GDT: Jays (19-18) @ Rangers (20-16) - 8:05pm EST ... Game 2/3

[Governator]

Yeah but we won't be getting a David Price at the deadline this year. Big difference.

 

Just a Devon Travis over Goins.

[gbill2004]

Just a Devon Travis over Goins.

That's fap worthy.

[Spanky99]

Yeah but we won't be getting a David Price at the deadline this year. Big difference.

 

Shatkins?

[Praxis]

This was a heartbreaker? The Jays had no business being in the tenth inning. I mean it sucks that they lost but they had everything to gain and not much to lose.

 

i) Tied it up with 2 homers in the 9th. Had chances to win. Didn't.

 

ii) Pen blew it. Again.

 

iii) We're back to .500 and have lost another 1 run game. Again.

 

Ergo, spirit breaker.

[fatcowxlive]

Yeah but we won't be getting a David Price at the deadline this year. Big difference.

 

We don't need that. We have a proper rotation. We have a decent farm too so if we need a trade we can make it. All we need is our offence to find its groove. The secondary cast is doing decent so far apart from Martin and Goins. Pillar, Saunders and Smoak are doing great so far. It's our sluggers that need to pick it up. I think Tulo's going to break out soon and Donaldson is going to go back to form quickly. Only person I'm worried about is Bautista. At least Tulo and EE don't look late on every fast ball, Bautista looks like he can't catch up to anything anymore.

[Spanky99]

i) Tied it up with 2 homers in the 9th. Had chances to win. Didn't.

 

ii) Pen blew it. Again.

 

iii) We're back to .500 and have lost another 1 run game. Again.

 

Ergo, spirit breaker.

 

Slice upwards.

[fatcowxlive]

Just a Devon Travis over Goins.

 

That's a great point!!! I hope he comes back hitting on all cylinders!!! He can be kind of like what Stroman was when he came back, an injection of energy

[Praxis]

Slice upwards.

 

I...don't know what this means.

 

Plus, wasn't this you a few posts back?

 

f*** this suxxxxxxxx, felt like a W coming.

[TorontonianJD]

Gibbons just said that Cecil came up a bit tender.....sounds like he must have some injury. Said Pillar will Be in tomorrow.

[Spanky99]

I...don't know what this means.

 

Plus, wasn't this you a few posts back?

 

It means slice north and south if need be... yeah, it suxxxxxxxxxxxx

[CJ-Freeway]

Just a Devon Travis over Goins.

 

That's a good start.

[CJ-Freeway]

Shatkins?

 

Maybe he'll pull a magic trick

[CJ-Freeway]

We don't need that. We have a proper rotation. We have a decent farm too so if we need a trade we can make it. All we need is our offence to find its groove. The secondary cast is doing decent so far apart from Martin and Goins. Pillar, Saunders and Smoak are doing great so far. It's our sluggers that need to pick it up. I think Tulo's going to break out soon and Donaldson is going to go back to form quickly. Only person I'm worried about is Bautista. At least Tulo and EE don't look late on every fast ball, Bautista looks like he can't catch up to anything anymore.

 

The rotation is fine but the pen is kinda weak. You're right about the offense though.

[TheGrandslamMan]

The Jays really gotta get things turned around. The division was a lot weaker last year. Being 5 1/2 games back a month and a half into the season is a pretty big hole.

[fatcowxlive]

The rotation is fine but the pen is kinda weak. You're right about the offense though.

 

If we can get the offence up and running and we can get a solid pen piece, with Devon waiting to come up soon, we're in for a fun summer!!

[TheHurl]

ii) Pen blew it. Again.

 

 

Starter 5 runs in 6 IP...Pen 1 run in 3 and 2/3 but the Pen blew it.

[fatcowxlive]

Starter 5 runs in 6 IP...Pen 1 run in 3 and 2/3 but the Pen blew it.

 

By one of our more reliable relievers at that. And the homer was by Drew freaking Stubbs, I mean I'm happy that Floyd decided to go after everyone and not trying to walk the team like half our relievers, Stubbs just got a hold of a pitch that Floyd missed with

[intentional wok]

i) Tied it up with 2 homers in the 9th. Had chances to win. Didn't.

