Does the StroShow blow?

[KingKat]

Well, he did preface his arguments by saying, "from the people in this organization I spoke with.." so maybe some of what he's saying is coming from someone who would know more?

 

Yeah... That's an intriguing possibility. Tabler might be acting as someone else's mouth piece.

[THANOS]

Yeah... That's an intriguing possibility. Tabler might be acting as someone else's mouth piece.

 

It would make a lot of sense, given that few of us expected Tabler to say any of this, and that's being generous lol.

 

Barker sounded a lot more like how I expected Tabler to sound.

Edited June 6, 2016 by THANOS

[GD]

I'm pretty sure landing foot does have an impact on control. Not that I would expect an MLB pitcher to struggle with this (at least someone who isn't gargantuanly tall and has trouble repeating mechanics).

[Jimcanuck]

I'm pretty sure landing foot does have an impact on control. Not that I would expect an MLB pitcher to struggle with this (at least someone who isn't gargantuanly tall and has trouble repeating mechanics).

 

Of course MLB pitchers will struggle with mechanics. It is a somewhat violent action to throw 90 MPH+. No different than golfers launching a little ball 300 yds+ - things get out of sync from time to time.

[THANOS]

I'm pretty sure landing foot does have an impact on control. Not that I would expect an MLB pitcher to struggle with this (at least someone who isn't gargantuanly tall and has trouble repeating mechanics).

 

Of course MLB pitchers will struggle with mechanics. It is a somewhat violent action to throw 90 MPH+. No different than golfers launching a little ball 300 yds+ - things get out of sync from time to time.

 

This. He may have been trying something different to compensate for poor control in one of his starts and it, has since, thrown him out of sync?

 

I do really like what I was hearing from Tabler, so hopefully, "his sources" have been able to get through to Stroman and will also be able to fix him mechanically. His walk rate has increased so much this season that it is likely something mechanical combined with batters staying off his low 2SM and bouncing off-speed.

[Jayday]

Force scenarios work both ways. A walk or HBP become an instant run. Ortiz also runs like a turtle, and Hanley isn't much better. It's not like you have to worry about catching Kiermeier. You shouldn't need a force play to make an out on either of those guys. If you can't throw out Ortiz or Hanley at first then there's an extremely good chance that Betts, Pedroia, or Bogaerts are already safe at the next base. Maybe Ortiz takes too long to get to second on a groundball, but now you're planning for a really specific scenario that you can't really control.

 

I'm with Stangstag on this one ...there's no way you pitch to ortiz ..other than you want to give the sox fans something to cheer about.

He's slower than a tortoise with 3 broken legs, chance he does not come around to score is about the same chance he has of hitting safely. Bad choice was made, didn't ortize burn us already this year?

[puphood]

Stroman and Sanchez both present a bigger problem to the Jays and that is when it is decided they have reached their season limit in innings pitched, who's going to replace one or both of them? Of coarse this is only a issue if they still are delusional and think they have a shot at making the post season.

[HERPDERP]

Stroman and Sanchez both present a bigger problem to the Jays and that is when it is decided they have reached their season limit in innings pitched, who's going to replace one or both of them? Of coarse this is only a issue if they still are delusional and think they have a shot at making the post season.

 

Put both in the bullpen.

 

Bring up Hutch + Trade for another starter

 

Problem solved

 

I doubt Shatkins have the balls to give up something of value though, so fully expect some AAA scrub to come in.

[baseballsss]

Put both in the bullpen.

 

Bring up Hutch + Trade for another starter

 

Problem solved

 

I doubt Shatkins have the balls to give up something of value though, so fully expect some AAA scrub to come in.

 

Chavez or Floyd?

[thatoneguy]

Just unserviceable right now.

[RealAccountant]

Time for the Stro Show to go to Buffalo and fix himself.

[Maahfaace]

Is it still a show if it makes you sick to your stomach?

[Jonn]

Is it still a show if it makes you sick to your stomach?

 

Unless you enjoy a blowshow.

[THANOS]

If you're Atkins/Shapiro and Stroman has another start like this in his next start vs the Phillies, what do you do with him?

[Stangstag]

If you're Atkins/Shapiro and Stroman has another start like this in his next start vs the Phillies, what do you do with him?

 

Demote to AAA, call up Hutch to take his spot

[BTS]

Stroman has a 3.89 xFIP and is eating 6.5 inning per start. He's not pitching like an ace, but there's nothing wrong with 200+ IP of true talent sub-4 ERA ball.

[THANOS]

Stroman has a 3.89 xFIP and is eating 6.5 inning per start. He's not pitching like an ace, but there's nothing wrong with 200+ IP of true talent sub-4 ERA ball.

 

Sure, but with the talent he, once, possessed he shouldn't be pitching like prime Buerhle. Would you agree with that? It certainly seems like a waste of talent to me?

[BTS]

Sure, but with the talent he, once, possessed he shouldn't be pitching like prime Buerhle. Would you agree with that? It certainly seems like a waste of talent to me?

 

And sending him down helps how? The best coaches in the org are in the majors. He's pitching like an average major league starter. Sending down an average starter because you hope that he'll somehow learn how to be an above average starter under inferior coaches in AAA is silly.

[burlingtonbandit]

Sure, but with the talent he, once, possessed he shouldn't be pitching like prime Buerhle. Would you agree with that? It certainly seems like a waste of talent to me?

