Explosion GDT (Game 3/3): Toronto Blue Jays @ Seattle Mariners (3:40 PM ET)

[fatcowxlive]

This isn't the try league. It's the get it done league. That play must be made at this juncture of the season, no excuses. Defense has cost us a run or more in just about every game this month. I count at least 4 examples where it did cost us the game. We would likely be tied with Boston or have the division lead had we not played the worst stretch of defense in franchise history.

 

I would like to say that, as much as I also advocate for defense and I agree with you as well that defense has at least cost us a run a game during this last stretch, a post-season team doesn't usually win games averaging 4 runs a game. The offense*** has been doo-doo this year and especially this month. How many DPs did we hit into today? How many leadoff baserunners did we have that we couldn't cash in? Last 10th inning we had a lead off double, a questionable bunt over to 3rd, then 2 opportunities to score him which resulted in two outs (yes KP was bad luck I know). 11th we had a leadoff single then a walk. What follows is a K from Bautista and a GIDP by Martin, and that's just 2 innings in extras of one game. We need to stop leaving so many runners on base.

 

Second last in offensive WAR, 3rd last in runs scored, and most DPs grounded into for the month of September. This is why we're losing games.

Edited September 22, 2016 by fatcowxlive

[Stangstag]

I would like to say that, as much as I also advocate for defense and I agree with you as well that defense has at least cost us a run a game during this last stretch, a post-season team doesn't usually win games averaging 4 runs a game. The offense*** has been doo-doo this year and especially this month. How many DPs did we hit into today? How many leadoff baserunners did we have that we couldn't cash in? Last 10th inning we had a lead off double, a questionable bunt over to 3rd, then 2 opportunities to score him which resulted in two outs (yes KP was bad luck I know). 11th we had a leadoff single then a walk. What follows is a K from Bautista and a GIDP by Martin, and that's just 2 innings in extras of one game. We need to stop leaving so many runners on base.

 

Second last in offensive WAR, 3rd last in runs scored, and most DPs grounded into for the month of September. This is why we're losing games.

 

Yup. It's simple really. If the offense steps up, we can win games and make it into the wildcard game. If not... We're doomed.

[gbill2004]

Maybe Donaldson needs to stop masturbating, and needs to get laid.

[Grant77]

I would like to say that, as much as I also advocate for defense and I agree with you as well that defense has at least cost us a run a game during this last stretch, a post-season team doesn't usually win games averaging 4 runs a game. The offense*** has been doo-doo this year and especially this month. How many DPs did we hit into today? How many leadoff baserunners did we have that we couldn't cash in? Last 10th inning we had a lead off double, a questionable bunt over to 3rd, then 2 opportunities to score him which resulted in two outs (yes KP was bad luck I know). 11th we had a leadoff single then a walk. What follows is a K from Bautista and a GIDP by Martin, and that's just 2 innings in extras of one game. We need to stop leaving so many runners on base.

 

Second last in offensive WAR, 3rd last in runs scored, and most DPs grounded into for the month of September. This is why we're losing games.

 

It's obviously a combination of the two, I agree with you on the offense.

 

I'm perfectly willing to admit that my perceptions may have no basis in fact, but the defense just bothers me so much more. The way we have been fielding reeks of unpreparedness and lack of focus. I just can't accept that from our team and it infuriates me. The hitting is also frustrating, but teams have slumps every year and I understand what they are going through.

 

These fielders have a track record and if they are putting in their time before games, it should result in the plays being made. When I hear that they didn't even take fielding practice in Seattle though, I blow a gasket.

[gruber92]

What did Gibbons do wrong?

 

Not putting on the hit and run with a 2-0 count to Pillar with Pompey on first right after a mound visit is a strong indication of a clueless manager. Anyone with moderate baseball sense knew Pillar was getting a fastball for a strike there and it turned out to be a perfect hit and run pitch. If Gibby's excuse or thought process was "well Smoak just walked and he threw two balls to Pillar so he's off, let's take at least one", then that makes him even more incompetent. Cishek is no scrub and his walk to Smoak was competitive and the first two pitches to Pillar barely missed. Pitchers of his caliber can throw fastballs over the middle of the plate in their sleep. To assume the 2-0 pitch to Pillar would be anything but a fastball strike after a mound visit is absurd. Gibbons lasted this long because this offence is built on the HR and the majority of his managing is keeping the clubhouse civil.

[admin]

Someone have a clip of that play at third? I can't find it anywhere.

[Spanky99]

JD is pretty horrible

he owes us 5 games.

