How would you rate Toronto's offseason?

[Laika]

Any offseason where you can replace AA and Beeston with Shapiro and friends has to be excellent. There's no other valid answer.

[closetjaysfan]

I voted poor. Storen is the only move I am excited about. The other moves seemed like filler or obvious maintenance (ie: options and depth moves). If the Yanks and Sox do nothing, then this is an average off season. Unfortunately, every team in the AL east save for the Orioles are more improved over last year.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

I voted poor. Storen is the only move I am excited about. The other moves seemed like filler or obvious maintenance (ie: options and depth moves). If the Yanks and Sox do nothing, then this is an average off season. Unfortunately, every team in the AL east save for the Orioles are more improved over last year.

 

You're 100% entitled to your opinion. But man, this lineup needs very little tweaking. And we have a better SP rotation going into this season than last. And I think we've restocked our AAA team with minor league contracts. Happ and Estrada aren't exciting, but they may surprise. I give this off season a 4/5 mehs.

 

And I think they are always ready to make changes during the season.

 

I think how they address EE and JB will really underline how things are going to roll under the new FO.

 

I was really happy they settled with Donaldson on a new contract. If they went to arb over $500K I would have been f***ing incensed.

[Captain Adama]

I voted poor. Storen is the only move I am excited about. The other moves seemed like filler or obvious maintenance (ie: options and depth moves). If the Yanks and Sox do nothing, then this is an average off season. Unfortunately, every team in the AL east save for the Orioles are more improved over last year.

 

Youre saying that the general strategy of acquiring depth is a bad thing.Lack of depth was one of the reasons (including general shittiness) was why the Jays sucked recently. It'll be refreshing to have guess who can step in and not be minor league feces.

[BillBucknorslegs]

The bullpen is somewhat improved over last year. The hitting has not changed and is therefore still likely to be the best in baseball. The SP is average (we hope) and that's it.

 

Rogers needs to die a terrible, terrible death in screaming agony and flames for not stepping up to the plate and providing the funds for a true ace or a bona fide closer and allowing our payroll to move down to the middle of the pack (14th) despite fans showing up in droves (8th in attendance). For f***s sake the Royals are outspending us now.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/2016/

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance/_/year/2015

 

Thus, mediocre.

[o2cui2i]

they didn't do anything colossally stupid, so it's all good

[Abomination]

Rogers needs to die a terrible, terrible death in screaming agony and flames for not stepping up to the plate and providing the funds for a true ace or a bona fide closer and allowing our payroll to move down to the middle of the pack. For f***s sake the Royals are outspending us now.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/2016/

 

We're ahead of the Royals once min salary guys are figured in.

[burlingtonbandit]

The bullpen is somewhat improved over last year. The hitting has not changed and is therefore still likely to be the best in baseball. The SP is average (we hope) and that's it.

 

Rogers needs to die a terrible, terrible death in screaming agony and flames for not stepping up to the plate and providing the funds for a true ace or a bona fide closer and allowing our payroll to move down to the middle of the pack (14th) despite fans showing up in droves (8th in attendance). For f***s sake the Royals are outspending us now.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/2016/

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance/_/year/2015

 

Thus, mediocre.

 

Having an average payroll with our market size is pretty frustrating. Jays really get screwed with a corporation owning the team but nothing we can really do..

[BTS]

Having an average payroll with our market size is pretty frustrating. Jays really get screwed with a corporation owning the team but nothing we can really do..

 

Market size matters but the Canadian dollar hovering at around 70 cents is a non-factor?

[Frag]

Meh.

[Frag]

Market size matters but the Canadian dollar hovering at around 70 cents is a non-factor?

 

Plus taxes.

[saskjayfan]

voted mediocre....did like the Storen trade. Could have voted good if they would have signed Cecil to an extension. Cecil is going to be dynamite this year. They probably won't be willing to pay him if he hits free agency.

[Sammy225]

voted mediocre....did like the Storen trade. Could have voted good if they would have signed Cecil to an extension. Cecil is going to be dynamite this year. They probably won't be willing to pay him if he hits free agency.

 

Ummmm..... You realize how volatile relievers are right. They sign an extension and he bombs it likely won't end well.

[saskjayfan]

Market size matters but the Canadian dollar hovering at around 70 cents is a non-factor?

 

Toronto is the 4th largest market size in North America. The Jays draw from all of Canada. The dollar is 74 cents now, which is great because it's the 5.2 billion dollar hockey deal that is the real issue. Hope the dollar moves up closer to .80 by year end.