 

ii) Pen blew it. Again.

 

iii) We're back to .500 and have lost another 1 run game. Again.

 

Ergo, spirit breaker.

 

What chances did they have? Baseball karma smiled on them in the ninth but that's really it. At best they were tied and still had to contend with the home team walk off advantage.

 

And I'd say Estrada giving up a grand slam contributed more to the loss than Gavin Floyd surrendering a walk off. I mean yeah, a Drew f***ing Stubbs bomb is a stupid way to lose but that s*** happens in close games. A heartbreaker is that huge lead that evaporated against the White Sox, or Brock Holt following up JD's slam with one of his own, or that passed ball walk off against the O's.

 

The Jays just made a valiant attempt tonight to come back and it turned a lethargic loss into an exciting one. Losses suck, but I just don't see how this was a heartbreaker.

 

And man, with this 1-run game s***. If someone was on for Stubbs' HR, would the 2-run loss have stung less?

 

How can anyone even hold the 1-run thing against the Jays in this situation? It's not like they were trailing 6-5 for half the game and couldn't muster up a run. A walk off win is usually decided by a run because... that's all the other team needs and there's no opportunity to respond. There are way too many tears spilled over this 1-run game meme.

[Orgfiller]

Personally, I'm way more pissed off/appalled that Bobby f***ing Wilson hit a grandslam over Drew Stubbs, a once okay (league average-ish) hitter with pretty decent pop. This game is on Estrada losing it in the 2nd inning, not on Gavin Floyd making a single mistake pitch to OF JP Arencibia.

[nextyear]

The Blue Jays will need to get hot soon. The Orioles are hot and might run away with the division.

 

Encarnacion will have to stop being selfish and start playing like winning matters.

[nextyear]

This was a heartbreaker? The Jays had no business being in the tenth inning. I mean it sucks that they lost but they had everything to gain and not much to lose.

 

I don't think this was a heartbreaker; they didn't lose it in extra endings due to lost chances to score, and by giving up runs because of walks, hit batters and errors, like they did in San Francisco. So last night's loss was much easier to accept.

[BigCecil]

This was a heartbreaker? The Jays had no business being in the tenth inning. I mean it sucks that they lost but they had everything to gain and not much to lose.

 

I don't know bud. I look at this differently. This talent should have scored more off Lewis and the finally got to TEX and got our due in the 9th. We squandered the inning with Carerra on 3B with no outs and we had RISP in extras with our Big 3 up. The Big 3 RISP numbers are god awful.

 

I don't blame the pen for this loss. I thought Floyd throwing a cutter or slider (87) was a questionable pitch to Stubbs as he was beating him on FBs away and his hook was filthy...but whatever. They were still pretty good.

 

Maybe this loss bugs me more because I watched the BoSox yesterday aft tie HOU today with 2 out in the 9th and then go on to finish the job in extras with 2 outs. Papi in both cases. We are digging a huge hole. I know the BoSox aren't this good but we have 2 teams to climb over. That's never easy. Any championship team has to win some gms they have no business winning.

 

Win the series today.

 

p.s We have a great D. It needs to tighten the f*** up. PBs and OF tweeners on miscommunication etc costing us far too many runs for this talent.

Edited May 15, 2016 by BigCecil

[RealAccountant]

The Jays really gotta get things turned around. The division was a lot weaker last year. Being 5 1/2 games back a month and a half into the season is a pretty big hole.

 

My name is grandslamman

 

I'm watching baseball for the first time.

[Praxis]

This board is truly bizarre sometimes in its innate ability to reason speciously, captiously and pointlessly. We have lost 14 of our 19 games by 2 runs or less; this sucks and it's not something that aspiring championship teams typically do.

 

This season particularly it seems we have conspired to lose in strange and painful ways, but if the vocal majority/minority on this board want to take the perceived high ground go ahead, I don't give a f***. I've been around long enough to know that these types of losses, when they start mounting, can have a cumulative effect that is often hard to overcome late in the season.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Praxis

[BlueJayWay]

i) Tied it up with 2 homers in the 9th. Had chances to win. Didn't.

