Devon Travis injured during melee

[HERPDERP]

http://www.tsn.ca/ugly-night-as-jays-lose-players-hurt-in-brawl-1.574553

 

"Two of Travis’ teammates, in separate conversations with TSN.ca, confided it was their belief that he was hurt during the melee."

 

Thanks, Happ.

[Dr. Dinger]

It's not Happ's fault that Travis charged in and decided to get into a tussle. He could have kept his cool and hung around the periphery of the scrum.

[intentional wok]

The tough guy act has now cost a RP and the team's starting 2B and lead off hitter for a potentially season-deciding series. Totally worth getting into a brawl over a completely predictable retaliation that the Blue Jays initiated in the first place.

 

Jesus Christ, they were leg throws too. Basically the f***ing gentleman act as far as intentional beanings go. For headshots I expect a brawl, but for playing out the drama with some safe butt chucks? f***ing morons.

 

At least any potential suspensions probably won't happen until 2017 anyway, not that the brawl got anywhere near as vicious as the one with Texas.

Edited September 27, 2016 by intentional wok

[BlueJays]

Nice. Thank you Mr. Tough guy.

[RealAccountant]

Time for Go Go ?

[glory]

Definitely Happ's fault. If he doesn't deliberately hit Headley, then none of this happens.

 

I like Happ, but this is on him.

[Brownie19]

Has it been confirmed that Happ acted alone in throwing at Headley? Otherwise - why are we blaming him again?

[HERPDERP]

Has it been confirmed that Happ acted alone in throwing at Headley? Otherwise - why are we blaming him again?

 

Donaldson and Gibby aren't the one pitching on the mound.

 

Happ could've just sucked it up and said that pitching healthy and competitively into the post season is more important than retaliating.

 

Or if he had to send a message, just throw a pitch to the back stop and leave it at that (but he instead went and hit him for a 2nd attempt)

 

I hope the injuries to these two will make someone in the clubhouse or the front office rip this team privately for being so selfish. We already know Shapiro isn't too happy, but I doubt the players will care what he will have to say. It would take a player (such as Tulo) to rip these guys.

[King]

Has it been confirmed that Happ acted alone in throwing at Headley? Otherwise - why are we blaming him again?

"Go get em!"

[Brownie19]

Donaldson and Gibby aren't the one pitching on the mound.

 

Happ could've just sucked it up and said that pitching healthy and competitively into the post season is more important than retaliating.

 

Or if he had to send a message, just throw a pitch to the back stop and leave it at that (but he instead went and hit him for a 2nd attempt)

 

I hope the injuries to these two will make someone in the clubhouse or the front office rip this team privately for being so selfish. We already know Shapiro isn't too happy, but I doubt the players will care what he will have to say. It would take a player (such as Tulo) to rip these guys.

 

I'm just saying if the message came from the team/bench/players - then Happ is just doing what everyone wanted. You say Happ could have handled himself differently - well so could have Travis and Benoit. They could have said this is bad news and I'm sticking near the back. All 5'6 of Travis runs into a gathering of yelling men (it wasn't a fight), gets himself hurt and you want to blame someone else. That's dumn. There wasn't even a fight. It was pushing and yelling. I put this 100% on Travis.

[Daniel Labude]

http://www.tsn.ca/ugly-night-as-jays-lose-players-hurt-in-brawl-1.574553

 

"Two of Travis’ teammates, in separate conversations with TSN.ca, confided it was their belief that he was hurt during the melee."

 

Thanks, Happ.

 

Lets wait to see what is wrong with him he could be back in a couple of days. Happ only gets a little blame imo. Smoak is the one who ended up slamming his bat and engaging Severino as he was charging home plate. If he walked away like it seemed he would, nothing happens. s*** happens. Also if the ump threw Severino out like he started motioning after the first pitch to Smoak it ends there. Blame goes around to all involved. Plus like someone said, they charged the pile...it was their choice to get in the middle.

