Rick Westhead: Jose Bautista seeks 5 years $150M

fireballW · February 23, 2016

Probably the fact that he was fairly recently a very good player, still 28 and employ his hitting coach from when he was really good, plus he was a bit unlucky last year?

Type of player that could have a big bounce back year. At worse, he sucks, we waste a bit of money (possibly) and we use Pompey instead. At best, he goes off and hits like he was a couple years ago, gives us somewhat of a replacement gor Bautista or gets us more in trade value next summer than we gave up this summer.

Spanky99 · February 23, 2016

Type of player that could have a big bounce back year. At worse, he sucks, we waste a bit of money (possibly) and we use Pompey instead. At best, he goes off and hits like he was a couple years ago, gives us somewhat of a replacement gor Bautista or gets us more in trade value next summer than we gave up this summer.

Yeah, everything points at a cat bounce season, nothing is guaranteed obviously, but it could end up a very shrewd move.

closetjaysfan · February 23, 2016

I would rather see how he looks at the end of this season before negotiating a deal that even approaches that. For one thing, players typically perform better in a contract year. For another thing, he is getting older and this coming season will help predict the next couple of years. Finally, if the jays are stinking it up near the trade deadline we might be able to move him for prospects.

closetjaysfan · February 23, 2016

Ultimately, the best contract imo would be an incentive laden one... I doubt that Jose agrees to that though.

burlingtonbandit · February 23, 2016

It seems like Jose wants his AAV to be one of the highest in MLB. Since he's very confident in his ability to play a while I wonder if he would take a short term contract with a higher AAV. Something like 3 years/85 Million.

Regardless I think he is going to FA.

glory · February 23, 2016

Type of player that could have a big bounce back year. At worse, he sucks, we waste a bit of money (possibly) and we use Pompey instead. At best, he goes off and hits like he was a couple years ago, gives us somewhat of a replacement gor Bautista or gets us more in trade value next summer than we gave up this summer.

That's the way I see it. They obviously don't feel 2014-15 is reflective of his talent going forward. In that case, if they feel his bat is fixable, and it won't take much to get him, then that's their reasoning. Potentially a buy low with a team option attached. What it would have cost to get him is the question, and something it looks like we may never find out.

Spanky99 · February 23, 2016

It seems like Jose wants his AAV to be one of the highest in MLB. Since he's very confident in his ability to play a while I wonder if he would take a short term contract with a higher AAV. Something like 3 years/85 Million.

Regardless I think he is going to FA.

I'd like to downvote that 3 year offer, thanks.

GeorgiaPeach · February 23, 2016

Google "Jose Bautista Training" . There's a ton of stuff out there on him/it.

It's crazy how fans care so much about a player's training regimen, but they can't tell you f*** all about the sport the player plays.

Edited February 23, 2016 by GeorgiaPeach

Spanky99 · February 23, 2016

That's the way I see it. They obviously don't feel 2014-15 is reflective of his talent going forward. In that case, if they feel his bat is fixable, and it won't take much to get him, then that's their reasoning. Potentially a buy low with a team option attached. What it would have cost to get him is the question, and something it looks like we may never find out.

Yes, you should always negotiate the bat and body moving forward, especially at his age. Never previous accolades, unless they're young.

burlingtonbandit · February 23, 2016

I'd like to downvote that 3 year offer, thanks.

I don't think the Blue Jays would sign him to that, but perhaps other teams will cough *Boston*

Spanky99 · February 23, 2016

I don't think the Blue Jays would sign him to that, but perhaps other teams will cough *Boston*

It's still outrageous, and Boston isn't a fit.

gbill2004 · February 23, 2016

CJ Nitkowski from Fox Sports on PTS saying he'd give Jose $110-115 million over 4 years.

Jimcanuck · February 23, 2016

I've said it a million times, EE is the better target.

Thanks for the memories, Jose

burlingtonbandit · February 23, 2016

It's still outrageous, and Boston isn't a fit.

Huh? There isn't a better park than Fenway for Jose's skillset. He could be an above average LF there too.

Spanky99 · February 23, 2016

Huh? There isn't a better park than Fenway for Jose's skillset. He could be an above average LF there too.

