Implosion 2016

[glory]

One game ahead of Baltimore and Detroit for WC1 and the Yankees 2 back.

 

The Jays picked the wrong f'n time to fold.

[RealAccountant]

You guys know that we are about to go on a run right

 

Right

 

 

It's coming

[Spanky99]

Do you have snapchat?

 

Wat?

[West Texas Forever]

So this doesn't look good.... I leave and the Jays have a 2 game lead, I come home and they are now 2 games behind Boston now. Not the time to be s***ing the f***ing bed!!!

[sawyerford]

Wat?

 

Do u have Kik?

[King]

Wat?

Insta?

[GD]

Insta?

 

Grindr?

[JoeCarter]

At least the Jays rotation will be basically intact next year--it's trying to resign EE/Bautista/Saunders or finiding equivalents that's the issue, along with supplementing the pen.

The reason I mentioned the O's was to show their team has a bleaker future than what you say about Toronto.

 

I'll be more pissed off if they bring back Saunders than if they DON'T bring back Edwin. That's not recency bias, I've been ragging on him since we acquired him (taking considerable flak from most of my friends earlier in the year.) Saunders is a barely rosterable 4th outfielder. Always has been. Had a flukey good first half (thanks .377 BABIP!) He's better than his gross 2nd half #'s (FU .232 BABIP), but not by much.

 

Look, he's a lifetime .237 hitter over an injury-plagued career that's consisted of just 4 full season's worth of games. He was marginably better than replacement value when he was younger due to providing adequate defense, but if you've watched any games this year you know he's just awful out there now: slow, takes terrible lines to balls, misplays galore. And sorry, at almost 30, he's not gonna get better in the field. Oh, but it's cool because he's Canadian. OMG JUST LIKE US!!!!!!!!! Some poor team out there will probably throw him 4/$50M. Please let it not be us.

[sawyerford]

Grindr?

 

Tinder?

[Pendleton]

MSN messenger?

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

Not really how much of a garbage team is it. Would you rather have had him do nothing last year and not have experienced that playoff run and division title?

Can't speak for him, but I'd have preferred AA not trading our farm system away for the Marlins and Mets' used trash and a half-season David Price rental. Imagine having Syndergaard, Norris, Sanchez, and Stroman in the rotation and Marisnick's defense in the outfield instead of washed-up Saunders. AA could have still made a splash like the Donaldson trade without hurting the major-league club's future.

 

AA's sloppy and inefficient roster-building gave us a fun second half of one season and playoff run, but we're paying for it now and will be paying for it for a while. If he had just been patient instead of cashing in all our prospects, the playoff drought still would have ended eventually and we'd be set up for future success. Hell, he could have even dropped his arbitrary five-year rule and penny-pinching in free agency. That was always ridiculous coming from a GM who kept making the worse move of spending prospects on subpar players.

 

I know it's almost a cliché to harp on the Mets and Marlins trades now, but AA really f***ed us with those.

[L54]

Sorry that my expectations are higher than meaningful September Baseball.

 

Lol

[JoeCarter]

Can't speak for him, but I'd have preferred AA not trading our farm system away for the Marlins and Mets' used trash and a half-season David Price rental. Imagine having Syndergaard, Norris, Sanchez, and Stroman in the rotation and Marisnick's defense in the outfield instead of washed-up Saunders. AA could have still made a splash like the Donaldson trade without hurting the major-league club's future.

 

AA's sloppy and inefficient roster-building gave us a fun second half of one season and playoff run, but we're paying for it now and will be paying for it for a while. If he had just been patient instead of cashing in all our prospects, the playoff drought still would have ended eventually and we'd be set up for future success. Hell, he could have even dropped his arbitrary five-year rule and penny-pinching in free agency. That was always ridiculous coming from a GM who kept making the worse move of spending prospects on subpar players.

 

I know it's almost a cliché to harp on the Mets and Marlins trades now, but AA really f***ed us with those.