IDK if its a good thing if he is our best player.

 

Wat? NVM... was said in fury of losing.

Edited September 22, 2016 by Spanky99

[G-Snarls]

Someone have a clip of that play at third? I can't find it anywhere.

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/v1180299383

[G-Snarls]

Watch it and weep

[intentional wok]

This isn't the try league. It's the get it done league. That play must be made at this juncture of the season, no excuses. Defense has cost us a run or more in just about every game this month. I count at least 4 examples where it did cost us the game. We would likely be tied with Boston or have the division lead had we not played the worst stretch of defense in franchise history.

 

What should he have done then? Because the play was executed. Maybe squeeze harder on the glove, but I'm almost positive JD knows what he's doing and the play was just unfortunate.

 

As for errors costing games, the Sox have been victims of walk-off errors at least twice this year. Including one against Toronto. Errors happen. They are impossible to eliminate.

[Spanky99]

This isn't the try league. It's the get it done league. That play must be made at this juncture of the season, no excuses. Defense has cost us a run or more in just about every game this month. I count at least 4 examples where it did cost us the game. We would likely be tied with Boston or have the division lead had we not played the worst stretch of defense in franchise history.

 

lol... you trolling, Grant, or upset we lost?

[RealAccountant]

I still don't understand why you don't walk Cano and bring the force at home.

[Captain Adama]

What should he have done then? Because the play was executed. Maybe squeeze harder on the glove, but I'm almost positive JD knows what he's doing and the play was just unfortunate.

 

As for errors costing games, the Sox have been victims of walk-off errors at least twice this year. Including one against Toronto. Errors happen. They are impossible to eliminate.

 

Red Sox lost 5 walk-offs on errors this year.

 

Either way, the game should have been over before that inning even happened. Saunders had a lead-off double and didn't score, 1st and 2nd with none out and didn't score. This loss is much more on the offense than it was on Donaldson.

[RealAccountant]

Red Sox lost 5 walk-offs on errors this year.

 

Either way, the game should have been over before that inning even happened. Saunders had a lead-off double and didn't score, 1st and 2nd with none out and didn't score. This loss is much more on the offense than it was on Donaldson.

 

The game doesn't end unless Donaldson plays shoddy defense

[Olerud363]

lol... you trolling, Grant, or upset we lost?

 

That logic is idiocy. Errors don't cost games by themselves and are no more important than any other event that leads to a base runner.

 

Grant assumes that if the error didn't happen everything else would go super-perfect and we'd have 4 wins.

 

The errors themselves are like half a win or something if that.

[Olerud363]

The game doesn't end unless Donaldson plays shoddy defense

 

It doesn't end in the 12th... it could end in the 13th, 14th, 15th or 16th

 

The game doesn't get to that point if someone can hit a godamn fly ball with a runner on third.

 

Each event is as important as another.

 

If we get just one hit, just f***ing one, with a guy in scoring position the game doesn't get to that point and we win in 9 or 10 or 11.

 

If EE homers in the 1st the game doesn't get to that point.

 

If Sanchez doesn't have a shaky 2nd or whatever the game doesn't get to that point.

[Spanky99]

That logic is idiocy. Errors don't cost games by themselves and are no more important than any other event that leads to a base runner.

 

Grant assumes that if the error didn't happen everything else would go super-perfect and we'd have 4 wins.

 

The errors themselves are like half a win or something if that.

 

Hence my post. It's baseball, s*** happens.

[Olerud363]

Hence my post. It's baseball, s*** happens.

 

Sorry about all the negativity btw... I am sure it annoys you... despite my bad attitude and lack of faith I do want the Jays to win (unlike some idiot who posted even winning the wild card game wasn't worth it, because Jays would be swept by Texas)...

 

I will be following Tigers and twins today... hope twinkies do us a favour. And I guess at this point have to sort of go for Sox.... I guess.

[Spanky99]

Sorry about all the negativity btw... I am sure it annoys you... despite my bad attitude and lack of faith I do want the Jays to win (unlike some idiot who posted even winning the wild card game wasn't worth it, because Jays would be swept by Texas)...

 

I will be following Tigers and twins today... hope twinkies do us a favour. And I guess at this point have to sort of go for Sox.... I guess.

 

No worries, I know your posting style... Jays have themselves to blame, no-one else.

