Alex Anthopoulos Departing

[Boxcar]

In any case, no one is arguing against getting rid of MLB scouts altogether. The argument is merely that they are not important.

 

From the way you framed that, seems like it might not be a bad idea. I'd waste zero resources on pro scouts if I ran a team.

[Boxcar]

They still have purpose. Seeing instinctual plays, seeing if the player is hurt, seeing if a player has improved a pitch. Players are always evolving and you need some eyes with the data to see that. Some of you guys might not believe that having good players around you make you better, I do. Seeing a Russell Martin and Josh Donaldson put on a pickoff play in the right situation is something the advanced stats don't see right now.

 

I think they get their due as being regarded as near GG defenders...everyone acknowledges that both players are great with the glove.

 

You know who gets defense wrong quite often? Scouts. What can possibly be learned from 1 or 2 days of scouting? What if the Angels scouted Andrelton Simmons during that one game he made 3 errors?

[Krylian]

The legacy of AA...Perry Minnisian!

http://jaysjournal.com/2015/11/22/toronto-blue-jays-scouting-department-alex-anthopoulos-legacy-mlb-news/

 

Time to cut that 21 person major league scouting team (which in 2012 they actually stated they moved much of the amateur resources to as well) down to about 3.

 

Why do we want less jobs in this economy?

[AdamGreenwood]

Just a one day ban for ignoring my warning about making innapropriate jokes about domestic abuse.

 

Comparing bad trades to rape, is still OK though, right?

[Boxcar]

Comparing bad trades to rape, is still OK though, right?

 

Yes

[BTS]

Comparing bad trades to rape, is still OK though, right?

 

Is it really worse than 'wow, Amaro got destroyed in that deal'?

 

destruction = murder < rape

[KingKat]

Comparing bad trades to rape, is still OK though, right?

 

No it's not but that's not the point. If at some point, a mod asks people not to make such comparisons and fair warning is given and ignored, there will be repercusions. Until then, it's assumed o.k. because we've let it slide for so long. We don't have clear guidelines or consistent rules so it's pointless to even have that expectation. Each mod is different and is on a different schedule so it's always going to be a bit anarchic and trying to untangle precedents is largely pointless. All the mods no matter their approach are just trying to keep things running smoothly and making highly fallible judgement calls in the process. That doesn't always work out but everyone's intent is largely the same. No one is 100% consistent with themselves much less other mods but no one is out to get anyone. I think most mods just want you to please comply when asked not to do something (even if you don't agree with it). In this case, maybe I was right to give out a warning maybe I was wrong. FWIW, I think I was right but I also think it's highly subjective and not really worth debating. I put out a warning. It was ignored. I had to make good on my warning.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think advance scouting is still very important. I mean the Royals figured out Price was tipping his changeup because their scouts picked up on his breathing patterns. Something that small can make a massive difference in a series. I would guess most teams have video coordinators that watch film of the opposing team before each series as well to look for any baserunning patterns etc..

 

Now I think the major league scouts that scout players for FA and trades is a waste of time. There is enough data and video available that watching a player in person won't change the player's value.

[Cyborg]

I think advance scouting is still very important. I mean the Royals figured out Price was tipping his changeup because their scouts picked up on his breathing patterns. Something that small can make a massive difference in a series. I would guess most teams have video coordinators that watch film of the opposing team before each series as well to look for any baserunning patterns etc..

 

Now I think the major league scouts that scout players for FA and trades is a waste of time. There is enough data and video available that watching a player in person won't change the player's value.

Pro scouts are not the same as advance scouts. Different department.

[burlingtonbandit]

Pro scouts are not the same as advance scouts. Different department.

 

I know.

[Orgfiller]

I think advance scouting is still very important. I mean the Royals figured out Price was tipping his changeup because their scouts picked up on his breathing patterns. Something that small can make a massive difference in a series. I would guess most teams have video coordinators that watch film of the opposing team before each series as well to look for any baserunning patterns etc..

 

Now I think the major league scouts that scout players for FA and trades is a waste of time. There is enough data and video available that watching a player in person won't change the player's value.

 

Do you know just how ridiculous this sounds? Even if this was true, how would the players even notice this? It's not like Price was having an asthma attack every time he was about to throw a changeup.

[burlingtonbandit]

Do you know just how ridiculous this sounds? Even if this was true, how would the players even notice this? It's not like Price was having an asthma attack every time he was about to throw a changeup.

 

It sounds stupid but it apparently is true. Obviously its just just about deep breaths or w.e as there were other factors.

 

http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/10/24/royals-blue-jays-alcs-clinch-pennant

[GD]

I could actually see that being a thing.

[KevinGregg]

It sounds stupid but it apparently is true. Obviously its just just about deep breaths or w.e as there were other factors.

 

http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/10/24/royals-blue-jays-alcs-clinch-pennant

 

re-living that was painful..