[pickoff22]

Blaming Happ is ridiculous. Sticking up for your teammates isn't anything new and certainly isn't anything that he should be faulted for. If you want to lay blame, then point to the umps for not ejecting Severino after the first pitch to Smoak, or the Yanks for throwing at another one of our guys. They hit our guy, we hit their guy - it's settled and we all move on. Instead they threw at Smoak again which escalated the whole thing. These two freak injuries aren't on Happ.

[Terminator]

Happ deserves 0% of the blame.

 

Severino is mostly at fault as well as the idiot Jays players who lost their marbles. Run out there fine, but don't get overly aggressive. The ump f***ed up the most though IMO. Why not just eject Severino after he tried to hit Smoak the first time?

[LGBJ29]

Blaming Happ is ridiculous. Sticking up for your teammates isn't anything new and certainly isn't anything that he should be faulted for. If you want to lay blame, then point to the umps for not ejecting Severino after the first pitch to Smoak, or the Yanks for throwing at another one of our guys. They hit our guy, we hit their guy - it's settled and we all move on. Instead they threw at Smoak again which escalated the whole thing. These two freak injuries aren't on Happ.

 

I dont think hitting Donaldson was on purpose. They were throwing side and the pitch skimmed his elbow. Severino was wild all game. The Jays made it an ordeal the following inning

[Sammy225]

The ump f***ed up too. Why not just eject Severino after he tried to hit Smoak the first time.

 

The umps handled it very poorly. I might have even put the warning in effect when Happ went behind Headly and it is likely it ends there.

[Candy Maldonado]

Lets wait to see what is wrong with him he could be back in a couple of days. Happ only gets a little blame imo. Smoak is the one who ended up slamming his bat and engaging Severino as he was charging home plate. If he walked away like it seemed he would, nothing happens. s*** happens. Also if the ump threw Severino out like he started motioning after the first pitch to Smoak it ends there. Blame goes around to all involved. Plus like someone said, they charged the pile...it was their choice to get in the middle.

 

how is this smoak's fault? lmao Maybe you should watch the video 10 more times.

[43211234]

Career over?

[pickoff22]

I dont think hitting Donaldson was on purpose. They were throwing side and the pitch skimmed his elbow. Severino was wild all game. The Jays made it an ordeal the following inning

 

I don't really think it was intentional either. But teams have been retaliated since the game has been played when their star gets hit even if it was just an inside pitch that got away. And obviously Sanchez setup well inside. What Happ did in response isn't anything egregious and it should have just been dropped after that.

[glory]

Blaming Happ is ridiculous. Sticking up for your teammates isn't anything new and certainly isn't anything that he should be faulted for. If you want to lay blame, then point to the umps for not ejecting Severino after the first pitch to Smoak, or the Yanks for throwing at another one of our guys. They hit our guy, we hit their guy - it's settled and we all move on. Instead they threw at Smoak again which escalated the whole thing. These two freak injuries aren't on Happ.

 

Or Happ could have realized that Donaldson hbp was an accident and focused on winning the game instead. Crazy, I know.

 

Using the logic presented here, Bush and Odor should be praised for what they did, sticking up for their team and themselves. But of course, that won't be the case.

[Daniel Labude]

how is this smoak's fault? lmao Maybe you should watch the video 10 more times.

 

It's part his fault. He made it worse by going at Severino after thinking about it. He isn't innocent at all. Watch the video again.

[Brownie19]

Or Happ could have realized that Donaldson hbp was an accident and focused on winning the game instead. Crazy, I know.

 

Using the logic presented here, Bush and Odor should be praised for what they did, sticking up for their team and themselves. But of course, that won't be the case.

 

I'm certain they were in their clubhouse and/or by their fans. Hell - I think fans of the other 29 teams in MLB cheered on Odor.

[pickoff22]

Or Happ could have realized that Donaldson hbp was an accident and focused on winning the game instead. Crazy, I know.

 

Using the logic presented here, Bush and Odor should be praised for what they did, sticking up for their team and themselves. But of course, that won't be the case.

 

I don't think anyone is "praising" Happ, but being upset at him for doing something that has been part of the game forever makes no sense.

 

What he did isn't the same as punching another player in the face. Nor is it the same as holding a grudge over someone celebrating a game winning homerun in the final game of a playoffs series and then beaning him on the last game of the next season that your team plays his team.