 

What the hell is AAA going to do to help that problem? Plus you are making the club worse in the process.

[THANOS]

And sending him down helps how? The best coaches in the org are in the majors. He's pitching like an average major league starter. Sending down an average starter because you hope that he'll somehow learn how to be an above average starter under inferior coaches in AAA is silly.

 

Sending him down so he can figure out what worked in 2014 again, without having to brave the struggles in the majors helps the team right now. You would rather this continue?

 

Hypothetically, would you rather take the chance that Stroman continues to turn in starts like this in the majors, or give Hutchison a shot?

 

What the hell is AAA going to do to help that problem? Plus you are making the club worse in the process.

 

Hutchison looks like the better option right now. I can't see how Hutch filling that void would make the team worse? Please explain.

[BTS]

Sending him down so he can figure out what worked in 2014 again, without having the brave the struggles in the majors helps the team right now. You would rather this continue?

 

Hypothetically, would you rather take the chance that Stroman continues to turn in starts like this in the majors, or give Hutchison a shot?

 

 

 

Hutchison looks like the better option right now. I can't see how Hutch filling that void would make the team worse? Please explain.

 

You've just constructed a narrative based on pure speculation. There's simply no evidence to suggest that sending him down will lead to improved play.

 

And yes, I'm fine with this continuing. He's pitching like a 2-3 win starter. That's fine. You don't send a 2-3 win starter down to AAA because you're disappointed that he's not pitching like a 3-4 win starter.

[BigCecil]

You've just constructed a narrative based on pure speculation. There's simply no evidence to suggest that sending him down will lead to improved play.

 

And yes, I'm fine with this continuing. He's pitching like a 2-3 win starter. That's fine. You don't send a 2-3 win starter down to AAA because you're disappointed that he's not pitching like a 3-4 win starter.

 

Agreed. He f***ing sucks right now compared to what he could be, but he still is valuable. And I think he is going to figure it out. Right now he is batting practice.

[TheGrandslamMan]

I see there's a ton of overreaction here. I think that mostly stems from the let-down that resulted from the media hyping the kid as being some sort of "ace" after a small sample size. Most talented pitchers are always gonna look better during their 1st or 2nd go-round the league. He's getting more starts under his belt and hitters are becoming more comfortable facing him. It's really as simple as that. Whether or not this ends up rattling Stroman or not is another story.

 

I think he can act as a perfectly serviceable 4th starter type of guy who can toss the odd gem here and there.

[Stangstag]

Stroman has a 3.89 xFIP and is eating 6.5 inning per start. He's not pitching like an ace, but there's nothing wrong with 200+ IP of true talent sub-4 ERA ball.

 

Wasn't expecting the xFIP to be that decent

[BigCecil]

I see there's a ton of overreaction here. I think that mostly stems from the let-down that resulted from the media hyping the kid as being some sort of "ace" after a small sample size. Most talented pitchers are always gonna look better during their 1st or 2nd go-round the league. He's getting more starts under his belt and hitters are becoming more comfortable facing him. It's really as simple as that. Whether or not this ends up rattling Stroman or not is another story.

 

I think he can act as a perfectly serviceable 4th starter type of guy who can toss the odd gem here and there.

 

We all know he hasn't had that many starts and the league adjusts. Pitchers who come up rarely do what he did over his first 25 starts. He has the stuff and the command to be more than a back end innings eater. His xFIP, even with his recent struggles tells you that.

[TheGrandslamMan]

3.89XFIP is typically what a 3/4 starter will give you. Unless of course we're talking about some bottom-feeder team.

[Maahfaace]

Wasn't expecting the xFIP to be that decent

 

His latest 5 starts he has been much worse, closer to a 4.5 xFIP

[burlingtonbandit]

 

Hutchison looks like the better option right now. I can't see how Hutch filling that void would make the team worse? Please explain.

 

No he doesn't? He doesn't look much different than what he was in Toronto last year which is wore than Stroman. Stro is still the 3rd best starter on the team.

[TheGrandslamMan]

No he doesn't? He doesn't look much different than what he was in Toronto last year which is wore than Stroman. Stro is still the 3rd best starter on the team.

 

It's hard to say cause the rotations been so awesome this year.

 

I'm a Sanchez fanboy so I think he's our stud going forward, but with our other 4 theres a case to be made for any of them having any following ranking.

 

If you look at the current seasons rankings though, I hate to say it but Stromans currently sitting last. It's close between him and Dickey and the fact that Thole comes into the equation muddies the waters.... But you can't argue that Stroman's been better than Happ or Estrada.

 

Then the discussion of projections comes into play, and we all wanna think of Stroman as the pit-bull who came up mowing everyone down when he was new to the league and to play devils advocate Happ and Estrada have pitched a lot of s***** baseball in their career, so it's really hard to quantify at this point.

 

The fact is, any talk about sending Stroman down in favor of Hutch at this point is preposterous. Sure, an argument can be made that Hutch is getting a raw deal dealing with the rigors of AAA when theres a handful of other MLB teams who would gladly welcome him to the rotation, but that's just the way it has to go. I think if you send Stroman down it has to be because he's not cutting the mustard as a major league starter not because "Hutch could potentially perform better".

[BigCecil]

3.89XFIP is typically what a 3/4 starter will give you. Unless of course we're talking about some bottom-feeder team.

 

No kidding. Look at 2014-15