Offseason Roster Thread

[THANOS]

It's not even overvaluing Sanchez. 5 years is a lot of control. If you view any upside out of Sanchez he's probably one of the better prospects you'd get for a guy with one year left.

 

I guess it depends on how other gms would value Sanchez. I think any high end value could only be had as a starter if he gets completely re-tooled with better secondary pitches, but we'll see if that happens.

 

Forgot to mention this: If you're coming up with hypothetical trade proposals, try to make it hurt a little.

 

Fair enough, I'll keep that in mind, thanks.

 

Here's a proposal then, would Bautista/Pillar/Greene be enough to land Carrasco?

[dineke]

Here's a proposal then, would Bautista/Pillar/Greene be enough to land Carrasco?

 

Anything is possible as long as you use your imagination.

[Chappy]

Be aggressive on Lackey. Could be the best target this team needs both based on cost and return. There will be plenty of lesser options available to sort out the fifth spot.

[Terminator]

Be aggressive on Lackey. Could be the best target this team needs both based on cost and return. There will be plenty of lesser options available to sort out the fifth spot.

 

I like that plan.

[Chappy]

I like that plan.

 

He was my main offseason target. I'm assuming he will draw a lot of interest however so it won't be easy. On a 3 year deal he could stabilize this rotation and allow time for some of our other internal options to mature.

[Laika]

Be aggressive on Lackey. Could be the best target this team needs both based on cost and return. There will be plenty of lesser options available to sort out the fifth spot.

 

Lackey or Kuma

 

Makes sense to be aggressive on one of the good old guys. They won't command lengthy contracts but they are... well, good.

[Chappy]

Lackey or Kuma

 

Makes sense to be aggressive on one of the good old guys. They won't command lengthy contracts but they are... well, good.

 

Yes I agree. Kuma was next on my list. Both will be tough signs however. We need 1 dependable 2/3 and I'm fine gambling on the 5th SP.

[thatoneguy]

No surprise to anyone, I see a lot of upside to Sanchez. He's going to make asses out of many of you.

 

You go teach him command then.

[Captain Adama]

This offseason is too long already. I want some baseball dammit!

I've been watching the 7th inning against the Rangers on reply too much.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61spAt92APc&ab_channel=CaptainCanada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N76Gz2wFg7Y&ab_channel=BigTMLB

 

side note, I loved Hamels throughout that entire inning. He showed no emotion but you could tell he was dying inside. I loved it even more as a FU to him for rejecting his trades to Toronto so much.

 

We could have been together, we could have had something special Hamels.

 

 

#Despaired

[Jimcanuck]

I'm pretty sure we all see the same upside, we're just more realistic on the chances the upside is realized.

 

True, but he's on the right track. Chances are he will be better in 2016 simply from experience. Jays will work with him to further develop the cutter in ST. Combine that with the experience and he's a serviceable 5th starter, at least.

[GD]

sigh

[L54]

I hope Sanchez is traded so we never have to go another offseason discussing him in the pen vs starting ever again.

[King]

This chart is from a few years ago, so it's old (and a lot of these players are no longer in the org.) , but it's Rule 5 2015 eligibles

 

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1906483/2015_FTE_large.png

 

Dwight Smith is probably the only one likely to be protected

[skicross1]

What are the odds the jays brass go after zimmermann or samardzija or gallardo ?! Wouldnt mind seeing o'day either

[jays4life19]

I really hope we don't go after Gallardo. Barf.

[RealAccountant]

What are the odds the jays brass go after zimmermann or samardzija or gallardo ?! Wouldnt mind seeing o'day either

 

I expect Shapiro to cheapen out and what to see who falls to a one year deal

[Ehjays]

Tulo, Sanchez and Tellez to NYY for Gregorius, Bird and Severino I know NY would say no but thats where I would start. LOL

[Hipfan]

I expect Shapiro to cheapen out and what to see who falls to a one year deal

 

I'm guessing he goes after the 2nd tier FA who don't have a QO attached to them. Load up for the next year or two, while not losing draft picks to help replenish the minors.

[Boxcar]

I really hope we don't go after Gallardo. Barf.

 

No chance. He's yucky, plus his absolutely narsty beard. Ugh, I wanted to throw up every time they put him on camera.

[glory]

I think Shapiro will go after Iwakuma. He's 34 so he won't get a long deal and he projects to be very good in 2016. I don't see Shapiro going after really long deals like Price or Heyward will command.

[THANOS]

I think Shapiro will go after Iwakuma. He's 34 so he won't get a long deal and he projects to be very good in 2016. I don't see Shapiro going after really long deals like Price or Heyward will command.

