Blue Jays sign J.A. Happ 3-years $36M

[Chappy]

Revere for McAllister please.

 

Jon Harris will pitch for the Jays next year, book it

 

 

 

Not.

[gbill2004]

Revere for McAllister please.

 

Jon Harris will pitch for the Jays next year, book it

Who starts in LF then? Not Colabello!!!

[xposbrad]

This move is fine. Happ was really good in Pittsburgh and if he can retain some of that we'll be in good shape. Shapiro coming in basically as advertised, adding cheap short term depth to the biggest area of weakness. Doesn't move the needle much, but acts as a decent insurance policy against the dog s*** AAAA starters we've become accustomed to seeing as Jays fans when inevitable injuries occur.

 

How was he in Seattle?

[Angrioter]

Who starts in LF then? Not Colabello!!!

Pompey and Saunders

[RealAccountant]

Pompey and Saunders

 

Who's Saunders

[DerangedIdoit]

@ShiDavidi: With JA Happ, #BlueJays now at roughly $130m for 2016 if they tender all 10 arb-eligible players. Factor in 0-3 guys and not much $ left.

 

Thats actually a pleasent surprise. I had the payroll marked at $135m after this signing.

[Governator]

Guys, the offense is so good, we don't really need aces. We just need guys who can keep the Jays in the game. Give up four runs in seven innings, and that's good enough.

Hutchison was our worst starter last year, and the Jays went 18-10 in his starts.

 

lol, I hope you're trolling because a 5.14 ERA from your starting rotation is not good enough for any line up.

[DerangedIdoit]

At the beginning of last year, if someone would have said we'd have Estrada/Happ on the team with 70m worth of contracts, you would said they were on crack. You would have then checked them into a very expensive rehab. Well that crack dream is now a reality.

 

60m

[rydermike]

Thats actually a pleasent surprise. I had the payroll marked at $135m after this signing.

 

It's 130 before adding in the minimum salary guys, so it's likely around the 135 you have

[jaysfan2014]

How was he in Seattle?

 

Hurt by Seattle's horrid OF defense for one thing..

[Krylian]

So the rotation looks complete.

 

Stroman

Happ

Estrada

Dickey

Chavez

 

I like how they were able to address it. Two short-term signings, no picks lost, and a reliever traded. Shapiro's influence.

 

That's an ugly rotation. If that's what we're go into 2016 with I'm not anticipating a playoff appearance.

[Followthelight]

That's an ugly rotation. If that's what we're go into 2016 with I'm not anticipating a playoff appearance.

 

Nope, and it's sad because this team with the right moves would be WS favourites, instead we got a budget rotation.

[Followthelight]

Guys, the offense is so good, we don't really need aces. We just need guys who can keep the Jays in the game. Give up four runs in seven innings, and that's good enough.

Hutchison was our worst starter last year, and the Jays went 18-10 in his starts.

 

Worked well in the playoffs.

[Followthelight]

The Jays won 93 games in 2015 when they had 143 starts made by Dickey, Buehrle, Estrada, Sanchez, Hutchison, Norris, Doubront, Copeland, Redmond, and Boyd.

 

Need 5 aces to win, guyz.

Didn;t really start winning until price arrived......

[jayswin11]

Really to start the season last year it was probably worse.

 

Hutch -Stroman

Buehrle - Estrada

Dickey -Dickey

Sanchez -Happ

Norris -Chavez

[Followthelight]

This is a steady half measure type acquisition that I am exceedingly familiar with over the past 25 years watching the jays. Happ will be there and will pitch okay, as Chavez will. The Jays will fit right into their usual 80 win +/- 5 season that we have all become accustomed to.

 

Yay mediocrity.

 

Ever watch breaking bad? Look what happens when you use Half Measures.

[DerangedIdoit]

Cue the follow up Chris Young signing. If he would have us of course.

[Jimcanuck]

Really to start the season last year it was probably worse.

 

Hutch -Stroman

Buehrle - Estrada

Dickey -Dickey

Sanchez -Happ

Norris -Chavez

 

Maybe, but the farm had to be emptied to make the playoffs. Not a good approach. Right now, can improve the rotation with money alone.