[Abomination]

Toronto is the 4th largest market size in North America. The Jays draw from all of Canada. The dollar is 74 cents now, which is great because it's the 5.2 billion dollar hockey deal that is the real issue. Hope the dollar moves up closer to .80 by year end.

 

For whatever it's worth, the Ontario budget projects 72 cents this year, 75.5 next year, 81 in 2018, and 83 in 2019.

[saskjayfan]

Ummmm..... You realize how volatile relievers are right. They sign an extension and he bombs it likely won't end well.

 

Cecil has had elite swing and miss stuff since transitioning to being a reliever. It hasn't been one year, it's been three years now. Cecil has never been able to limit walks until last year. I think he has a better feel as a reliever now and will continue to limit the walks. If he's around 2 walks per 9 this year he's going to get paid. He's the most under appreciated players on the team. I'm predicting a multi year deal with an AAV north of 7 mil per year.

[GD]

For whatever it's worth, the Ontario budget projects 72 cents this year, 75.5 next year, 81 in 2018, and 83 in 2019.

 

Do they say why?

[Dick_Pole]

The bullpen is somewhat improved over last year. The hitting has not changed and is therefore still likely to be the best in baseball. The SP is average (we hope) and that's it.

 

Rogers needs to die a terrible, terrible death in screaming agony and flames for not stepping up to the plate and providing the funds for a true ace or a bona fide closer and allowing our payroll to move down to the middle of the pack (14th) despite fans showing up in droves (8th in attendance). For f***s sake the Royals are outspending us now.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/2016/

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance/_/year/2015

 

Thus, mediocre.

 

Ok, so if Rogers goes bankrupt tomorrow, who takes over the team? Be careful what you wish for.

 

Also I have no idea why you are complaining about not having a bona fide closer as part of your rant. This team has Osuna and Storen and failing that, Cecil. Three guys who are perfectly capable of taking over the closer role.

[Dick_Pole]

Do they say why?

 

Probably oil price rebound. Oil can't stay at $30 forever and the $CAD is highly correlated to the price of oil.

[JaysRap]

Voted mediocre. I'm not sold on the rotation (depth is fine but I prefer more higher ceiling guys) or on Saunders. Only Thole being the backup is terrible. At least the bullpen looks better so we'll see.

[GD]

Probably oil price rebound. Oil can't stay at $30 forever and the $CAD is highly correlated to the price of oil.

 

Figured. I don't know enough about oil to know why it'll improve

[burlingtonbandit]

Market size matters but the Canadian dollar hovering at around 70 cents is a non-factor?

 

Its a factor but I think people make too much of a stink over it. I read somewhere with revenue sharing and MLBAM the Jays receive close to $100 Million in USD. So its not like you take the payroll and multiply it by the exchange to get the cost to the Jays.

[Grant77]

I said mediocre. I could take or leave any of the moves, nothing really bad or good. I'm bump it up to good if we can extend EE for reasonable terms.

[BillBucknorslegs]

Market size matters but the Canadian dollar hovering at around 70 cents is a non-factor?

 

It has been mentioned many times that when the Canadian dollar is high the Jays buy a crap load of US Dollars. A couple of years ago it was nearly $1.10 CAD to $1 US. Sorry, but this argument just does not wash.

[BTS]

It has been mentioned many times that when the Canadian dollar is high the Jays buy a crap load of US Dollars. A couple of years ago it was nearly $1.10 CAD to $1 US. Sorry, but this argument just does not wash.

 

I wish nobody had ever explained this to the casuals. The idea that it makes them impervious to the effects of a dollar that is well less than par for the foreseeable future is silly.

[BlueJayWay]

I'd say it was fine. Somewhere between mediocre and good.

[Chappy]

It was a very passable offseason. Not great by any means, but given our roster construction it fits well.

[burlingtonbandit]

The dollar just seems like a convinient excuse for Rogers not to spend more money, just like the "5 year contract policy"

[Swervin81]

Overall, I'm fine with it.

[BillBucknorslegs]

I wish nobody had ever explained this to the casuals. The idea that it makes them impervious to the effects of a dollar that is well less than par for the foreseeable future is silly.

 

This is a grossly condescending statement and one that should be treated with the contempt it deserves. No-one has suggested it makes them impervious, but rather that the 70 cent dollar does not necessarily equate to a 30 loss in operating income either. This is obvious and logical.

 

The Jays are not exactly hurting for revenue or team value either as Forbes published in March of 2015:

 

http://www.forbes.com/teams/toronto-blue-jays/

 

I would love to see where the Jays are now after likely the most profitable season in their history.