 

Only if he's not offered a QO, I don't think Shapiro signs anyone who could lose him a pick, unless its someone like Heyward.

[SAAviour]

What are the odds the jays brass go after zimmermann or samardzija or gallardo ?! Wouldnt mind seeing o'day either

 

Not much in life is guaranteed, but O'Day to the Jays is not happening. Unless Bautista gets traded I guess.

[glory]

Only if he's not offered a QO, I don't think Shapiro signs anyone who could lose him a pick, unless its someone like Heyward.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if most of the good 2nd tier SP starters (Kuma, Shark, Kennedy, etc) get qualified by their teams. If the Jays want to seriously improve the 2016 rotation without trading prospects, they may have to bite the bullet and lose a pick for one of those guys.

[THANOS]

Wouldn't be surprised if most of the good 2nd tier SP starters (Kuma, Shark, Kennedy, etc) get qualified by their teams. If the Jays want to seriously improve the 2016 rotation without trading prospects, they may have to bite the bullet and lose a pick for one of those guys.

 

Maybe. I'd try and reach out to Cliff Lee, and then sign Hill. I'm curious if Lackey will be offered one since he's only expected to get a 2-yr deal as FA? Hopefully someone will make a list tomorrow of all the FA's that cause us to lose our pick.

 

Here's a question, would we lose just the Estrada comp pick if we'd QO him, or do we our own 1st Rd pick regardless if we sign a qualified FA?

[Hipfan]

Maybe. I'd try and reach out to Cliff Lee, and then sign Hill. I'm curious if Lackey will be offered one since he's only expected to get a 2-yr deal as FA? Hopefully someone will make a list tomorrow of all the FA's that cause us to lose our pick.

 

Here's a question, would we lose just the Estrada comp pick if we'd QO him, or do we our own 1st Rd pick regardless if we sign a qualified FA?

 

Jays would lose their first round pick if they signed a FA with a QO. If they offer Estrada a QO, and he rejects it, they would gain a pick in between the 1st and 2nd round.

[glory]

Here's a question, would we lose just the Estrada comp pick if we'd QO him, or do we our own 1st Rd pick regardless if we sign a qualified FA?

 

When the Jays signed Martin last winter, they lost their 1st round pick, but gained a comp pick when Melky signed with the White Sox.

 

It will be the same situation here if Estrada declines the QO and the Jays sign a qualified FA.

[Nafro]

This chart is from a few years ago, so it's old (and a lot of these players are no longer in the org.) , but it's Rule 5 2015 eligibles

 

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1906483/2015_FTE_large.png

 

Dwight Smith is probably the only one likely to be protected

 

I disagree. If everyone on this chart has to be added or exposed to the Rule 5, I would argue it would make sense to add at least 3 or 4 (Robson, Dragmire, Guerrero) along with Smith. It appears we have 8 roster spots on the 40. We will likely sign two starters and two relievers. Which would make me think you would use those other four spots. Am I missing something?

[King]

I disagree. If everyone on this chart has to be added or exposed to the Rule 5, I would argue it would make sense to add at least 3 or 4 (Robson, Dragmire, Guerrero) along with Smith. It appears we have 8 roster spots on the 40. We will likely sign two starters and two relievers. Which would make me think you would use those other four spots. Am I missing something?

 

I strongly doubt Robson, Guerrero or Dragmire would get taken.

[Laika]

I disagree. If everyone on this chart has to be added or exposed to the Rule 5, I would argue it would make sense to add at least 3 or 4 (Robson, Dragmire, Guerrero) along with Smith. It appears we have 8 roster spots on the 40. We will likely sign two starters and two relievers. Which would make me think you would use those other four spots. Am I missing something?

 

No team would pick players like that in the MLB portion of the rule 5. If Toronto added guys like that to the 40 then they'd just end up having the waive them anyway, eventually, when they need to be DFAd off of the 40 to make room for useful players who can actually provide some depth. Toronto will fill the 40 with Colt Hynes and Bo Schultz type dudes - not non-factor fringe prospects who aren't even close to MLB ready.

[TheHurl]

zero chance Dragmire is getting picked so even if you believe in him, why burn his first option? Guerrero if everything goes right is a utility guy. If you lose him, you lose him (I don't see them losing him). Robson is 22, has pitched 130 innings in 4 years and they haven't been really good. Again no one is taking him, and no loss if they do. So that leaves Dwight Smith. Gives the team flexibility to add AAA depth. Maybe make a Rule 5 claim ourselves.