Should we extend Dickey?

[Krylian]

I think you have to ask yourself if leaving Hutch in AAA for another season is a proper use of assets. Unfortunately, the Jays don't really have any in-house replacements for the 6th and 7th starter roles unless SRF or Greene really move; however, I still think our best asset management would be to let Hutch replace Dickey, find some veteran AAA arms and use the $10-12M to help replace Bats, EE, Saunders (as we don't really have any in-house replacements for them unless Pompey gets his head out of the clouds).

 

Christ the lack of a farm system is going to bite us in the ass next year...

 

Greene might be ready next year. He's in AA now. Of course, it all depends on how he adjusts and performs, but in theory, he's going to be close. And if SRF keeps ripping through the minors he might be close as well. The Jays don't really have any in-house 6th or 7th starters for 2016...but for next year I'm not so sure...

[G-Snarls]

Dave Stewart is still a major league GM. There is rampant stupidity throughout ML baseball. Until that changes - my dream shall live!!! In all seriousness though - if Dickey has a big second half (which he typically does), the dream becomes a lot more plausible....those numbers over the past year are hard to argue with.

 

Plus he might have some quality post season starts again. Some GMs value that more than they probably should.

[HERPDERP]

Dude, there's not going to be a comp pick for Dickey. You gotta let go of that dream.

 

I dunno man, the starting pitcher class for 16-17 is crap

 

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/starting-pitcher/

[Jonn]

Greene might be ready next year. He's in AA now. Of course, it all depends on how he adjusts and performs, but in theory, he's going to be close. And if SRF keeps ripping through the minors he might be close as well. The Jays don't really have any in-house 6th or 7th starters for 2016...but for next year I'm not so sure...

 

There is absolutely nothing to suggest Greene will be ready anytime soon. He got his promotion to Double-A again. But he was far from great in Dunedin.

[Sammy225]

If you can get him extended to 9-10M then you defiantly do that. A guy that gives you around a 4.00 ERA and 200 innings is likely going to cost you more on the open market and that is even if they want to sign in Toronto. Is he ugly to watch yes but he provides a lot of value in that 4-5 spot in the rotation.

 

A qualifying offer is not going to be declined and paying Dickey 15-16M a year is going to be too much for him. So in my eyes you offer him 10 if he turns it down then you let him hit the market.

[fatcowxlive]

*flashback to JP Arencibia catching Dickey on opening day 2014*

 

I don't wanna hurl this early in the day!!

[Grant77]

I dunno man, the starting pitcher class for 16-17 is crap

 

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/starting-pitcher/

 

Outside of Hill, Fister, and Iwakuma, I don't see an obvious upgrade. Even those guys aren't miles ahead.

[Frenchsoup]

I don't think so. Paying a player 16-17M when you could have had him for 8-10 is pretty bad business.

 

When could they have had Dickey for 8-10 mill? He's been under contract since the trade? You know R.A. Dickey believes in himself and will want to hit the market, so why not just slap the QO on him?

[Brownie19]

You can't go into next season expecting full health in the pitching staff again, especially with the lack of depth that you mention. The fact that Hutch has spent most of this year in AAA is an anomaly, he will get his chances.

 

Veteran AAA arms are Wade LeBlanc and Roberto Hernandez. You won't get anyone good to go to AAA.

 

I completely get that we need starting pitching depth, which is why I've consistently suggested we'd need to replenish our SP depth if Dickey left. Is that an easy task? Absolutely not, but given all the offensively players we're likely to lose in free agency this year, I doubt we'll have the luxury of holding Hutch back in AAA another year. He'll be 26 next year and should be in the majors fulltime.

 

I'd rather upgrade the ML roster and look for stopgap 6th/7th/8th starters next year until SRF, Greene & Harris are ready to fill those roles.

 

BTW - Harris is a guy we seem to overlook a lot. He could be up in AA by the end of this season (having a great rebound year at A ball) and will be 23 next year. Fingers crossed.

[glory]

I don't know what's more unrealistic: Dickey declining the QO or a team giving up a pick to sign him.

[FrozenRopes]

To me, it boils down to watching or paying to watch a terrible battery every 5 days. Slow, sloppy and unnecessary. It's like watching a beer league slow pitch game (which would be more exciting to watch if Dickey underhanded the ball up there).

 

200+ innings of suck

[Dick_Pole]

When could they have had Dickey for 8-10 mill? He's been under contract since the trade? You know R.A. Dickey believes in himself and will want to hit the market, so why not just slap the QO on him?

 

In all of this talk about Dickey, has he even said anything about wanting to come back and play next year? I mean...42...

[Grant77]

I completely get that we need starting pitching depth, which is why I've consistently suggested we'd need to replenish our SP depth if Dickey left. Is that an easy task? Absolutely not, but given all the offensively players we're likely to lose in free agency this year, I doubt we'll have the luxury of holding Hutch back in AAA another year. He'll be 26 next year and should be in the majors fulltime.

 

I'd rather upgrade the ML roster and look for stopgap 6th/7th/8th starters next year until SRF, Greene & Harris are ready to fill those roles.

 

BTW - Harris is a guy we seem to overlook a lot. He could be up in AA by the end of this season (having a great rebound year at A ball) and will be 23 next year. Fingers crossed.

 

Playoff teams need more than 5 major league calibre starters, period. You shouldn't be fooled by our good luck in the health department this year. If you don't draft your own depth you end up with Scott Copeland in the rotation.

[HERPDERP]

If you guys think of Dickey more as a #5 than a #3, then he is worth the sign.