 

The AA love-fest was always an ill-conceived joke, but some of the above is just way too results-oriented. re The Marlins trade, you may not remember, but there was quite the outcry from around baseball that it was an outright fleecing by Jays, and calls for commish to reverse the trade. I had never heard -- neither before nor since -- multiple informed voices openly wondering whether an MLB trade should be reversed by the commish. Just a trade that didn't work out for us. I don't put it in the fk AA bucket.

[mikebel111]

Shapiro needs to clean this up

 

Disaster = AA

[RealAccountant]

Shapiro needs to clean this up

 

Disaster = AA

 

Shapiro didn't stand his ground on Sanchez either. He wanted to move Sanchez to the pen but gave into media and fan pressure

 

AA saved this city and its fanbase. Regardless of what happens this year, this market cares about baseball again.

 

What has Shapiro done? Traded for a couple of retreads and backed of on his own convictions.

[RealAccountant]

Shapiro knew the right thing to do

 

The right thing to do was to put him in the pen. They bulked based on Media and Fan Pressure, and came up with some 6 man rotation s***.

 

The end result is what we are looking at now.

[candymartinez]

Shapiro knew the right thing to do

 

The right thing to do was to put him in the pen. They bulked based on Media and Fan Pressure, and came up with some 6 man rotation s***.

 

The end result is what we are looking at now.

 

You really are impressive. s*** post after s*** post after s*** post...

You are one dedicated troll.

[JFD]

You really are impressive. s*** post after s*** post after s*** post...

You are one dedicated troll.

 

Posting an opinion != trolling. Your post sort of is though.

[jaysfan2014]

Really need to take advantage of the weak spot of the sked--Rays struggle on the road (and have lost Duffy and LoMo to injuries) and the Angels are just scrambling for starters (Wright/Weaver/Nolasco/Meyer are scheduled for the series, 2 of them belong in AAA, and Nolasco has sucked all year between Minnesota/LA). Otherwise, this Jays team isn't making the postseason.

[ElNik2013]

I see where Saunders was mentioned above as a s***** acquisition, so let's look back at that trade and what some thought of it:

 

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/4172-Jays-Trade-Happ-for-Saunders

 

Also, making that run last year has taken a huge monkey off the franchise's back and that became the previous GM's mandate after the 2012 season. Funny how the whole window thing coincided perfectly with the previous team president's retirement.

 

Anyway, several here have been predicting that the franchise would be crippled by 2014 for years during the 2013 season and even before. I do have the threads bookmarked but I won't post them since I was freaking out myself.

 

As it turns out, team is contending for the 2nd year in a row, maybe 3rd if you include 2014 but many won't.

[puphood]

Saw some glimmers of hope today. Boston has a tuff couple of series next maybe the baseball Gods will shine on this team. JD has to start hitting......

[glory]

The AA love-fest was always an ill-conceived joke, but some of the above is just way too results-oriented. re The Marlins trade, you may not remember, but there was quite the outcry from around baseball that it was an outright fleecing by Jays, and calls for commish to reverse the trade. I had never heard -- neither before nor since -- multiple informed voices openly wondering whether an MLB trade should be reversed by the commish. Just a trade that didn't work out for us. I don't put it in the fk AA bucket.

 

The only reason people were having an outcry is because the Marlins were selling a year after they signed all those guys. Most people knew the Marlins were going to benefit from that trade eventually. Any time you trade expensive vets in their 30's with backloaded deals, it's usually going to work out in the end. The Jays and their fanbase were tricked by big names. Seriously, they traded a SS making $5m a year and another young SS prospect with six years of control left just so they could pay Jose Reyes $100m until he was 35. It doesn't take a genius to see the flawed logic there. It would be like the Jays trading Martin after this season (when he has 3/60 left on his deal) and getting two catchers making peanuts, one of whom with history of 3 WAR seasons. It would be a fleecing for the Jays.