[Key22]

Guys, the offense is so good, we don't really need aces. We just need guys who can keep the Jays in the game. Give up four runs in seven innings, and that's good enough.

Hutchison was our worst starter last year, and the Jays went 18-10 in his starts.

 

I tend to agree - all you need is guys who throw close to quality starts - 6ip with 3 runs (4.50 ERA) allowed and if they do that with a decent pen then they're going to likely win the division.

 

Where the crack lies in the playoffs - but then you just don't know - Estrada was FAR AND AWAY the best starter we had in the playoffs and he was basically Chavez when we got him. David Price the shut down ace was a leaking gas can in the playoffs.

 

KC won with a pretty mediocre starting rotation. I think they ranked something like 11th in the AL which is hardly great.

 

Still conventional wisdom is that for the playoffs you want to have two ace caliber pitchers 1-2 with a solid middle rotation arm and you ride a three man rotation. Stroman will be on an innings limit.

 

Pitching beats hitting in a short series because you tend to play the best teams - which tend to have the bet pitchers and you're not facing their scrubs. Stroman and Estrada you kind of feel good about in a playoff series - but then what?

 

The payroll was said to be 140million+ = all depends on what the plus is. Is the plus another $20million or is it $5k. The Jays have some depth - they could trade some pieces for a pitcher. Notions like Pillar for Seattle's Walker or Cleveland's Carasco have been floated.

 

Or maybe you do some blockbuster with the Reds involving Raisel Iglesias, Chapman, and Votto.

 

I think the Jays will trade some salary to fill a weakness.

[Olerud363]

Worked well in the playoffs.

 

Out of the 8 playoff teams (10 if you include wild card) Jays were 3rd...

 

Lost every game started by "the ace"

 

Ace - 0-3

Stroman 2-1

Estrado 2-1

Dickey 1-1

 

We have (likely) lost "the ace", but the pitchers retunring went 5-3 in the playoffs (in the games they started, didn't always get decision). Jays went 5-6 in the playoffs -- that is not bad. Texas went 2-3, St. Louise 1-3... Chicago 4-5...

 

Jays were 3/8 in terms of playoff teams. Jays good in playofffs, other than "Ace" David Price.

[Brownie19]

Maybe, but the farm had to be emptied to make the playoffs. Not a good approach. Right now, can improve the rotation with money alone.

 

You can also handcuff the franchise for years with that money...

[Brownie19]

Worked well in the playoffs.

 

So did David Price

[Olerud363]

I tend to agree - all you need is guys who throw close to quality starts - 6ip with 3 runs (4.50 ERA) allowed and if they do that with a decent pen then they're going to likely win the division.

 

Where the crack lies in the playoffs - but then you just don't know - Estrada was FAR AND AWAY the best starter we had in the playoffs and he was basically Chavez when we got him. David Price the shut down ace was a leaking gas can in the playoffs.

 

KC won with a pretty mediocre starting rotation. I think they ranked something like 11th in the AL which is hardly great.

 

Still conventional wisdom is that for the playoffs you want to have two ace caliber pitchers 1-2 with a solid middle rotation arm and you ride a three man rotation. Stroman will be on an innings limit.

 

Pitching beats hitting in a short series because you tend to play the best teams - which tend to have the bet pitchers and you're not facing their scrubs. Stroman and Estrada you kind of feel good about in a playoff series - but then what?

 

The payroll was said to be 140million+ = all depends on what the plus is. Is the plus another $20million or is it $5k. The Jays have some depth - they could trade some pieces for a pitcher. Notions like Pillar for Seattle's Walker or Cleveland's Carasco have been floated.

 

Or maybe you do some blockbuster with the Reds involving Raisel Iglesias, Chapman, and Votto.

 

I think the Jays will trade some salary to fill a weakness.

 

I think conventional wisdom is a load of s***. Playoff teams are good teams, they tend to have good pitching... but the teams with the very best pitching doesn't win any more then you would expect.

 

The best way to win a world series is to build a team good enough to make the playoffs 5/7 years... good luck will hit one year or two... that is what happened 85-93.

 

I know I sound like a broken record...

