud363]

Really is that why it took 20 years to find him prior to which we had all kinds of poor results from right field

 

Dont kid yourself. The reason you are watching playoffs baseball today is because we acquired Jose Bautista in 2008. This could have still been a bottom rung franchise

 

It essentially went Joe Carter, Shaun Green, Raul Mondesi, Alex Rios, Jose Bautista...

 

Rios and Green had some nice years, Carter and Mondesi were over-rated... can't see there was a 20 year struggle to find a right fielder... actually quite a lot of consistency at that position, Even going back to Barfield

[o2cui2i]

I hope they are going to make a truly competitive offer and not a publicity BS offer just to sooth fans.

[KingKat]

I hope they are going to make a truly competitive offer and not a publicity BS offer just to sooth fans.

 

Considering how they handled David Price, I think we can feel fairly confident that they won't make a purely token offer.

[BigRed]

Well, he's averaged like 70 games of average 1B defense a year, and we're talking about his 34-37 seasons. If he's not a bat-only player over his next contract, he's as close as you can get to one. I don't think NL teams look at him.

 

I'd be shocked if there's a single NL team who can compete with a desperate AL team that has the security of being able to DH him.

 

He had more DH starts than 1B starts this year (86 vs. 75). This was partially because Gibbons wanted to work other players like Smoak into the lineup, but if he's starting every game at 1B in the NL then it's probably going to wear on him mentally and physically over 162 games. Also, as he ages the likelihood of him playing 161 games decreases as the risk of injury increases.

 

So in short, he's about as much of a bat only signing as you can get, other than something like a Frank Thomas-esque signing.

 

I doubt the Jays offer him something like a guaranteed 4/80. I'm guessing something closer to the value of a qualifying offer (~16.7M) but over 3 years. I'd be surprised if they offered a 4th year, unless it was a team option.

 

A long term deal doesn't mean they are going to back the Brinks truck up to his house. It just means they are prepared to give him (I'm guessing) 3 years (maybe 4) based on his age. They will offer more than the 10M he's making now, but I can't see this front office giving him 20+ million just because he's been on a team friendly deal in Toronto or his past performance. The fact that a 4 year deal will take him to age 37 will still be a factor, and paying him 20M when he's 37 and probably a full time DH isn't likely to have a positive value at that point.

[UWHabs]

He was worth almost 4 WAR this year. Aging means you should essentially budget for him to be worth something like 8-10 WAR over the next 4 years. At the current rate of around 8m/WAR, that means he should get a deal between 64m and 80m on a 4-year deal, not counting inflation.

 

He is still pretty much limited to AL teams, but the fact that he can play a solid 70 games at 1B certainly has some value. Take a team like Seattle - they already have a DH in Cruz, but since he's a similar type of player who can play about half the time in the field, they can still be in the mix for EE. If he was truly a DH-only (like an Ortiz), then Seattle wouldn't even look at him.

 

He should get more than the Victor Martinez contract, which is 4/68. I'd expect that someone will offer him 4/80 or thereabouts. I'd expect our offer would be closer to 3/60 with a 15-20m option 4th year. Whether that would be enough to get him to sign, hard to say.

[Spanky99]

The prospect of giving $100M to a 34-year old bat-only player who just had a 4% jump in K-rate and 15% decline in wRC+ is scary.

 

I think they'll offer him 4/80, max of course.

Edited October 14, 2016 by Spanky99

[Spanky99]

Report says they offered him 2 years plus options pre season and he turned it down so yes he wants at least 3-4 guaranteed years

 

He also said it wasn't about money, but term. Who knows... offering him 4/80 is enough, we'll see over the winter.

[The Cats Ass]

I think they'll offer him 4/80, max of course.

 

With maybe somekind of options added on the back.

[Mittens87]

Do the players really care about an extra 2-3 million when they are going to make 20 million already? Is it just the agents and family pressure that makes them take the maximum? I read David price doesn't live any different since hitting payday but maybe if he has signed for 20-25 million would Boston media take it easier on him and be less pressure? Maybe not choke in the playoffs

[Terminator]

Do the players really care about an extra 2-3 million when they are going to make 20 million already?

 

Yes.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yes.

 

Obviously players want to get a lot of money but they aren't going to be choosing a team based on like 5 Million if they are already getting over $100 Million.

[Grant77]

Yes.

 

Would you choose your least favourite city and the worst for your family over your top choice for an amount of money that couldn't possibly make a difference in your life?

 

I'm going to guess no. Some players must feel the same way.

[Mittens87]

I'm guessing they aren't going to be making that offer anymore. No home runs for 2 games