They have plenty of them.

burlingtonbandit · February 23, 2016

They have plenty of them.

Also don't have a DH..

Spanky99 · February 23, 2016

Also don't have a DH..

What?

Boxcar · February 23, 2016

It's crazy how fans care so much about a player's training regimen, but they can't tell you f*** all about the sport the player plays.

Not really that crazy, or relevant. What is crazy is how pissy you get over the concept that casual bandwagon fans even exist.

TheHurl · February 23, 2016

Also don't have a DH..

They have 2.

burlingtonbandit · February 23, 2016

What?

With Ortiz retiring they don't have a DH next year. If you want to move Hanley to DH then you would have 1B open, both of which Bautista could play.

RealAccountant · February 23, 2016

Omg spanky

First establish a benchmark for average performance vs clutch performance for the league then compare it to Bautista average vs clutch

So while Bautista might be 10% worse clutch vs average he may still be better than a league that is 20% worse clutch vs average which would make him a plus 10

In this case looking at just Bautista's numbers is misleading

Spanky99 · February 23, 2016

Omg spanky

First establish a benchmark for average performance vs clutch performance for the league then compare it to Bautista average vs clutch

So while Bautista might be 10% worse clutch vs average he may still be better than a league that is 20% worse clutch vs average which would make him a plus 10

In this case looking at just Bautista's numbers is misleading

DIAF... Please, trip in traffic, walk in front of a streetcar, IDK!

Maahfaace · February 23, 2016

Omg spanky

First establish a benchmark for average performance vs clutch performance for the league then compare it to Bautista average vs clutch

So while Bautista might be 10% worse clutch vs average he may still be better than a league that is 20% worse clutch vs average which would make him a plus 10

In this case looking at just Bautista's numbers is misleading

get to doing it then

Spanky99 · February 23, 2016

With Ortiz retiring they don't have a DH next year. If you want to move Hanley to DH then you would have 1B open, both of which Bautista could play.

Do you look at their 25 to 40 man, ever?

saskjayfan · February 23, 2016

no one is giving jose 5 150. Irresponsible journalism is the cause of most of this fuss. Jose has a number he wants. He's entitled to wait. There's risk on both ends. If Jose has a great year someone will probably give him 4 100 or 5 110. The Jays will have to decide if they want to match that level of commitment. Jose and Sandoval are polar opposites. Sandoval got big years and dollars because he was young, but he does't take care of his body and his contract isn't a great one. Jose despite being old may very well keep his level of play up and earn his 4 year 90 or 100 or whatever he ends up getting. 39 no good is just the norm. Jose could be the outlier and be 39 and very good, but there's no guarantees in baseball. That's what makes it interesting.

fatcowxlive · February 23, 2016

Has anything this Westhead guy has reported turned out not to be garbage?

^^^

I'd take this with a grain of salt

Cyborg · February 23, 2016

Omg spanky

First establish a benchmark for average performance vs clutch performance for the league then compare it to Bautista average vs clutch

So while Bautista might be 10% worse clutch vs average he may still be better than a league that is 20% worse clutch vs average which would make him a plus 10

In this case looking at just Bautista's numbers is misleading

Except that the league is the same in clutch and non clutch. The only thing that skews it is better relievers pitching in high leverage.

RealAccountant · February 23, 2016

Except that the league is the same in clutch and non clutch. The only thing that skews it is better relievers pitching in high leverage.

That's very difficult to believe is there a link

Jonn · February 24, 2016

Sign me up for one of those competitive offers. Just don't sign with the f***ing Red Sox.

Cyborg · February 24, 2016

That's very difficult to believe is there a link

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=np&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2015&month=24&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0,ss&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

Low leverage=100 wRC+

Medium leverge = 101 wRC+

High Leverage = 93 wRC+ (better reliever in)

Base empty = 96 wRC+ (better pitcher, thats why bases are empty)

Men on = 105 wRC+ (worse pitcher, hence men on base)

Men in scoring = 102 wRC+ (worse pitcher, but sometimes reliever brought in)

When adjusting for quality of competition, I'm sure it is all the same.

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