 

AA's delusional team building got better in 2015 since he seemed to smarten up about player value, but that 2013 off season killed the long-term future of this team, and only doubling down 2 years later was able to save it temporarily.

Edited September 11, 2016 by glory

[ElNik2013]

As I said, many of us predicted team would be in shambles after the 2013 season. Instead, they've followed it up with 3 straight winning seasons, great attendance/ratings which will allow the team to continue to afford a top 10 payroll. Franchise is in much, much better shape than it was 6/7 years ago.

 

I look forward to an exciting end to this year.

[ElNik2013]

When are people gonna get that Escobar was dumped for PR reasons and the Marlins only took him instead of sending more cash to the Jays in that trade. I mean, they were getting their young Cuban SS so why get another SS?

 

Anyway, it's probably Gibbons's fault.

[ChrisS]

The Jays have been slumping but put up a good fight today. On paper we have a much more favourable schedule the next 10 games. It's not over.

[BigCecil]

The Jays have been slumping but put up a good fight today. On paper we have a much more favourable schedule the next 10 games. It's not over.

 

No its not over. But that sucked balls today. We finally put up 8 and Sanchez and our pen give up 11 in a game we could have tied them for 1st. Our rotation regression is a thing and its concerning. Just got to take them one at a time and see if we can't get it going with the time left.

[glory]

Were they also forced to trade Escobar for Reyes?

 

No one forced AA to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on players who provided an incremental improvement at best.

[ElNik2013]

Oh my....

[Olerud363]

When are people gonna get that Escobar was dumped for PR reasons and the Marlins only took him instead of sending more cash to the Jays in that trade. I mean, they were getting their young Cuban SS so why get another SS?

 

Anyway, it's probably Gibbons's fault.

 

Implosion status report--

 

Implosion length - The implosion is expected to take a total of 20-25 days.

 

Implosion start date - September 1st 2016.

 

Expected Implosion finish date - Ideally the implosion will finish on Fan Appreciation day, Sunday Sept. 26th against the NY Yankees. At this point we hope the Jays will be 6 games back of first, 4 our of wild card, and have no realistic hope.

 

Imposion update - The implosion is on schedule, The Blue Jays have followed a series loss to the Rays, and a series sweep to the Yankees with a series loss to the Red Sox.

 

Imploder of the day - Aaron Sanchez -- Even a mediocre 5 inning start may have led to victory, but Sanchez completely imploded 5 walks, 6 earned runs, 3 2/3 innings

 

False "moment of hope" Week of Sep 5th - Tulo Grand slam

 

The week in Implosion September 12th - Expect series wins by Rays and Angels

 

False "moment of hope" week of 12th - expect a moment of false hope to occur if the Jays win the second game of the Rays series... hope will be crushed as the Rays win the Wednesday matinee, a turn around special so to say, give a little false hope, but crush it with a day game 16 hours later.

[ElNik2013]

Implosion status report--

 

Implosion length - The implosion is expected to take a total of 20-25 days.

 

Implosion start date - September 1st 2016.

 

Expected Implosion finish date - Ideally the implosion will finish on Fan Appreciation day, Sunday Sept. 26th against the NY Yankees. At this point we hope the Jays will be 6 games back of first, 4 our of wild card, and have no realistic hope.

 

Imposion update - The implosion is on schedule, The Blue Jays have followed a series loss to the Rays, and a series sweep to the Yankees with a series loss to the Red Sox.

 

Imploder of the day - Aaron Sanchez -- Even a mediocre 5 inning start may have led to victory, but Sanchez completely imploded 5 walks, 6 earned runs, 3 2/3 innings

 

The week in Implosion September 12th - Expect series wins by Rays and Angels

 

False moment of the week - expect a moment of false hope to occur if the Jays win the second game of the Rays series... hope will be crushed as the Rays win the Wednesday matinee, a turn around special so to say, give a little false hope, but crush it with a day game 16 hours later.

 

 

Do stay calm though.