Offseason Roster Thread

[BTS]

what a stupid question. thanks for the great discussion.

 

I ask because arb disagreements over a few hundred grand happen all the time. This is a complete non-issue being made into one by the terrible Toronto media.

[glory]

I would rather hear from Price's agent that we at least talked to him and made some "reasonable" offer. Even if it was only 150M, at least you tried.

 

What if he made an insulting offer and Price's agent made that public, too? Not saying he would have but my point is who cares what the agent says?

 

If the Jays had no chance to sign him (and if they weren't going to go above $200m, they had no chance), then I just don't see what benefit there would have been to pretending there was a chance. Shapiro could have been more optic friendly with his approach this winter but this scenario had no real benefit to the Jays. Estrada, Happ, and Chavez combined make less than Price and the Jays still lack depth. It was never going to happen.

[Boxcar]

I would rather hear from Price's agent that we at least talked to him and made some "reasonable" offer. Even if it was only 150M, at least you tried.

 

Jeeze, dumb fans get butthurt over the strangest things. I personally couldn't give half a f*** that Shapiro didn't try to throw a ******** offer to a player who would get a contract he likely wouldn't be worth, handcuffing team payroll for 6-7 years.

 

Just me though! Showing willingness to throw money around recklessly makes front offices look smarter, I guess.

[JFD]

I ask because arb disagreements over a few hundred grand happen all the time. This is a complete non-issue being made into one by the terrible Toronto media.

 

With players that just put up MVP numbers? I'd like to see some proof of this. I'd feel a bit better if this was true.

[flafson]

Jeeze, dumb fans get butthurt over the strangest things. I personally couldn't give half a f*** that Shapiro didn't try to throw a ******** offer to a player who would get a contract he likely wouldn't be worth, handcuffing team payroll for 6-7 years.

 

Just me though! Showing willingness to throw money around recklessly makes front offices look smarter, I guess.

 

The point is, just because you believe that it would take 200M doesn't mean that it actually would. Unless you test the waters you don't know.

If we would have thrown 150M to his agent, he likely would have said it's not enough which is fine.

But then when Red Sox came with a 200M+ his agent would at least call the Blue Jays and tell them we have this much money on the table, are you in the same ball park? And we may have said we can do 160M but that's it, then it would have been up to Price to decide what to do.

 

Again, just because 8 out of 10 is about money, doesn't mean that the other 2 out of 10 wouldn't give you any kind of discount if you can convince them that this is where they suppose to be regardless of money. Chances are it wouldn't work but you just don't know cause you didn't try.

Same thing with Donaldson, you don't know he's available unless you try, that's why AA got him and none else did.

[BTS]

With players that just put up MVP numbers? I'd like to see some proof of this. I'd feel a bit better if this was true.

 

The Angels told pre-arb Mike Trout to get f***ed when he wanted them to increase his pre-arb salary by less than 100K over the minimum. He ended up signing a 6-year deal.

 

I'm not sure why you'd want the team to have a reputation for caving to their players in arb situations. If they'll go to arb with Josh Donaldson over 500K, they're probably not bluffing when they tell the Saunders and Cecil's of the world their numbers. It's a good reputation to have.

 

And there's also a second party here that's willing to go to arb over 500K: Josh Donaldson's agent. For all we know the team was willing to meet halfway and the Donaldson camp drew a line in the sand. This isn't all on the team.

[BTS]

The point is, just because you believe that it would take 200M doesn't mean that it actually would. Unless you test the waters you don't know.

If we would have thrown 150M to his agent, he likely would have said it's not enough which is fine.

But then when Red Sox came with a 200M+ his agent would at least call the Blue Jays and tell them we have this much money on the table, are you in the same ball park? And we may have said we can do 160M but that's it, then it would have been up to Price to decide what to do.

 

Again, just because 8 out of 10 is about money, doesn't mean that the other 2 out of 10 wouldn't give you any kind of discount if you can convince them that this is where they suppose to be regardless of money. Chances are it wouldn't work but you just don't know cause you didn't try.

