General 2016 Blue Jays discussion thread

[Governator]

Girado's numbers in the minors don't look too bad. Could be a guy.

 

Maybe Chavez to DL? Girado is a loogy isn't he? His arm slot is just like Loup as well.

[Cyborg]

Bello suspended 80 games.

[Nabru]

Someone's saying the Jays have suspended Colabello.

 

Edit: beat and wrong.

[Terminator]

Hutchison to start Sunday for one start. Then permanent move to replace Cola will be made.

[Krylian]

Girado's numbers in the minors don't look too bad. Could be a guy.

 

Nah. I think he's a girl.

[THANOS]

McCown just reported that Hutch has been called up to start on Sunday. Maybe this is the start of that 6-man Rotation that's been teased?

[CHRIS]

How does Hutch play into all of this? Did one of our pitchers get injured?

[CHRIS]

McCown just reported that Hutch has been called up to start on Sunday and attempt a 6-man rotation going forward.

 

So Gibby is going to lead off with Zeke, and now be charged with handling a 6-man rotation?

 

[hilarious gif]What is going on?[/hilarious gif]

[Hal Johnson]

I think Gibby is throwing in the towel.

[HERPDERP]

you know what is even more absurd?

 

Why the hell is Carrera leading off? Goins is better than him at that...

[vdubmvp]

[HERPDERP]

well this day just gets better

[Daniel Labude]

McCown just reported that Hutch has been called up to start on Sunday. Maybe this is the start of that 6-man Rotation that's been teased?

 

This would almost ensure selling at the trade deadline lol

[Hal Johnson]

http://bestanimations.com/Military/Explosions/atomic-mushroom-cloud-explosion-2-2.gif

[Horses Fart]

I think we were all expecting a smooth start to the season like the last 60 or so games last year but instead it's been a f***in BruHa!

[ValiantJaysFan]

Carrera hitting lead off tonight. LMAO

[Hal Johnson]

Carrera hitting lead off tonight. LMAO

 

That should be an automatic 80 game suspension for Gibby.

[Angrioter]

6 man rotation for Sanchez and Stroman's innings obviously.

 

Good news. New Stroman suxx

[ValiantJaysFan]

That should be an automatic 80 game suspension for Gibby.

 

If they win tonight he will be leading off for the next 2 weeks, watch

[gruber92]

What's wrong with Saunders? Why the f***ing f*** is Carrera leading off tonight? Has Gibbons gone full retard?

[ValiantJaysFan]

What's wrong with Saunders? Why the f***ing f*** is Carrera leading off tonight? Has Gibbons gone full retard?

 

Saunders and Tulo needed the day off. Literally anyone else would be a better lead off hitter though

[THANOS]

 

Oh god..

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Ezekiel Carrera is leading off tonight guys.

 

Barney is also in for Tulo.

 

My god.

[BTS]

Its like if I go buy furniture or a TV from Leon's and they give you the option of no payment or interest for 24 months. Even though I could afford it now its smarter to wait because the value of that money will be less in 2 years with inflation. I just have to be smart and not spend the money I allocated for that furniture for those 2 years.

 

I don't think it's anything like that. A contract is just part of a larger payroll. The goal is to fit as many wins as possible under that payroll. Take a player signed for $82M over 5 years. Say you project him at around 3, 2.5, 2, 1, 0.5 over the next 5 years:

 

backloaded at 7, 15, 20, 20, 20 you're paying the following per WAR:

year 1 = 2.333

year 2 = 6

year 3 = 10

year 4 = 20

year 5 = 40

 

say you do the reverse and frontload it

year 1 = 6.666

year 2 = 8

year 3 = 10

year 4 = 15

year 5 = 14

 

With the frontloaded contract you've avoided any albatross seasons where the projected production relative to salary will make it difficult to accrue enough WAR to make the potseason. The years where he's paid 20M, he provides production enough to warrant it. When the production dips, so does the financial burden, so you have the cash to replace his wins. It's very difficult for a mid-tier team to compete in years where they're paying 20M for near replacement level production.

 

And you might be able to get out of the frontloaded contract:

 

total contract = 9M/WAR

out after year 2 = 7.3M/WAR (likely only possible if frontloaded)

out after year 3 = 8M/WAR (likely only possible if frontloaded)

 

For a player, it makes sense to get as much money as possible up front (the leon's example applies to them). They might even take less money overall for a frontloaded deal. That would make it a no-brainer if the team has enough money under the budget in year one to frontload.

Edited April 22, 2016 by BTS

[bones10]

Oh god..

 

[BTS]

 

Here come the Tulo injuries!

[Dylan]

Here come the Tulo injuries!

 

and saunders lol

[Angrioter]

Carlos Santana leadoff for the Indians today. Francona said OBP > speed when it comes to the leadoff role. Tito: "If you're running back to the dugout fast, that's no good."

 

Tito our next manager

[ValiantJaysFan]

Carlos Santana leadoff for the Indians today. Francona said OBP > speed when it comes to the leadoff role. Tito: "If you're running back to the dugout fast, that's no good."

 

Tito our next manager

 

Really wish he would come to Toronto. But the Indians would have to let him go first. He didn't opt out in the winter.

[burlingtonbandit]

I don't think it's anything like that. A contract is just part of a larger payroll. The goal is to fit as many wins as possible under that payroll. Take a player signed for $82M over 5 years. Say you project him at around 3, 2.5, 2, 1, 0.5 over the next 5 years:

 

backloaded at 7, 15, 20, 20, 20 you're paying the following per WAR:

year 1 = 2.333

year 2 = 6

year 3 = 10

year 4 = 20

year 5 = 40

 

say you do the reverse and frontload it

year 1 = 6.666

year 2 = 8

year 3 = 10

year 4 = 15

year 5 = 14

 

With the frontloaded contract you've avoided any albatross seasons where the projected production relative to salary will make it difficult to accrue enough WAR to make the potseason. The years where he's paid 20M, he provides production enough to warrant it. When the production dips, so does the financial burden, so you have the cash to replace his wins. It's very difficult for a mid-tier team to compete in years where they're paying 20M for near replacement level production.

 

And you might be able to get out of the frontloaded contract:

 

total contract = 9M/WAR

out after year 2 = 7.3M/WAR (likely only possible if frontloaded)

out after year 3 = 8M/WAR (likely only possible if frontloaded)

 

For a player, it makes sense to get as much money as possible up front (the leon's example applies to them). They might even take less money overall for a frontloaded deal. That would make it a no-brainer if the team has enough money under the budget in year one to frontload.

 

But you can always add in money to a deal to make a trade more attractive to other teams. If you had that money saved from the backloaded deal you could use it to unload the player.

 

I think you are right in that a player would always prefer a front loaded deal if given the choice but I think now a days where the contracts are getting to be so big that some of it is union related. The Union wants the contract number to be as high as possible so maybe there is some leeway in getting the player to accept a backloaded deal or deferred money since the amount of money they are getting is so high in the first place.