[nextyear]

I tend to agree - all you need is guys who throw close to quality starts - 6ip with 3 runs (4.50 ERA) allowed and if they do that with a decent pen then they're going to likely win the division.

 

Where the crack lies in the playoffs - but then you just don't know - Estrada was FAR AND AWAY the best starter we had in the playoffs and he was basically Chavez when we got him. David Price the shut down ace was a leaking gas can in the playoffs.

 

KC won with a pretty mediocre starting rotation. I think they ranked something like 11th in the AL which is hardly great.

 

Still conventional wisdom is that for the playoffs you want to have two ace caliber pitchers 1-2 with a solid middle rotation arm and you ride a three man rotation. Stroman will be on an innings limit.

 

Pitching beats hitting in a short series because you tend to play the best teams - which tend to have the bet pitchers and you're not facing their scrubs. Stroman and Estrada you kind of feel good about in a playoff series - but then what?

 

The payroll was said to be 140million+ = all depends on what the plus is. Is the plus another $20million or is it $5k. The Jays have some depth - they could trade some pieces for a pitcher. Notions like Pillar for Seattle's Walker or Cleveland's Carasco have been floated.

 

Or maybe you do some blockbuster with the Reds involving Raisel Iglesias, Chapman, and Votto.

 

I think the Jays will trade some salary to fill a weakness.

 

 

This seems to be a misconception, unless it only refers to starting pitching and excludes relief pitchers (?). As a team, Kansas City was 3rd best in the AL in runs allowed (RA). The best was Houston with 618 runs allowed (RA) in 162 games, Cleveland was 640 RA in 161 games (3.98 runs/game) and Kansas City allowed 641 runs in 162 games (3.96 runs/game): so in terms of RA per game, Kansas City was 2nd best in the American League - http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/index.jsp#20151004 .

[nextyear]

I think conventional wisdom is a load of s***. Playoff teams are good teams, they tend to have good pitching... but the teams with the very best pitching doesn't win any more then you would expect.

 

The best way to win a world series is to build a team good enough to make the playoffs 5/7 years... good luck will hit one year or two... that is what happened 85-93.

 

I know I sound like a broken record...

 

Are you saying that if a team is good enough to make the playoffs, that who wins is a coins toss (good/bad luck)? This happens, the best team doesn't always win the World Series because of bad luck, but it seems that the best team wins more often than not.

 

However, the best team isn't always the one with the best pitching/defense since sometimes the best team is the best balanced team, which is a combination of defense and offense.

[puphood]

JA Happ Pit stats:

63.1 IP

7-2

1.85 ERA / 209 ERA+ / 2.19 FIP

9.8 K/9

1.8 BB/9

 

That's studly. Lets hope he can carry some of that over. I really wouldn't mind freeing up some salary and moving Dickey and Revere now and re-invest in the starting rotation. Could probably get a couple bullpen arms for those two, and have an additional $14M or so available.

 

Using states when they suit you is what a agent does....62 inning pitched! They finally sent Saunders home and you and this forum want to move Revere? I guess no one remembers 2015 early season hopefuls in right field, I can't count them all. He's a leadoff hitter that makes good contact. I guess the next thing I will hear again and again is put Pompey in right. ....the only thing that makes sence is move Dickey and Thole....

[nextyear]

Using states when they suit you is what a agent does....62 inning pitched! They finally sent Saunders home and you and this forum want to move Revere? I guess no one remembers 2015 early season hopefuls in right field, I can't count them all. He's a leadoff hitter that makes good contact. I guess the next thing I will hear again and again is put Pompey in right. ....the only thing that makes sence is move Dickey and Thole....

 

I think you mean left field. Bautista is in right field.

[Smokingjays1111]

This is Honestly Terrible terrible news why the hell is Shapiro doing this , Do you all not remember J..A Happ we gave the guy an escort to the airport to get him out of town quicker , LIKE FACK does this board blow my mind 11 games 0f 1.80 ball with one of the best teams in ball pffff off its. disaster , AA would never make this s*** move

[vilifyingforce]

This seems to be a misconception, unless it only refers to starting pitching and excludes relief pitchers (?).

 

He does say 'a pretty mediocre starting rotation'. Probably safe to assume he meant only the starting rotation.

[puphood]

yeah