Revere to the Nats in 3...2...1

[Brownie19]

Thought exercise... What would Revere fetch as a FA on the open market?

 

Span just got 3 year $10M aav didn't he?

[glory]

Wow this trade actually happened. We just discussed this today in another thread.

 

I don't mind trading Revere, but this really limits the depth on this team. Saunders and Lake is probably the platoon in left unless Saunders is hurt. Jays need to add another OF now.

 

Storen in the pen is an upgrade though. It will be interesting to see what they do with Sanchez and Osuna. I think this probably signals Sanchez being stretched out, at the very least.

[KingKat]

Dunno. Osuna *could* make the starting rotation out of ST

 

Innings are a concern. They need to be ramped up. This will have to be some sort of tweener year. Maybe ramp up his bullpen usage with longer outings and transition him that way or bite the bullet and just send him to the minors. Either is more probable now with the presence of Storen.

[intentional wok]

I completely forgot about Junior Lake. Shapatkins really have picked up lots of little pieces, haven't they?

[GD]

Revere is a 2 WAR outfielder and Storen is a 1 WAR closer.

Revere makes 6.7M and has 2 years of control, Storen makes 8.8M and has 1 year of control.

Needs to be quite a bit of money coming back to be worth it honestly...

 

ehhhh

[KingKat]

Span just got 3 year $10M aav didn't he?

 

Yeah that was a mistake post. I meant to ask about Storen because there were some complaints that he was expensive.

[TheHurl]

Revere is a 2 WAR outfielder and Storen is a 1 WAR closer.

Revere makes 6.7M and has 2 years of control, Storen makes 8.8M and has 1 year of control.

Needs to be quite a bit of money coming back to be worth it honestly...

 

Revere was a 2 WAR OF. That does not mean he will be this year. All his value is in his legs and he's less versatile than Pompey. It's removed the one area of depth on the team...but it filled a hole and by projections improved the team short term. If Saunders can just get a blade put on after his amputation, the depth is back.

[KingKat]

There had better be a viable OF added before the season starts.

 

Venable?

[GD]

Yeah that was a mistake post. I meant to ask about Storen because there were some complaints that he was expensive.

 

You must be thrilled this week is over.

[flafson]

ehhhh

 

Check his last 2 years vs Storen's last 2 years.

It's 2 WAR vs 1 WAR.

[GD]

Check his last 2 years vs Storen's last 2 years.

It's 2 WAR vs 1 WAR.

 

Yeah but the steamerbible doesn't really like revere at this point

 

+ FIP war might underrate relievers

 

It's basically a wash, honestly

[glory]

If Saunders is healthy, then this move is great.

 

What are the chances of that being reality, though? He has a f***ed up knee and missed an entire season. Betting on him in LF is a huge risk.

[Angrioter]

Reliever WAR is s***.

[Abomination]

Yeah but the steamerbible doesn't really like revere at this point

 

+ FIP war might underrate relievers

 

It's basically a wash, honestly

 

I think the better argument is that Storen is a badly needed bullpen upgrade, and Pompey's defense can almost certainly provide the same kind of WAR that Revere did, even if the bat lags behind.

[BTS]

Venable?

 

Someone better would be preferable. As things stand their everyday LF is completely unproven at the major league level, their 4th OF just missed the entire season because he got his meniscus removed, and there isn't a 5th OF in the org you'd expect to be better than replacement.

 

Storen is good, and the pen looks better now, obviously, but as things stand the OF needs to be addressed.

[GD]

I think the better argument is that Storen is a badly needed bullpen upgrade, and Pompey's defense can almost certainly provide the same kind of WAR that Revere did, even if the bat lags behind.

 

Sure but he's just comparing their WAR and I'm saying their WAR figures might not be accurate

 

your stuff too, gold star

[Angrioter]

Now we can play with only 2 OFers. Pompey LCF and Pillar RCF; Bautista between 1B and 2B, Smoak 1B

[Nafro]

Reliever WAR is s***.

