Offseason Roster Thread

[King]

I would give a slim outside shot at Jorge Flores getting added to the 40. He probably wouldn't get picked, but I like his chances of added better than Guerrero/Robson/Dragmire.

[burlingtonbandit]

Be aggressive on Lackey. Could be the best target this team needs both based on cost and return. There will be plenty of lesser options available to sort out the fifth spot.

 

Wonder how Shapiro views character and makeup. Lackey has been questioned for his character in the past and doesn't exactly act like the ideal starter on the mound. Criticizing Umps, teammates on errors etc..

[RealAccountant]

When is the deadline in qualification offers

[GoJays]

When is the deadline in qualification offers

 

Just finished reading this on MLB trade rumors

The Nationals, of course, are among the many clubs facing difficult qualifying offer decisions tomorrow at 4pm CST.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Anyone catch this awful write up on the Jays offseason from fangraphs? I thought Dave Cameron was supposed to be legit:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-top-50-free-agent-predictions/

 

"With a bunch of departures from the pitching staff, Mark Shapiro’s primary task this winter is going to be to add some rotation depth. I expect them to re-sign Marco Estrada for $33 million over three years, then add another quality innings eater in Ian Kennedy, though his ability to miss bats will cost a little more: $42 million over the same three year term. I’d also expect them to bring back Dioner Navarro at $10 million over two years, and then do the rest of their work through trades."

[TheHurl]

Anyone catch this awful write up on the Jays offseason from fangraphs? I thought Dave Cameron was supposed to be legit:

 

You heard wrong. He's pretty much me when I'm around the Fantasy crew of this forum. One of the most vocal...but by far the most stupid.

[venema20]

Cards made qualifying offers to Heyward and Lackey.

 

Heyward was an obvious one, but was hoping Lackey wouldn't get one. Want no part in him if it means giving up a draft pick.

[Terminator]

Anyone catch this awful write up on the Jays offseason from fangraphs? I thought Dave Cameron was supposed to be legit:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-top-50-free-agent-predictions/

 

"With a bunch of departures from the pitching staff, Mark Shapiro’s primary task this winter is going to be to add some rotation depth. I expect them to re-sign Marco Estrada for $33 million over three years, then add another quality innings eater in Ian Kennedy, though his ability to miss bats will cost a little more: $42 million over the same three year term. I’d also expect them to bring back Dioner Navarro at $10 million over two years, and then do the rest of their work through trades."

 

Not a huge Cameron fan but in his defense writing up FA predictions for all 30 is really difficult and an endeavor which he even admits is pretty much worthless as an actual predictive tool.

[King]

Jays qualify offer Estrada

[THANOS]

Jays qualify offer Estrada

 

Great news, 2/2 so far Shapiro.

[Hipfan]

Great news, 2/2 so far Shapiro.

 

Funny, I got bashed mid-season by speculating that he should get a QO. Here's hoping he declines and they get a pick for him.

[baubau]

Jays qualify offer Estrada

 

Good good. Now I fully expect Estrada to reject it. If not, aweeeee shite.

[burlingtonbandit]

So with Anderson, Iwakuma, Kennedy, Lackey, Shark and Gallardo all receiving QO does that change anyone's willingness to sign one of them? Gallardo I wouldn't sign regardless but the other 5 seem to be decent targets.

 

Edit: With all of these pitchers getting QO have to think Estrada will be more likely to sign it since it really screws his market.

[Laika]

So with Anderson, Iwakuma, Kennedy, Lackey, Shark and Gallardo all receiving QO does that change anyone's willingness to sign one of them? Gallardo I wouldn't sign regardless but the other 5 seem to be decent targets.

 

Of course, but it mostly just changed how much $ it is sensible to offer.

[burlingtonbandit]

Of course, but it mostly just changed how much $ it is sensible to offer.

 

True. Whats the estimated value of the 26th pick in the draft these days? If Estrada declines it makes it easier to lose the 26th pick I would think

[Laika]

True. Whats the estimated value of the 26th pick in the draft these days? If Estrada declines it makes it easier to lose the 26th pick I would think

 

I think picks in the back 1/2 of the first round are generally worth around $15M. Could be wrong though.

[glory]

If you're not signing the big dogs and the mid tier guys are unattractive because of the QO, then what's left? Trading is kind of hard to do without a farm system, and the prospects the Jays can trade they probably don't want to. Unless the Padres are willing to do Ross for Sanchez like some posters seem to think.

[burlingtonbandit]

If you're not signing the big dogs and the mid tier guys are unattractive because of the QO, then what's left? Trading is kind of hard to do without a farm system, and the prospects the Jays can trade they probably don't want to. Unless the Padres are willing to do Ross for Sanchez like some posters seem to think.

 

I think there is still lots of value in the mid tier guys. Shark, Iwakuma, Anderson all seem like good targets.

[burlingtonbandit]

So bob mcowon is saying he doesn't believe Payroll will be going up and can possibly be going down a significant amount. McCown isn't the smartest guy when it comes to baseball but still has significant sources inside Rogers.

 

He's also going on a rant calling out Rogers and I have to agree with him. It would be all sorts of stupid to lower payroll right now.

[BTS]

So bob mcowon is saying he doesn't believe Payroll will be going up and can possibly be going down a significant amount. McCown isn't the smartest guy when it comes to baseball but still has significant sources inside Rogers.

 

We already knew payroll wouldn't be going up.

[burlingtonbandit]

We already knew payroll wouldn't be going up.

 

No we didn't? We heard it could be around the same, but they haven't decided on the final figure yet apparently.

[BTS]

No we didn't? We heard it could be around the same, but they haven't decided on the final figure yet apparently.

 

The same guy who broke the news of AA leaving has said it will be capped at ~140.

[baubau]

I knew 110% that the Cards would qualify Heyward, but F them still. They're costing us a pick.

 

// dreaming of singing Heyward //

[L54]

Signing a guy like Heyward doesn't hinge on whether you have to give up your 2016 pick or not.

[Spanky__99]

Anyone catch this awful write up on the Jays offseason from fangraphs? I thought Dave Cameron was supposed to be legit:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-top-50-free-agent-predictions/

 

"With a bunch of departures from the pitching staff, Mark Shapiro’s primary task this winter is going to be to add some rotation depth. I expect them to re-sign Marco Estrada for $33 million over three years, then add another quality innings eater in Ian Kennedy, though his ability to miss bats will cost a little more: $42 million over the same three year term. I’d also expect them to bring back Dioner Navarro at $10 million over two years, and then do the rest of their work through trades."

 

Dave Cameron is puss.

[Spanky__99]

I think we will make a trade for a pitcher nobody is talking about (like the Donaldson trade).

 

OAK Sonny Gray

STL Lance Lynn

ARI Patrick Corbin

ARI Randall Delgado

ATL Julio Teheran

 

3 of them are easily attainable, this isn't world breaking, sorry.

[GD]

I think we will make a trade for a pitcher nobody is talking about (like the Donaldson trade).

 

OAK Sonny Gray

STL Lance Lynn

ARI Patrick Corbin

ARI Randall Delgado

ATL Julio Teheran

 

Randall Delgado is a great option.

[Nafro]

3 of them are easily attainable, this isn't world breaking, sorry.

 

Okay I'll bite...which 3 are easily attainable?

[burlingtonbandit]

Patrick Corbin would be a great pick up.

[Nafro]

The same guy who broke the news of AA leaving has said it will be capped at ~140.

 

Are you sure about that. Shi Davidi broke AA's departure. Rick Westhead or some s*** reported 140 million. Shi Davidi broke news that was imminent and occuring that day. Rick Westhead threw a number out there.