How would you rate Toronto's offseason?

[BTS]

This is a grossly condescending statement and one that should be treated with the contempt it deserves. No-one has suggested it makes them impervious, but rather that the 70 cent dollar does not necessarily equate to a 30 loss in operating income either. This is obvious and logical.

 

The Jays are not exactly hurting for revenue or team value either as Forbes published in March of 2015:

 

http://www.forbes.com/teams/toronto-blue-jays/

 

I would love to see where the Jays are now after likely the most profitable season in their history.

 

This is a grossly condescending statement and one that should be treated with the contempt it deserves. No-one has suggested that the 70-cent dollar equates to a 30% loss in operating income, but rather that holding American currency does not make them impervious to the 70-cent dollar. This is obvious and logical.

[spittin]

It was a very passable offseason. Not great by any means, but given our roster construction it fits well.

 

Chappy you're up buddy, in the fascinating waiver draft.

[Chappy]

The dollar just seems like a convinient excuse for Rogers not to spend more money, just like the "5 year contract policy"

 

Is that the same logic most of society utilizes? Because I'd rather not see my favorite team on the the brink of bankruptcy.

[Chappy]

Chappy you're up buddy, in the fascinating waiver draft.

 

Thanks man. I'm taking my time on this for reasons unknown.

[Spanky99]

Thanks man. I'm taking my time on this for reasons unknown.

 

To be an ass? How about the FC, it's becoming a joke, 15th............Wat?

[Spanky99]

I've been with Mrs. BTS for like 7 years. I'm doing it perfectly cromulently, and that's OK.

 

I knew you'd take cromulent and ride it, lol.

[Spanky99]

RIP sorry to hear that

 

Do you guys still have sex ever? I get bored of anybody after like a year, I'm destined to die alone.

 

Same, I'll never marry again or live-in, I love my space.

 

Edit: Things could change, but I'm liking being a pig.

[Spanky99]

I voted poor. Storen is the only move I am excited about. The other moves seemed like filler or obvious maintenance (ie: options and depth moves). If the Yanks and Sox do nothing, then this is an average off season. Unfortunately, every team in the AL east save for the Orioles are more improved over last year.

 

You haven't payed attention.

[Spanky99]

Having an average payroll with our market size is pretty frustrating. Jays really get screwed with a corporation owning the team but nothing we can really do..

 

f***, yer dumn.

[Spanky99]

Toronto is the 4th largest market size in North America. The Jays draw from all of Canada. The dollar is 74 cents now, which is great because it's the 5.2 billion dollar hockey deal that is the real issue. Hope the dollar moves up closer to .80 by year end.

 

That's a different platform, plus I'm positive they make more money off that deal. The Blue Jays are entirely different, they make a lot of money for their bottom line. It's all they care about.

[Spanky99]

The dollar just seems like a convinient excuse for Rogers not to spend more money, just like the "5 year contract policy"

 

Once again, yer dumn.

[Spanky99]

Uh-Oh... multiple posts?!

[nonamejays]

Sub par from my perspective.

 

They are relying on a rotation where there is too many ifs and maybes on it. The good thing is that it's probably 7-8 people deep, so if several crap the bed, they will have other options. Not at all confident with the rotation whatsoever. Like getting Storen. Hoping that he allows the Jays to stretch out either Sanchez or Osuna.

[Jimcanuck]

Same, I'll never marry again or live-in, I love my space.

 

Edit: Things could change, but I'm liking being a pig.

 

plus, hookers are cheaper

[Pulk_Pull]

Voted 'Good' as this felt like the type of offseason that is trying to bridge the gap between now and future success, without handcuffing more salary in ageing players or volatile BP pieces. Something I think the casuals are disappointed in, but will be happy about in 2 years. He has also left himself some salary wiggle-room to go out during the season and bring in salary dumps if they can help the team.

 

Overall, I'm glad we didn't spend like drunken sailors in FA or on extensions, and become the dice-roll that is the Detroit Tigers. I saw someone say 'shrewd', and that is a great way to classify this offseason for a team that just needed some tweaking.

[Sorrow]

Voted 'Good'.

 

I'm not super thrilled that we didn't get some more impact talent, whether through trades or FA, but with how the market has played out this winter I'm fine with that. If you think it's a poor off-season I think you need to give your head a shake.

[KingKat]

I knew you'd take cromulent and ride it, lol.

 

A perfectly cromulent ride?

[burlingtonbandit]

f***, yer dumn.

 

how is that statement not true? If the Jays were owned by a single owner or even MLSE their payroll would be a lot higher.

[Jimcanuck]

how is that statement not true? If the Jays were owned by a single owner or even MLSE their payroll would be a lot higher.