 

This^

[Grant77]

While the fit is obvious, I don't like this deal from a value perspective. I expected Shapiro to bring a different mentality to the team, where we didn't give up value in trades. This may well be an anomaly, but I don't like pulling the trigger on this deal right now. We aren't desperate for a reliever with closer experience and there are other options available.

 

We're trading away a likely 2 WAR outfielder for a reliever that has exceeded 1 WAR only once in 6 full seasons and makes up to 2 million more. Does Storen really have that much value at 9 mil? Traditional $/WAR calculations say he probably has negative value, though I understand relievers are starting to be valued differently by GM's.

[BTS]

While the fit is obvious, I don't like this deal from a value perspective. I expected Shapiro to bring a different mentality to the team, where we didn't give up value in trades. This may well be an anomaly, but I don't like pulling the trigger on this deal right now. We aren't desperate for a reliever with closer experience and there are other options available.

 

We're trading away a likely 2 WAR outfielder for a reliever that has exceeded 1 WAR only once in 6 full seasons and makes up to 2 million more. Does Storen really have that much value at 9 mil? Traditional $/WAR calculations say he probably has negative value, though I understand relievers are starting to be valued differently by GM's.

 

Value in a vacuum is probably a wash. One year left for each, equal salary, both will project to be worth the same +/- a few runs.

[glory]

I think it's likely a wash as well, with a slight edge to Revere in terms of overall value, but it's not a huge difference.

 

The real key is what happens in LF. Saunders can make this whole thing moot if he's back to his pre-injury days. More likely, Pompey will be getting the bulk of time, and while that has upside, it's not the safest approach to take in an "all in" season.

[Inklink]

Good luck Reverend. Nice guy, going to miss his indiscernible interviews. I don't know how good he actually was in LF, but looked fking elite because he wasn't Colabello.

[Inklink]

[TheHurl]

Value in a vacuum is probably a wash. One year left for each, equal salary, both will project to be worth the same +/- a few runs.

 

Revere has 2 years left he was a Super 2.

[Grant77]

Value in a vacuum is probably a wash. One year left for each, equal salary, both will project to be worth the same +/- a few runs.

 

Revere has had a very stable career, so it really comes down to how you weigh WAR vs WPA for relievers. I'm of the opinion that relievers are currently being overvalued (see Madson, Kimbrel deals), but that can be debated. Also, the projected 2.1 million difference in salaries has some significance. We could have possibly gotten a Joe Blanton type for those dollars.

[BTS]

Revere has had a very stable career, so it really comes down to how you weigh WAR vs WPA for relievers. I'm of the opinion that relievers are currently being overvalued (see Madson, Kimbrel deals), but that can be debated. Also, the projected 2.1 million difference in salaries has some significance. We could have possibly gotten a Joe Blanton type for those dollars.

 

Washington is covering the difference in salary.

[SAAviour]

Wow this trade actually happened. We just discussed this today in another thread.

 

That's right, who posted that comment....

 

Good trade for both teams, fairly even. Helps our team be better balanced and again no prospects lost, it's a new era around here that's for sure.

[Abomination]

Revere has had a very stable career, so it really comes down to how you weigh WAR vs WPA for relievers. I'm of the opinion that relievers are currently being overvalued (see Madson, Kimbrel deals), but that can be debated. Also, the projected 2.1 million difference in salaries has some significance. We could have possibly gotten a Joe Blanton type for those dollars.

 

Apparently we're getting cash in the deal equal to the salary difference.

[BeastMode]

Jeff Blair ‏@SNJeffBlair 4m4 minutes ago

Not sure the lads are done. Scout tells me Dickey in play.

 

We should never quote SN people simply because they never break anything major.

 

I hate when they say " player x, y z is available" but can never break trades 1st.

[Dr. Dinger]

This really makes me wonder if we might be in on a FA OF. Upton could be approaching good value.