 

If you don't believe pitchers should "protect" their teammates by retaliating then fine, but the way Happ went about was as textbook as you can do it. Hit a guy in the rump immediately after your guy gets hit and them move on. It should have been over after the top of the 2nd. Severino's followup is much more worthy of criticism.

[King]

Or Happ could have realized that Donaldson hbp was an accident and focused on winning the game instead. Crazy, I know.

 

Using the logic presented here, Bush and Odor should be praised for what they did, sticking up for their team and themselves. But of course, that won't be the case.

 

It's not the same situation. Bush Throwing at Bautista was for a bat flip in the playoffs a good 7 months before when he wasn't even on the team. Then you could consider Odor was standing up for himself when Bautista came in with the hard take out slide, but he also tried to throw the ball at Bautistas head, and I think they were both looking to start something there anyway.

 

In any case I agree that the Headley HBP was dumb whoever called for it. If it was Happ by himself then he deserves the blame. If it was Donaldson or Gibbons, it's hard to fault Happ for it.

[glory]

I don't think anyone is "praising" Happ, but being upset at him for doing something that has been part of the game forever makes no sense.

 

What he did isn't the same as punching another player in the face. Nor is it the same as holding a grudge over someone celebrating a game winning homerun in the final game of a playoffs series and then beaning him on the last game of the next season that your team plays his team.

 

If you don't believe pitchers should "protect" their teammates by retaliating then fine, but the way Happ went about was as textbook as you can do it. Hit a guy in the rump immediately after your guy gets hit and them move on. It should have been over after the top of the 2nd. Severino's followup is much more worthy of criticism.

 

If Donaldson was hit on purpose, then I'd understand. He was hit accidentally by a young pitcher who was probably aiming for the middle of the plate when he threw that pitch given how bad his control was. It happens. There was no need to protect your teammate in that case.

 

I mentioned the Rangers because in their minds, they did the right thing by standing up for Dyson getting embarrassed by the Bat Flip, and Odor for standing up for himself when Bautista made a deliberately hard slide. You can't have it both ways.

 

That's why I think baseball rules and old school thinking should be extinct. If somebody (whether it was Happ, Gibbons, or whoever) was willing to take that chance given where the Jays are in the standings and how much every win is worth right now, then you know old baseball unwritten BS has gotten out of hand.

[burlingtonbandit]

The stupidest thing from last night was Grilli and Martin being upset at Texeira for pimping the HR. Complete hypocrites since Grilli is the one screaming after walking off the mound on a strikeout.

 

I'll never have a problem with a bat flip or celebrating a HR.

[HERPDERP]

Based on the interviews with Pillar, this is all on Donaldson.

 

He complained to the team that he has been getting pitched inside for the past month or so, and this all boiled over tonight.

 

Thanks, JD

[Grant77]

The stupidest thing from last night was Grilli and Martin being upset at Texeira for pimping the HR. Complete hypocrites since Grilli is the one screaming after walking off the mound on a strikeout.

 

I'll never have a problem with a bat flip or celebrating a HR.

 

You can't have a problem with it because our team does it. If you act disrespectfully to other teams, it will eventually come back to you.

[Brownie19]

Based on the interviews with Pillar, this is all on Donaldson.

 

He complained to the team that he has been getting pitched inside for the past month or so, and this all boiled over tonight.

 

Thanks, JD

 

Perhaps he should undo his pony tail, man up and deal with the issue himself. Like a man.

[gruber92]

This whole brawl is on Gibbons, period. Even if Happ acted out alone, Gibby had the opportunity to call time and visit the mound after the first pitch that was behind Headly. IMO, it was settled that Happ would retaliate in the dugout before the Yankees' half inning started.

[Governator]

This whole brawl is on Gibbons, period. Even if Happ acted out alone, Gibby had the opportunity to call time and visit the mound after the first pitch that was behind Headly. IMO, it was settled that Happ would retaliate in the dugout before the Yankees' half inning started.

 

 

You can't blame Gibby for not going to the mound and saying lets not do this, in the same breath the ump could have taken full control of the situation by giving warnings when the throw went behind Headley, instead he let it play itself out.