[Dick_Pole]

Playoff teams need more than 5 major league calibre starters, period. You shouldn't be fooled by our good luck in the health department this year.

 

Playoff teams with a ~$140 million payroll, two players getting paid a combined $40M+ next year, a top 5 player with two years left after this season who may get extended, three contributors who are hitting free agency and maybe one immediate replacement ready in the minors may not have that luxury.

[burlingtonbandit]

When could they have had Dickey for 8-10 mill? He's been under contract since the trade? You know R.A. Dickey believes in himself and will want to hit the market, so why not just slap the QO on him?

 

Because they you are stuck paying him 17 Million when you could have used that money to better improve the team. If Dickey was 38 maybe you could do the QO but no team is giving Dickey more than a guaranteed 2 years.

[fatcowxlive]

I don't know what's more unrealistic: Dickey declining the QO or a team giving up a pick to sign him.

 

If you give Dickey a QO, you best believe he's taking it lol. He's making less than QO this year no? There's no reason why anyone would pay him more than what we're paying for him this year, and QO is like 15 mil lol

[Brownie19]

Playoff teams need more than 5 major league calibre starters, period. You shouldn't be fooled by our good luck in the health department this year. If you don't draft your own depth you end up with Scott Copeland in the rotation.

 

Playoff teams with a ~$140 million payroll, two players getting paid a combined $40M+ next year, a top 5 player with two years left after this season who may get extended, three contributors who are hitting free agency and maybe one immediate replacement ready in the minors may not have that luxury.

 

Exactly Dick. Would I love to have Hutchison in AAA next year? of course I would - but not if that means we're stuck starting Zeke and Pompey in the OF next year because we spent $12M on Dickey so we could push Hutch to AAA. Playoff teams do need more than 5 major league calibre starters - but they also need major league calibre players in LF, RF and DH. We may not have the option of leaving a ML calibre starter in AAA.

[L54]

I'd rather have Zeke in the OF than Scott Diamond making 20 starts.

[fatcowxlive]

Since we're discussing Dickey I have a question. Let's say we make the postseason with our current rotation intact, who do we bump out of the rotation? stats would most likely point to Dickey but I have to ask... What would his use be out of the pen? I think bringing out a knuckleballer is worse than bringing a guy like Shultz in, unless maybe he's coming on to relieve for Sanchez for that knuckleball effect or whatever. The only other use I can think of is him coming in extras or a blowout to eat innings.

[L54]

When could they have had Dickey for 8-10 mill? He's been under contract since the trade? You know R.A. Dickey believes in himself and will want to hit the market, so why not just slap the QO on him?

 

Because nobody will give up a pick to sign Dickey, he and his agent know this, and the Jays would be stuck overpaying for him.

[HERPDERP]

Since we're discussing Dickey I have a question. Let's say we make the postseason with our current rotation intact, who do we bump out of the rotation? stats would most likely point to Dickey but I have to ask... What would his use be out of the pen? I think bringing out a knuckleballer is worse than bringing a guy like Shultz in, unless maybe he's coming on to relieve for Sanchez for that knuckleball effect or whatever. The only other use I can think of is him coming in extras or a blowout to eat innings.

 

He'll just sit out.

[CHRIS]

The only other use I can think of is him coming in extras or a blowout to eat innings.

 

I think only this. I don't think the playoffs are the time to get fancy with a batter-by-batter Dickey effect attempt.

 

I also don't see how a bumped starter necessarily becomes a better pen option than the guys who have been there all year long, unless the bullpen is atrocious or the bullpen has numerous injuries.

 

In our case, assuming all of Cecil, Osuna, Storen, Grilli, Chavez are healthy, I don't see how a bumped Dickey supersedes any of these guys.

[Krylian]

I don't know what's more unrealistic: Dickey declining the QO or a team giving up a pick to sign him.

 

Giving up a pick to sign him.

 

There's a 1% chance another team could offer him a 2 year deal for like $20m or so. 0% chance they offer up a 1st rounder to sign him.

[Brownie19]

Giving up a pick to sign him.

 

There's a 1% chance another team could offer him a 2 year deal for like $20m or so. 0% chance they offer up a 1st rounder to sign him.

 

I have no idea why you think there's only a 1% chance a team offers him a 2 year $20M deal. I do doubt teams want to or will give up a comp pick for him, but the first statement is simply bizarre.

[Dr. Dinger]

I have no idea why you think there's only a 1% chance a team offers him a 2 year $20M deal. I do doubt teams want to or will give up a comp pick for him, but the first statement is simply bizarre.

 

Dickey wouldn't take a 2 year, $20M deal if he had a QO available, and no team is going to give up their pick to sign Dickey.

[Brownie19]

Dickey wouldn't take a 2 year, $20M deal if he had a QO available, and no team is going to give up their pick to sign Dickey.

 

Didn't Baltimore give up a pick to sign Gallardo this year?

[fatcowxlive]

Didn't Baltimore give up a pick to sign Gallardo this year?

 

Yes but that's not his point. Gallardo can command more on the market than Dickey so he rejected his QO. If we offer a QO he'll take it there won't be a chance for a team to sign him

[Sammy225]

Didn't Baltimore give up a pick to sign Gallardo this year?

 

Ya and he got less then the Q.O i believe. So a lesson that other 3-5 rotation guys should learn from. I think if Dickey is offered 15M he takes it without batting an eye

[Terminator]

Ya and he got less then the Q.O i believe. So a lesson that other 3-5 rotation guys should learn from. I think if Dickey is offered 15M he takes it without batting an eye

 

He got 22 total million guaranteed. Less than the QO offer on an AAV but he looks cooked. Might be more money overall.