[KingKat]

Pitching from the stretch when he threw a changeup, Price would take an extra deep breath, one where you could see his shoulders shrug, and he would hold his set a beat longer.

 

 

Price does this all the time. We've all seen that shoulder shrug deep breath thing. I'm really surprised that there's a pattern to it.

[Followthelight]

Meh, we can do better then AA. Crappy thing is we are stuck with horrible gibbons.

[Nafro]

Do you know just how ridiculous this sounds? Even if this was true, how would the players even notice this? It's not like Price was having an asthma attack every time he was about to throw a changeup.

 

What I read was that the advance scout noticed that David Price had a pattern of throwing a change up in certain situations. He seemed to always follow a foul ball on a fastball, that the batter had a very good swing on (straight back/just missed it); with a change up.

 

That being said we used to face a pitcher who had a filthy change up, that made us look foolish. We eventually were able "pick" when it was coming because the pitcher grunted louder. It happens.

[TheHurl]

What I read was that the advance scout noticed that David Price had a pattern of throwing a change up in certain situations. He seemed to always follow a foul ball on a fastball, that the batter had a very good swing on (straight back/just missed it); with a change up.

 

That being said we used to face a pitcher who had a filthy change up, that made us look foolish. We eventually were able "pick" when it was coming because the pitcher grunted louder. It happens.

 

I worked really hard on discovering tells in poker...and could find them when I wasn't in a hand. But once I was in a hand I almost never was able to catch someone. I can't imagine how I'd be while trying to figure out a tell at the plate. Not saying it can't be done...just not by me.

[Nafro]

I worked really hard on discovering tells in poker...and could find them when I wasn't in a hand. But once I was in a hand I almost never was able to catch someone. I can't imagine how I'd be while trying to figure out a tell at the plate. Not saying it can't be done...just not by me.

 

I would say I agree with you. That's why I think it's more likely that they discovered a "pitching pattern" more than tipping pitches. When I played we had a third base coach that was a former pitcher. He was uncanny at picking pitches (the vantage point makes it easier as well). When a change up was coming he would just use our full name instead of the "nickname" he normally used when cheering us on. I would say picking pitches is more likely to come from coaches, the bench or baserunners. I also had team-mates who didn't want to be told, they preferred to just "see pitch, react to pitch".

[Angrioter]

GrandesenlosDeportes

NOTICIA: Los Azulejos de Toronto entrevistaron a René Francisco para el puesto de gerente general del equipo grande.

 

 

‏@Ken_Rosenthal

Sources; #Royals assistant GM of major-league and international operations Rene Francisco interviewed for #BlueJays GM job.

[KingKat]

GrandesenlosDeportes

NOTICIA: Los Azulejos de Toronto entrevistaron a René Francisco para el puesto de gerente general del equipo grande.

 

 

‏@Ken_Rosenthal

Sources; #Royals assistant GM of major-league and international operations Rene Francisco interviewed for #BlueJays GM job.

 

Interesting... I kind of figure this off-season would be Lacava and a new person would only be brought in down the line. This is the first I've heard of interviews.

[KingKat]

GrandesenlosDeportes

NOTICIA: Los Azulejos de Toronto entrevistaron a René Francisco para el puesto de gerente general del equipo grande.

 

 

‏@Ken_Rosenthal

Sources; #Royals assistant GM of major-league and international operations Rene Francisco interviewed for #BlueJays GM job.

 

http://www.thescore.com/news/894357

[BTS]

Interesting. Pretty unimpressive resume though.

[TheHurl]

Interesting. Pretty unimpressive resume though.

 

Sal Perez man

[Angrioter]

I know Rene Francisco very well.

 

WIN and RBI's guy

[flafson]

Interesting... I kind of figure this off-season would be Lacava and a new person would only be brought in down the line. This is the first I've heard of interviews.

 

Not sure how LaCava or anyone in his position can be ok with something like that, unless he gets paid through the nose, in which case it doesn't really matter.

[KingKat]

Not sure how LaCava or anyone in his position can be ok with something like that, unless he gets paid through the nose, in which case it doesn't really matter.

 

I'm sure Lacava and Shapiro have talked things through. My sense is that long term, Lacava prefers a more low profile role.

[metafour]

Not sure how LaCava or anyone in his position can be ok with something like that, unless he gets paid through the nose, in which case it doesn't really matter.

 

LaCava doesn't even want to be the GM, it is so obvious. He's clearly happy being behind the scenes in the "Assistant GM" role.

 

For Shapiro, there really isn't any benefit to waiting a year before finding a GM. Its obviously in his best interest to start reshaping his front office ASAP.

[Jonzo]

LaCava doesn't even want to be the GM, it is so obvious. He's clearly happy being behind the scenes in the "Assistant GM" role.

 

Is that why he's interviewed for previous GM roles?

[Grant77]

Is that why he's interviewed for previous GM roles?

 

He was offered the Orioles GM job and rejected it.