Same thing with Donaldson, you don't know he's available unless you try, that's why AA got him and none else did.

 

Everybody in baseball knew David Price was going to sign for more than 7/210. He knew, his agent knew, the team, (most) fans, the American media etc... David Price was never signing for less than 7/210. The team knew that, given their current context, they weren't interested in him at that rate, or likely anywhere close to it. And so they did what any group of busy people tends to do: they focused their time and energy on things that were productive rather than wasting them on a player that was never coming back.

 

This happens all the time. It happened when Pujols left St. Louis, and their fans were whining in a similar way to the way Toronto's fans are whining now. And then it became obvious that the team made the right decision, and the whining stopped.

[JFD]

The Angels told pre-arb Mike Trout to get f***ed when he wanted them to increase his pre-arb salary by less than 100K over the minimum. He ended up signing a 6-year deal.

 

I'm not sure why you'd want the team to have a reputation for caving to their players in arb situations. If they'll go to arb with Josh Donaldson over 500K, they're probably not bluffing when they tell the Saunders and Cecil's of the world their numbers. It's a good reputation to have.

 

And there's also a second party here that's willing to go to arb over 500K: Josh Donaldson's agent. For all we know the team was willing to meet halfway and the Donaldson camp drew a line in the sand. This isn't all on the team.

 

that was after his rookie season. they doubled Trout's contract the next year after he proved it wasn't a fluke making him the highest paid pre-arb player ever.

 

Donaldson has been great for 3 seasons.

 

I don't see it as caving when it's under 500k. it's called rewarding your star player and making him happy and wanted.

[BTS]

that was after his rookie season. they doubled Trout's contract the next year after he proved it wasn't a fluke making him the highest paid pre-arb player ever.

 

Donaldson has been great for 3 seasons.

 

I don't see it as caving when it's under 500k. it's called rewarding your star player and making him happy and wanted.

 

The team has offered Donaldson the biggest 2nd year arb raise in MLB history. Donaldson wants to exceed the record by 450K. He's probably going to lose his hearing. You don't get to fill out a blank check after winning an MVP award.

[Boxcar]

The point is, just because you believe that it would take 200M doesn't mean that it actually would. Unless you test the waters you don't know.

If we would have thrown 150M to his agent, he likely would have said it's not enough which is fine.

But then when Red Sox came with a 200M+ his agent would at least call the Blue Jays and tell them we have this much money on the table, are you in the same ball park? And we may have said we can do 160M but that's it, then it would have been up to Price to decide what to do.

 

Again, just because 8 out of 10 is about money, doesn't mean that the other 2 out of 10 wouldn't give you any kind of discount if you can convince them that this is where they suppose to be regardless of money. Chances are it wouldn't work but you just don't know cause you didn't try.

Same thing with Donaldson, you don't know he's available unless you try, that's why AA got him and none else did.

 

Well, this logic is exceedingly stupid but have fun buying into it.

[baseballsss]

Everybody in baseball knew David Price was going to sign for more than 7/210. He knew, his agent knew, the team, (most) fans, the American media etc... David Price was never signing for less than 7/210. The team knew that, given their current context, they weren't interested in him at that rate, or likely anywhere close to it. And so they did what any group of busy people tends to do: they focused their time and energy on things that were productive rather than wasting them on a player that was never coming back.

 

This happens all the time. It happened when Pujols left St. Louis, and their fans were whining in a similar way to the way Toronto's fans are whining now. And then it became obvious that the team made the right decision, and the whining stopped.

 

While I am not with the camp that says that we should have offered him some sort of deal, as I really could careless but if the Cubs took the route of not inquiring on Heyward they would be without arguably the most valuable FA this offseason. He had multiple deals for over 200 mil.

[BTS]

While I am not with the camp that says that we should have offered him some sort of deal, as I really could careless but if the Cubs took the route of not inquiring on Heyward they would be without arguably the most valuable FA this offseason. He had multiple deals for over 200 mil.

 

I don't believe that Heyward left anything on the table after considering the value of the opt outs.

