Offseason Roster Thread

[burlingtonbandit]

A 31-year old HOF talent averaging 98 games a year over the last 4 years, coming off a 100 wRC+ season, and projected at 3.5 wins.

 

Yes. He would get over 100 Million in FA. Have to remember in 2014 he had a 170wRC+ as well. 170!!

 

I'm willing to bet $50 that Tulo puts up over 4 WAR if he plays with the blue jays next year.

[Frenchsoup]

A 31-year old HOF talent averaging 98 games a year over the last 4 years, coming off a 100 wRC+ season, and projected at 3.5 wins.

 

Do the projections know Tulo had a cracked shoulder and was coming off hip surgery? Tulo's last 2 years he's had 909 PA's and put up 7.6 WAR. The man is a god when he's on the field.

[BTS]

Yes. He would get over 100 Million in FA. Have to remember in 2014 he had a 170wRC+ as well. 170!!

 

I'm willing to bet $50 that Tulo puts up over 4 WAR if he plays with the blue jays next year.

 

I think he gets over $100M, but not by much. And certainly not by enough to think he has big trade value.

 

As for him putting up 4+ wins, nobody knows what caused his issues this year. Is his body just falling apart? Colorado seems to think so.

[Frenchsoup]

I think he gets over $100, but not by much. And certainly not by enough to think he has big trade value.

 

As for him putting up 4+ wins, nobody knows what caused his issues this year. Is his body just falling apart? Colorado seems to think so.

 

Colorado also thinks Reyes isn't dead money. Who gives a f*** what Colorado thinks, there not smart.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think he gets over $100M, but not by much. And certainly not by enough to think he has big trade value.

 

As for him putting up 4+ wins, nobody knows what caused his issues this year. Is his body just falling apart? Colorado seems to think so.

 

I would think he gets at least 6/130. I think you are underestimating the FA market. So you aren't going to take that bet?

[BTS]

Colorado also thinks Reyes isn't dead money. Who gives a f*** what Colorado thinks, there not smart.

 

Do they?

 

And when it comes to the health prospectus of a player who just spent a decade+ in their org, and who was moved as a salary dump despite apparent 5-win upside, I value what they think more than just about anyone else.

[BTS]

I would think he gets at least 6/130. I think you are underestimating the FA market. So you aren't going to take that bet?

 

No. I have no idea what he's going to do, or what shape is body is in and anyone pretending to be confident on either side is fooling themselves. I'm just saying that there are reasons for concern that seem to have depressed his value once already.

[L54]

The BJ fanboyism is strong ITT

[burlingtonbandit]

Colorado probably doesn't even know what WAR is. They barely use analytics according to ESPN.

[burlingtonbandit]

No. I have no idea what he's going to do, or what shape is body is in and anyone pretending to be confident on either side is fooling themselves. I'm just saying that there are reasons for concern that seem to have depressed his value once already.

 

Well sure no one knows, that is why it is called a bet lol. I just think he's better than a 4 WAR player which would also change his contract evaluation.

[Frenchsoup]

Do they?

 

And when it comes to the health prospectus of a player who just spent a decade+ in their org, and who was moved as a salary dump despite apparent 5-win upside, I value what they think more than just about anyone else.

 

They were trying to increase his trade value by thinking that Coors Field is a much greater hitters park then RC. That should tell you quite a bit about there front office.

[L54]

Giolito and Turner could lazily be compared to Syndergaard and d'Arnaud.

[GreekFatAss]

What do you all think is realistic value we could expect to get from trading Jose or Edwin?

 

I am not sure of a good comparable in recent history other than maybe the Heyward trade.

[L54]

I think you could get a top 100 prospect and a high upside lower level guy for either of them.

[Governator]

What do you all think is realistic value we could expect to get from trading Jose or Edwin?

 

I am not sure of a good comparable in recent history other than maybe the Heyward trade.

 

While the ROI is very good, both players would veto any trade that's not to a contender, not to mention EE would only have value to an AL team greatly reducing the upper hand in trade talks. I have no idea.

[Terminator]

What do you all think is realistic value we could expect to get from trading Jose or Edwin?

 

I am not sure of a good comparable in recent history other than maybe the Heyward trade.

 

I'm not sure but it would be pretty bad philosophy for World Series contenders in win-now mode to deal very good big league players for minor leaguers.

[Trouba95]

I'm not sure but it would be pretty bad philosophy for World Series contenders in win-now mode to deal very good big league players for minor leaguers.

 

Rather have them walk and pick up draft picks than a stud? We can win without one of them.

[L54]

Rather have them walk and pick up draft picks than a stud? We can win without one of them.

 

It's really not the worst scenario.

[RealAccountant]

Jays should retain both and go for it in 2016. Try to win a championship.

[Terminator]

Rather have them walk and pick up draft picks than a stud? We can win without one of them.

 

Subtracting a 4 win player from the team and adding prospects isn't going to help us.

 

To answer your question, yes, risking them walking and getting picks after they provide us 8 WAR in 2016 isn't the end of the world.

Edited November 3, 2015 by Terminator

[Laika]

What do you all think is realistic value we could expect to get from trading Jose or Edwin?

 

I am not sure of a good comparable in recent history other than maybe the Heyward trade.

 

2014/2015:

 

Justin Upton trade

Ben Zobrist trade

Jeff Samardzija trade

Heyward

Cespedes trade

____

 

nobody in 2013/2014 offseason

____

2012/2013:

 

Dickey trade

Choo trade

 

Not all of these are directly comparable but they were all big name players with one year of control getting traded in the offseason. Obviously, every specific big name player trade with be individual and based on the market at that current time.

[GD]

Manaea + Brooks was quite the haul for half a season of Zobrist

Miller was a probably best case scenario for our situation

Cespedes was meh

Dickey is unreasonably stupid

Choo is reasonable

[Boxcar]

Manaea + Brooks was quite the haul for half a season of Zobrist

Miller was a probably best case scenario for our situation

Cespedes was meh

Dickey is unreasonably stupid

Choo is reasonable

 

People didn't think the Dickey trade was bad initially.

[burlingtonbandit]

Listening to Lacava's interview it doesn't sound like EE or Bautista would be moved.

[burlingtonbandit]

People didn't think the Dickey trade was bad initially.

 

Yeah they did? People cringed lol

[Captain Adama]

People didn't think the Dickey trade was bad initially.

 

A lot of people here did.

[Boxcar]

A lot of people here did.

 

Sure, but no major media outlet thought so

[Laika]

People didn't think the Dickey trade was bad initially.

 

Which people? We were all sitting here patiently waiting for the JPA + Sean Nolin announcement. MAYBE if the Mets were lucky, JPA + Sanchez.

[TheHurl]

Which people? We were all sitting here patiently waiting for the JPA + Sean Nolin announcement. MAYBE if the Mets were lucky, JPA + Sanchez.

 

I can't remember which rumour hit first was it Synder or TdA...but people started freaking out at just one being dealt.

[Captain Adama]

I can't remember which rumour hit first was it Synder or TdA...but people started freaking out at just one being dealt.

 

People were pissed at d'Arnaud in the deal first. Then Syndergaard broke, darkest moments ever.