 

ii) Pen blew it. Again.

 

iii) We're back to .500 and have lost another 1 run game. Again.

 

Ergo, spirit breaker.

How did the pen blow it?

[Praxis]

For f***'s sake. How did the pen blow it? They gave up the game winning run. That's it. Simple. Easy to comprehend. Patently obvious. Utterly transparent.

 

Yes we can argue about Estrada's uncharacteristicly poor start, the stuttering offense, the good work of the pen prior to the home run, the s***** strikezone called by the usual blind ump, but in the end the unalterable, inalienable, undeniable fact is that the bullpen gave up the game winning home run and we lost. Why is this so f***ing difficult to understand?

[BigCecil]

This board is truly bizarre sometimes in its innate ability to reason speciously, captiously and pointlessly. We have lost 14 of our 19 games by 2 runs or less; this sucks and it's not something that aspiring championship teams typically do.

This season particularly it seems we have conspired to lose in strange and painful ways, but if the vocal majority/minority on this board want to take the perceived high ground go ahead, I don't give a f***. I've been around long enough to know that these types of losses when they start mounting can have a cumulative effect that is often hard to overcome late in the season.

 

I don't want to be chicken little, but this bold is true/obvious. We have lost so many games this year we could and/or should have won, if our talent just played at their avg career capacity. I don't buy into an assumed tear at some point like last year is coming. We just haven't played good consistent ball overall aside from the rotation. It's starting to really add up 6 weeks in and it will matter in the Fall.

 

I know that the coming years with no Jose/Edwin and an aging Tulo/Martin etc are going to be leaner so feel hopeful this year we can get it together.

[intentional wok]

For f***'s sake. How did the pen blow it? They gave up the game winning run. That's it. Simple. Easy to comprehend. Patently obvious. Utterly transparent.

 

Yes we can argue about Estrada's uncharacteristicly poor start, the stuttering offense, the good work of the pen prior to the home run, the s***** strikezone called by the usual blind ump, but in the end the unalterable, inalienable, undeniable fact is that the bullpen gave up the game winning home run and we lost. Why is this so f***ing difficult to understand?

 

Well I definitely think the number of losses they are mounting will cost them down the road and that it's especially frustrating that a lot of them are due to incompetence than the quality of the other teams (errors, bullpen blowups, whole chunks of awful ABs by MVP-calibre hitters). It's definitely a concern.

 

I just don't think this loss particularly stung. Every pen will give up runs and they can't be perfect because the starter gave up the game early. I can't also expect them to be perfect to compensate for other games they lost. Floyd looked good but made a bad pitch. I don't consider it a collapse the way other losses this year have been.

[BlueJayWay]

For f***'s sake. How did the pen blow it? They gave up the game winning run. That's it. Simple. Easy to comprehend. Patently obvious. Utterly transparent.

The pen gave up one run. They had no lead to blow. It's unreasonable to expect a bullpen to never give up runs.

 

Yes we can argue about Estrada's uncharacteristicly poor start, the stuttering offense, the good work of the pen prior to the home run, the s***** strikezone called by the usual blind ump, but in the end the unalterable, inalienable, undeniable fact is that the bullpen gave up the game winning home run and we lost. Why is this so f***ing difficult to understand?

It's hard to believe you're even being serious with this. The parts I bolded seem more to do with losing that game than the bullpen giving up one run in 3.2 innings.

[Praxis]

The pen gave up one run. They had no lead to blow. It's unreasonable to expect a bullpen to never give up runs.

 

 

It's hard to believe you're even being serious with this. The parts I bolded seem more to do with losing that game than the bullpen giving up one run in 3.2 innings.

 

Let me make this as simple as I possibly can. Did our bullpen give up the game winning run, regardless of all other circumstances?

 

Did the game end on a home run that a member of the Blue Jays bullpen (Gavin Floyd) gave up to an opposing hitter from the Texas Rangers (Drew Stubbs)? Did this happen last night? Yes or no? Remember, you can only answer with one of those responses.