 

You don't know this. Another owner may calculate a lower payroll would max out profit.

[BTS]

how is that statement not true? If the Jays were owned by a single owner or even MLSE their payroll would be a lot higher.

 

You have no idea if this is true. A top half payroll with a 70 cent dollar is pretty solid. Things can be (and have been) much, much worse.

[burlingtonbandit]

You don't know this. Another owner may calculate a lower payroll would max out profit.

 

Sure, but its extremely unlikely because if it was a single owner the franchise would be getting double the TV contract they get currently. Since the Jays are owned by Rogers, SN gets the exclusive rights to broadcast all games for a fraction of the cost compared to the amount they would get if it was an open bidding war.

 

So unless the owner was pocketing tens of Millions of dollars every year they payroll likely would be higher.

[burlingtonbandit]

You have no idea if this is true.

 

Theres a very good chance. Thats like saying we don't know that the Blue Jays will win more games than the Phillies this year. Sure, it can happen where the Phillies win more games, but the odds are pretty damn stacked.

[BTS]

Theres a very good chance. Thats like saying we don't know that the Blue Jays will win more games than the Phillies this year. Sure, it can happen but the odds are pretty damn stacked.

 

If only the Ottawa Senators were owned by a singe owner. Ownership would be so great.

[burlingtonbandit]

If only the Ottawa Senators were owned by a singe owner. Ownership would be so great.

 

My point was in reference to payroll. The Jays could have some wacko meddling owner, but even then there is a very good chance payroll is higher because of the whole corporate structure Rogers faces with owning the team.

[BTS]

Or the Angels. Or the Orioles. Or the Tigers. Or the White Sox. Single owners running elite organizations in huge markets (Baltimore excepted). If only the Jays had ownership like that!

[BTS]

My point was in reference to payroll. The Jays could have some wacko meddling owner, but even then there is a very good chance payroll is higher because of the whole corporate structure Rogers faces with owning the team.

 

The reality is that you don't have the faintest clue what payroll would be if the team was sold. You have no idea how profitable the team is, you have no idea how long the dollar will be weak, you have no idea how how the weak dollar effects business. You have no idea who would buy the team, who they would put in place to run it, or what they would be consider to be an optimal payroll. You know nothing. I know nothing. But I know enough to be content with a great front office and ~top-10 payroll despite a very weak dollar, and to not whine incessantly about how great it would be if the team was sold.

[Boxcar]

Or the Dodgers, or the Red Sox, or the Cubs, or the Nationals, or the Padres, or the Rangers

[burlingtonbandit]

The reality is that you don't have the faintest clue what payroll would be if the team was sold. You have no idea how profitable the team is, you have no idea how long the dollar will be weak, you have no idea how how the weak dollar effects business. You have no idea who would buy the team, who they would put in place to run it, or what they would be consider to be an optimal payroll. You know nothing. I know nothing. But I know enough to be content with a great front office and ~top-10 payroll despite a very weak dollar, and to not whine incessantly about how great it would be if the team was sold.

 

You many know nothing, but I as well as other people have a fair idea on how a team's business operates. We don't know specific details, but we know that Rogers has to be "making money off the Blue Jays every year" for its shareholders. Whatever money the Blue Jays make goes to cover the losses of the media division of Rogers which includes the big NHL contract.

 

Lastly, its not even a top 10 payroll....

[BTS]

You many know nothing, but I as well as other people have a fair idea on how a team's business operates. We don't know specific details, but we know that Rogers has to be "making money off the Blue Jays every year" for its shareholders. Whatever money the Blue Jays make goes to cover the losses of the media division of Rogers which includes the big NHL contract.

 

Lastly, its not even a top 10 payroll....

 

lmao

[burlingtonbandit]

Also, Rogers brings in billions in profits every year and continues to increase its dividend. The idea that the hockey deal is a dark cloud looming over the entire company, squeezing every division's budget is hilarious.

 

The Blue Jays are part of the media division which is separate.

 

But wholly owned subsidiary companies such as the Blue Jays are subject to strict internal budgets within Rogers Media, the division that operates the team along with the company’s broadcast properties. According to a source familiar with the finances of both Rogers and BCE, if Rogers were to sign Price for $30-million a season, then that $30-million would have to come from the budgets of other Rogers Media companies.

 

It also does not help that market analysts point out how any increase in the Blue Jays’ payroll drives up Rogers Media’s quarterly expenses. There are no such remarks about the Leafs, Raptors and TFC, because their expenses do not affect their companies’ EBITDA.

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/no-love-for-blue-jays-in-rogerss-sports-spending-blame-an-accounting-rule/article28709405/