[Terminator]

The team has offered Donaldson the biggest 2nd year arb raise in MLB history. Donaldson wants to exceed the record by 450K. He's probably going to lose his hearing. You don't get to fill out a blank check after winning an MVP award.

 

Half a million isn't completely inconsequential when you are running up against the budget limit either. That basically turns in to another 1 million of possible salary you can add at the trade deadline.

[BTS]

Half a million isn't completely inconsequential when you are running up against the budget limit either. That basically turns in to another 1 million of possible salary you can add at the trade deadline.

 

And it compounds. Had they caved last year because 'he's a star, and we need to show him how good an org we are' or some such BS, he would have earned 1.5M extra last year, and then this year, and next year, and the year after. Winning that 1.5M arb case was actually a ~6M win if he goes year to year. Even this 500K is actually 1.5M over three years.

[JFD]

And it compounds. Had they caved last year because 'he's a star, and we need to show him how good an org we are' or some such BS, he would have earned 1.5M extra last year, and then this year, and next year, and the year after. Winning that 1.5M arb case was actually a ~6M win if he goes year to year. Even this 500K is actually 1.5M over three years.

 

well it was his first season as a Blue Jay so it makes sense to take him to arb. after winning the MVP as a Blue Jay it's just getting silly. at some point you gotta show your star players some love.. or say goodbye.

[BTS]

well it was his first season as a Blue Jay so it makes sense to take him to arb. after winning the MVP as a Blue Jay it's just getting silly. at some point you gotta show your star players some love.. or say goodbye.

 

The biggest arb-2 raise ever isn't showing love?

[Jimcanuck]

well it was his first season as a Blue Jay so it makes sense to take him to arb. after winning the MVP as a Blue Jay it's just getting silly. at some point you gotta show your star players some love.. or say goodbye.

 

Its a business. A business that makes decisions on emotion or love for their employees will not last long.

[Candy Maldonado]

[Orgfiller]

 

Is this for real?

[z3r0s]

If I was in Donaldson's position, I defs wouldn't GAF about people who laugh at me for doing s*** like this. If he's into it (he obviously like cos-play type stuff), when are you going to get another opportunity like that?

[vdubmvp]

 

He looks like he's gained weight.

[Orgfiller]

If I was in Donaldson's position, I defs wouldn't GAF about people who laugh at me for doing s*** like this. If he's into it (he obviously like cos-play type stuff), when are you going to get another opportunity like that?

Laugh at him? The Vikings cast are all badasses, that just makes him more likeable for me.

[z3r0s]

not calling you out specifically, just saying he's probably going to catch some flack for it, and he shouldn't care.

[TBJ12]

Is this for real?

 

I'd like to know the same.

[TBJ12]

Is this for real?

 

Google saved the day again. Looks like it's for real http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-mvp-josh-donaldson-to-cameo-on-vikings/

[Grant77]

If I was in Donaldson's position, I defs wouldn't GAF about people who laugh at me for doing s*** like this. If he's into it (he obviously like cos-play type stuff), when are you going to get another opportunity like that?

 

He could also be a history buff. I dressed up for War of 1812 reenactments, but I'd never take part in cosplay in any other context.

[KingKat]

He could also be a history buff. I dressed up for War of 1812 reenactments, but I'd never take part in cosplay in any other context.

 

No, he's an actual un-closeted cosplayer. He dressed up as Thor for his birthday.

 

http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/2015/12/8/screenshot2015-12-08at10.32.25pm_80811.png

[Boxcar]

Google saved the day again. Looks like it's for real http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-mvp-josh-donaldson-to-cameo-on-vikings/

 

MrBaBy420 Rank 392

This guy should focus on conditioning and training for the upcoming season.

 

holy s*** fans are retarded.

[JFD]

MrBaBy420 Rank 392

This guy should focus on conditioning and training for the upcoming season.

 

holy s*** fans are retarded.

 

if the Jays weren't f***ing him around he wouldn't have to look for a second job. A man's gotta eat.

[Spanky__99]

*sighs* DIAFF!