[JoeCarter]

Don't get why one of Feldman or Schultz not used before Dickey -- was following game on phone and couldn't understand it and still don't. Feldman pitched ONE INNING the day before, and had previously not been in a game since Sept 13th. The guy's an ex-starter for chrissakes and we have an off-day today. He can pitch 2 days in a row. And Schultz hadn't pitched at all since Sept 18th!?

 

Dafuq? Any explanation from Gibby or otherwise?

[Spanky99]

Don't get why one of Feldman or Schultz not used before Dickey -- was following game on phone and couldn't understand it and still don't. Feldman pitched ONE INNING the day before, and had previously not been in a game since Sept 13th. The guy's an ex-starter for chrissakes and we have an off-day today. He can pitch 2 days in a row. And Schultz hadn't pitched at all since Sept 18th!?

 

Dafuq? Any explanation from Gibby or otherwise?

 

Not that I'm aware of, I saw both Feldman up and Shultz up at different times during the extra innings, but when I saw Dickey up, you just knew he was going to go to him. By the way, Dickey pitched fine. He had his 3 outs, the error and hard luck beat them, but I agree, they should've been used prior to Dickey.

[Governator]

Not that I'm aware of, I saw both Feldman up and Shultz up at different times during the extra innings, but when I saw Dickey up, you just knew he was going to go to him. By the way, Dickey pitched fine. He had his 3 outs, the error and hard luck beat them, but I agree, they should've been used prior to Dickey.

 

Not only that, to pull Martin for Thole in extras was madness.

[Spanky99]

Not only that, to pull Martin for Thole in extras was madness.

 

lol... right, just to catch Dickey. Hnnngghhh...

[burlingtonbandit]

Red Sox lost 5 walk-offs on errors this year.

 

Either way, the game should have been over before that inning even happened. Saunders had a lead-off double and didn't score, 1st and 2nd with none out and didn't score. This loss is much more on the offense than it was on Donaldson.

 

Sometimes its just luck. Pillar's ball usually is a single but the SS made an amazing catch. 3 inches more to the right and the Jays score there.

[KevinGregg]

lol... right, just to catch Dickey. Hnnngghhh...

 

here's a question - say it's the 17th inning of the wildcard game and dickey has to come in to pitch - does Gibby take out Martin for Thole in that situation as well? I think he does..

[Spanky99]

here's a question - say it's the 17th inning of the wildcard game and dickey has to come in to pitch - does Gibby take out Martin for Thole in that situation as well? I think he does..

 

lol... what kind of question is that?

[KevinGregg]

lol... what kind of question is that?

 

Gibby doesn't do everything he can to win each and every game. He makes decisions for the long term health of the team, as he should. I think refusing to allow Martin anywhere near dickey is one of these long term decisions.

 

The reason I bring up the 17th inning of a wildcard game is because in the potential last inning of the year there are no longer any long term considerations (except serious injury) - and we can truly see what Gibby thinks is the best move to win the game at hand.

 

So the question is really asking: does Gibby actually believe we have a better chance to win the current game with Thole catching, or is he just trying to keep Martin happy for the long term good of the team?

[Spanky99]

Gibby doesn't do everything he can to win each and every game. He makes decisions for the long term health of the team, as he should. I think refusing to allow Martin anywhere near dickey is one of these long term decisions.

 

The reason I bring up the 17th inning of a wildcard game is because in the potential last inning of the year there are no longer any long term considerations (except serious injury) - and we can truly see what Gibby thinks is the best move to win the game at hand.

 

So the question is really asking: does Gibby actually believe we have a better chance to win the current game with Thole catching, or is he just trying to keep Martin happy for the long term good of the team?

 

I knew this was a loaded question... if we're in the 17th inning and Dickey were to come in, I'm sure he goes to Thole as he did last night, once Dickey comes in, it's for the long haul, no more RP's... anyhow...

[Governator]

I knew this was a loaded question... if we're in the 17th inning and Dickey were to come in, I'm sure he goes to Thole as he did last night, once Dickey comes in, it's for the long haul, no more RP's... anyhow...

 

Yes this. The point was we had other options available that would have kept Martin in the game and his decision to go to Dickey seemed experimental at best, regardless of the result. Dickey is the guy you after your pen arms are used up in September instead of using a positional player like Barney or Goins. Just a poor choice and it really bothered me that he used Barnes for 1 f***ing batter in extra innings.

[JoeCarter]

Sometimes its just luck. Pillar's ball usually is a single but the SS made an amazing catch. 3 inches more to the right and the Jays score there.

 

More like a half inch. He ice cream coned that thing. Was only his 2nd game ever playing SS apparently. Hats off to a sick play.